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DanielRavenNest Noe
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04-29-2009 08:22
From: Thorn Witrial I can't find it. What is the title? Cyberporn to be easier to find on Second Life Stories first are submitted by readers, and are listed in the "firehose" section. The slashdot editors then select some stories to be posted to their main page. Voting for a story makes that more likely.
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04-29-2009 08:22
From: Couldbe Yue /me blinks in disbelief..
What is it about LL that they have an absolute abhorrence of the concept of privacy?? You can already read that information using llSensor(), all this does is extend that to the edge of the mini map... and maybe people will feel less need to run sensors.
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04-29-2009 08:22
From: DanielRavenNest Noe Submissive is, submission is not  Oops, now I used a dirty word, time to go wash my mouth. Here is the story entry by the way: ........jokingly referred to as Pornadelphia I want royalties, Goddamnit. How do I go about trademarking, Pornsylvania and Pornodelphia?
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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04-29-2009 08:24
From: Ann Otoole Got a url that actually goes to the story? Try this: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=4332283&art_pos=3
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Thorn Witrial
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04-29-2009 08:25
From: DanielRavenNest Noe Cyberporn to be easier to find on Second Life
Stories first are submitted by readers, and are listed in the "firehose" section. The slashdot editors then select some stories to be posted to their main page. Voting for a story makes that more likely. Voted.
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Kara Spengler
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04-29-2009 08:25
I was just reading a disability thread (on a site ran by the BBC) my partner has been talking on. Anyways, the thread wandered to talking about the slang 'tits up' and she mentioned our bird maker in a post. Seems she was reading this forum when I left my computer on.  So, yeah, LL has a serious problem with a word filter. Tits is a good example: a 'naughty' word in one english speaking country, common slang in another, the last name of a mathematician in a non-english-speaking country, and also used for something in the english language that has nothing to do with any of them!
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04-29-2009 08:25
From: Sindy Tsure Fine. How about a sex bed in the back yard of my not-in-search parcel? That would depend on whether you got an understanding G-Team Linden or not. 
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04-29-2009 08:27
From: DanielRavenNest Noe Slashdot, a popular techie website, has a story submission about SL Adult content (posted at 9:57am today) vote for it here (+ button) to encourage it to be posted to their main page: http://slashdot.org/firehose.plOh, great, why not solicit support from 4chan next?
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Couldbe Yue
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04-29-2009 08:27
From: Skatoulaki Nakamori I thought the same at first...but then thinking about it more, it is (at least now) just the minimap...and technically, you could just walk (or cam) over to where the dots are and see who they are. Now...if this were on the BIG MAP...then I'd think that would be a serious breach of privacy... it is a breach.. this removes an obstacle to anyone searching for you. It's a bit like the online indicator - you can tick all the boxes you like to try to get some peace and privacy but people can still find out if you're online through inworld developed items. That's no reason to take the indicators away. If I'm working in my workroom I certainly don't want anyone coming up and disturbing my peace - even if it is by being notified by the security system that they've been turfed because they've come too close. but let me guess, this is what we've all been clamouring for.
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Sindy Tsure
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04-29-2009 08:30
From: Argent Stonecutter That would depend on whether you got an understanding G-Team Linden or not.  The point is that although businesses (places that advertise.. "venues", to use Blondin's word) are being forced to move, anybody 'adult' can go buy something on ursula and bring it back to their mature mainland home. Unless personal/non-venue property is also forced to move or they change the rules on what you can do on your personal mature-region property, the mainland isn't getting cleaned up. This is why I'm asking Blondin to please restate the goals of this project. Age verification is a crock if they allow prepaid CC users onto ursula and the mainland's not getting cleaned up, except for us high-tier-paying business owners.. So.. What's the point of all this again? Really. I'm actually asking.. (edit: except search.. search is getting cleaned up.. not sure I see why that requires a new continent, though)
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Innula Zenovka
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04-29-2009 08:31
Thank you so much for doing this, Couldbe.. it's really clear and helpful. May I just check one point, though, which raised my eyebrows slightly? I'm sure you're right and I just haven't noticed it, but if it's the case, it's going to cause even more chaos than we feared. You distinguish between Aristotle's age verification and LL's account verification. You then go on to say that, From: someone You will be able to access all adult content but will not be able to access any land that has an age verification requirement set by the land holder. Am I right in thinking that, unless the landowner has some particular reason for wanting to turn on *Age Verification* there's no need to, so long as the land has been flagged as *Adult*? This distinction seems to me very important, because I'd thought the two forms of verification were, for practical purposes, equivalent. We're going to have chaos if landowners turn on *Age Verification* for no good reason and thus, inadvertantly shut out all us *Account Verified* non-USians who have problems with Aristotle and who thought our *Account Verified* status was a solution to them.
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Skatoulaki Nakamori
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04-29-2009 08:40
From: Ceera Murakami By being on a private Estate. It's still apparently going to be possible for private sims to have an Adult-rated region adjacent to a Mature or even PG-rated region. < sarcasm >Niiiiccceeee...that's smart! < / sarcasm >Before Hard Alley moved to a private island, it was in Yulmu and my parcel was directly on an adjacent border in Yeot (which I intentionally bought BECAUSE it was right next door to Hard Alley  ) and when people shouted over there, I heard them in my house. It didn't bother me because of the parenthetical in the previous sentence (and I used to shout back anyway and jokingly tell them to keep the noise down)...but I mentioned it to Hard Rust who said that shouts should not carry over sim borders [Disclaimer: if there was a setting for this, I'm sure he had it set being as he's been in-world long enough to know how...me, I'm still fairly new, especially at land ownership, so I have no clue if this is an estate/region/sim setting or not so any mistakes in terminology or SL processes here are totally my fault.]
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Ilana Debevec
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04-29-2009 08:41
From: Valerius Constantine As long as they didn't advertise any of the sexually oriented items, I think that's what he was saying.
^V^ BDSM, Submissive, Dominatrix, Domme.... how to you have a BDSM store without those terms??
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04-29-2009 08:44
From: DanielRavenNest Noe Slashdot, a popular techie website, has a story submission about SL Adult content (posted at 9:57am today) vote for it here (+ button) to encourage it to be posted to their main page: http://slashdot.org/firehose.plDone 
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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04-29-2009 08:45
From: Argent Stonecutter Oh, great, why not solicit support from 4chan next? If I understood that website and though it would do some good, I would. The story's main link is to the Blog post about adult content changes. Since Linden Labs released a press release, I would assume they are OK with the information getting to news sites. Slashdot readers have two relevant interests (not exclusively, but among others), adult content and censorship. This story puts a positive spin on the first category. It could have been written the other way "Second Life Censors Porn". Either way, as previous news stories about SL have shown, any publicity is good publicity. Do you have a problem attracting new players looking for adult content?
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-29-2009 08:46
From: Sindy Tsure Unless personal/non-venue property is also forced to move or they change the rules on what you can do on your personal mature-region property, the mainland isn't getting cleaned up.
Just because they're not offering all takers a free swap, that doesn't mean the people they turn down (or don't ask) are going to be safe. 
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Skatoulaki Nakamori
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04-29-2009 08:46
From: DanielRavenNest Noe Submissive is, submission is not  Oops, now I used a dirty word, time to go wash my mouth. /me passes you a *****-shaped soap-on-a-rope:: (Fill in the "blank" LOL)
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Lord Sullivan
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04-29-2009 08:48
From: janeforyou Barbara I got 6 private owned Island i put together, one island are a mall, this mall are "mature" rated now, when the new rules for adult rating hits in i will need to move all "adult" shops over to one of my other Islands and set it adult, the rest of the islands i want to set mature as i dont deal with PG stuff other then fashion and that can go any place.
But the Agult stuff need to move over to the adult, as i did understand LL i can do this, if thay change that i need to ask all adult shops in my huge mall to leave, the mall are the main income i got to support my tiers, LL told me thay want to " Help me get a better bisiness" So i will follow up on it and if i dont get a "better business" and need to sell some Islands then LL do not do what thay promice me. I agree jane LL needs to make this clear for you and countless other Estate owners.
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-29-2009 08:48
From: DanielRavenNest Noe Slashdot readers have two interests (not exclusively, but among others), adult content and censorship. This story puts a positive spin on the first category. It could have been written the other way "Second Life Censors Porn".
Slashdot readers also tend to think that Second Life users are little more than sorry spods deserving of ridicule.
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Blondin Linden
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04-29-2009 08:48
From: Brenda Connolly As in actually working on it, and not "looking into" it? As in ACTUALLY working on it.
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Sindy Tsure
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04-29-2009 08:49
From: Argent Stonecutter Just because they're not offering all takers a free swap, that doesn't mean the people they turn down (or don't ask) are going to be safe.  So.. You're agreeing that they're not really cleaning up the mainland in any significant way?
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Couldbe Yue
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04-29-2009 08:50
From: Innula Zenovka Thank you so much for doing this, Couldbe.. it's really clear and helpful. May I just check one point, though, which raised my eyebrows slightly? I'm sure you're right and I just haven't noticed it, but if it's the case, it's going to cause even more chaos than we feared. You distinguish between Aristotle's age verification and LL's account verification. You then go on to say that, Am I right in thinking that, unless the landowner has some particular reason for wanting to turn on *Age Verification* there's no need to, so long as the land has been flagged as *Adult*? This distinction seems to me very important, because I'd thought the two forms of verification were, for practical purposes, equivalent. We're going to have chaos if landowners turn on *Age Verification* for no good reason and thus, inadvertantly shut out all us *Account Verified* non-USians who have problems with Aristotle and who thought our *Account Verified* status was a solution to them. from my understanding of how it is currently used by parcel owners and the way the terms have been used by LL (exclude the last reference by Blondin where he lumped them all together - I think that's a slip of the tongue myself) Aristotle is the closest thing to confirming that you're an adult that there is. Account verification just confirms you have a payment mechanism and anyone of any age can get that in some parts of the world. Currently there are landowners who use age verification as a means to protect themselves from accusations that they allow those non existent minors who already frequent the grid to access their content. So the facility will be available on the new continent for parcel owners to do the same. I'm assuming here only the uber cautious or those with extreme content will consider doing it as those who can access their land have already been been through a verification process just to get to ursula. It's splitting hairs and back covering. Since anyone can verify using anyone's information. A smart 13 year old will take around 10 minutes to get the personal details of someone from the web to enter it and verify. In a way the smart kids will probably do that rather than risking using mums credit card. Does that make sense? It really is a fine distinction and one we shouldn't have to make - except I suspect LL realised that if they told everyone they needed to age verify then there would be serious issues (only something like 10% are verified I think) so adding account verification (which proves nothing about age) enables them to make ursula a more attractive and viable option for the moment. edited to add: and I've changed the blog post to try to clarify it a bit more.. one more edit: the term for this is disingenuous
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Ilana Debevec
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04-29-2009 08:50
From: Ann Otoole Can you prove any of that has taken place? An injunction would be to PREVENT it from happening.
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-29-2009 08:52
From: Sindy Tsure So.. You're agreeing that they're not really cleaning up the mainland in any significant way? That remains to be seen. For all I know they'll go on some kind of mad mad mad G-Team rampage after the deadline, or N- K- and her friends will start a vigilante AR campaign targeting sex-beds, cocktowers, variegated tits, and people who can't spell moccasins.
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