Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Hmmm ... seems like LL missed something there then. So someone could own two sims and make one of them adult and put another right next to it and make it PG and then the PG people (lets just say ... the kids from the teen grid that will be coming over maybe) can go to the PG sim and stand on the border and watch all the "Adult" play. That's something I never thought about before.

I can't imagine most Private sim owners doing that, but it does seem possible. I do know people who currently have a Mature sim that is adjacent to a sim that they intend to flag as Adult. Those sim owners are concerned that they may be required to move the Adult sim so it is no longer contiguous with the Mature one, yet there has been no promise from LL to move such sims for free.

*sigh* When will LL learn the meaning of 'equal access'?

True. It could be someone who features your products including the slurl(s). Kind of "fan-site", or something like that. LL cannot react on this. Especially not if it would be a third party website, because then even a whois check would not deliver your rl-name as owner. I think on all these fashion-sites wich are hype/listing hundreds of featured designers, including slurl(s).

Every biz and adult biz in game can do that too. Listings, made in blogger, or in any other blog or usual website form, featuring one or more creators, nice designed and "anonymous" made, with pictures, descriptions, slurls. Anyway and however, to use the web as additional and creative platform to point on ingame locations is ever a good idea.

By the way: thanks for the tipp about the 1.23 viewer some posts ago

Sorry Kalderi i had a breakfast meeting and was late to bed so my brain was not functioning fully at the time of the post and i am doing a crash course on wiki and how it works as well working on a new project and maintaining our normal website lol and i did assume thats what you said so apologies are given as i am not prone to assumptions

I wouldn't pop the champagne for SL Casinos just yet in any event. That bill will probably get pushed through because the Government has bankrupted it self for the next 50 years and isn't done stimulating our packages. So if online gambling is allowed, they will want a big piece of the action. It will be regulated up the YingYang. I highly doubt small operators will be able to get through all the hoops necessary to get the OK. The big corprorate concerns will be in this game. Their Casinos are drying up so they are finally letting the politicians push this through.

Just as banks weren't banned in SL, LL just put in place a system of certifying them; have any taken them up on that by the way?, I'm sure LL will have to do the same before letting gambling back in. Is Joe the Sploder King going to go through the certification process, which I imagine will include paying Uncle Sam his cut, no matter where you live?

This is a convenient time to be happening, quite fortuitous for LL. They will have another group of corprorate parasites to pimp SL to.

Exactly....which is why LL wants all us *smut peddlers* shipped out to CynSinSmut City and shoved under a blanket....

Cause someone in the infinite wisdom of zoning, way back in the day, put MATURE & PG sims side by side on the mainland. <sarcasm> That was a brilliant move from the beginning </sarcasm>

So... they are stripping the mainland, to correct their OWN mistakes at the cost of OUR time, money, businesses, homes, expense, peace of mind and basic overall confidence in SL...cause some DUMBASS didn't think any further than the end of his own nose way back when.
If it had been done right from the start... would have one continent of PG land.. and a mirrored continent of Mature land... and that would have been it. but oh noes.....they screwed it up, we made the best of it... now we pay for THEIR mistakes.

~Brie

Thank you for explaining it in easy terms for my tired old brain. Well its win/win then for LL and screw you shop owner.

That is no problem, you can have 3 private islands together, one PG, one mature,one adult.Users can not go in to a adult Island if thay dont pay info/ageverification, i gues that wil not be the case in mainland cuz if you got a mainland adult sim you need to move.

I had considered filing in regards to breach of contract, Erinyse, at least as it regards my own land (since I bought Mature with the understanding I could do as I pleased there). [EDIT: If I do file, it will be up to my Boss whether or not he wants in on this suit - I can't speak for what he will do regarding ROMA legally. Only for my own property.]

I don't think a suit brought under loss of business or discrimination would fly so well. And you'd have to document the alleged unfair business practices in detail, as well as why you believe they are unfair/costing you custom/discriminating against you (and cite multiple documented examples). A difficult case to prove. Breach of contract is simple: they (LL) sold us one product, under certain terms - now they are saying (*after* we have paid) that that is not what we bought and the terms no longer apply, but that they will give us (certain of us, not everyone, only those they think qualify) a "similar" product. The problem with this "similar product" is that it really isn't similar at all. It has a more restrictive contract, which does not allow for my current use of the product to be maintained. *AFTER* I have already paid for that use under the original terms.

I will be talking to my lawyers later this week and see what they think in regards to a class-action breach of contract suit. Wish me luck.

Maybe it's just my awful memory, but I recall somewhere a Linden (possibly Blondin) said that Adult private sims would be moved to be not connected to PG and Mature sims. Does anyone else remember that? It was quite a while ago....

I thought this too, but was unable to track down a solid reference for that offer.

Fine. How about a sex bed in the back yard of my not-in-search parcel?

And there's the discrimination suit right there- if a deaf person says "I didn't get the same documentation as everyone else, and it caused me to suffer some sort of harm"
then LL is screwed.

^V^

I must admit i thought that Adult private sims could not be next to an non adult sim and no i am not going back over all the posts but i do not think you are correct because if they allow this then i will purchase 2 islands tonight one adult and one mature and have them next to each other.

Blondin can you clarify this again please and thanks.

What about anyone non-english speaking that gets blindsided with AR's and/or business shutdowns due to LL not making this public knowledge, or translating it for the benefit of all the foreign customers?

~Brie

I'm no lawyer but have dealt with corporate lawyers a fair bit over the years and I think you may well be right.

LL will almost certainly begin by arguing that we dont have a contract, but that wont fly because all that is required to create a contract is the exchange of some "valuable consideration" - in this case our payment of tier fees - for goods or services. So, we DO have a contract with LL.

That being the case, LL will say the TOS are the terms of the contract and those terms allow them to unilaterally change them. However, they've already lost one case on that argument, on the (way oversimplified) grounds that its too unequal a condition.

Those of us that are making significant RL cash out of our SL businesses (wish I was amongst 'em) would have an even stronger argument because the potential damage to their business could easily amount to what I believe is called "tortious interference"

There is one thing that LL cant be certain of which has to be giving their lawyers hives... They dont know what we do outside SL. All it would take is one or two lawyers who also have SL businesses impacted by this (and as we've all seen, doesnt have to be an adult business for that impact to occur) and they could be in a real world of hurt. Thats why there was a corp lawyer at the brownbags - talking with the other Lindens in IM no doubt and making sure nobody said anything that might be damaging if/when those lawsuits land.

Slashdot, a popular techie website, has a story submission about SL Adult content (posted at 9:57am today) vote for it here (+ button) to encourage it to be posted to their main page:

http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl

And I wonder what the corporate lawyers said about linking to the sound recordings of the brown bags and then releasing edited transcripts of the same?

^V^

Please reword your post. "Submission" is a forbidden word.

Regards,

Propaganda Linden

I thought the same at first...but then thinking about it more, it is (at least now) just the minimap...and technically, you could just walk (or cam) over to where the dots are and see who they are. Now...if this were on the BIG MAP...then I'd think that would be a serious breach of privacy...

I can't find it. What is the title?

Submissive is, submission is not Oops, now I used a dirty word, time to go wash my mouth.

Here is the story entry by the way:

Cyberporn to be easier to find on Second Life

"Second Life has plans to separate adult content both geographically and in its internal search engine starting with the 1.23 client software. There will be a new mainland continent on their grid, presently unnamed but jokingly referred to as Pornadelphia, which will be strictly adult map regions. Their search will also include ratings flags and filters to allow search by ratings level (PG, Mature, or Adult). More Detailed summary is here."

Got a url that actually goes to the story?

I got 6 private owned Island i put together, one island are a mall, this mall are "mature" rated now, when the new rules for adult rating hits in i will need to move all "adult" shops over to one of my other Islands and set it adult, the rest of the islands i want to set mature as i dont deal with PG stuff other then fashion and that can go any place.

But the Agult stuff need to move over to the adult, as i did understand LL i can do this, if thay change that i need to ask all adult shops in my huge mall to leave, the mall are the main income i got to support my tiers, LL told me thay want to " Help me get a better bisiness" So i will follow up on it and if i dont get a "better business" and need to sell some Islands then LL do not do what thay promice me.