Ability to Filter out PG rated content
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Boy Lane
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04-28-2009 20:21
I just commented on Jira http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-12977. This looks like going down the same drain as the Openspaces/Homesteads. Nonsense answer from some marketing (?) Linden with no clue what he/she is writing, no Linden assigned to the issue still. Raised priority to critical although I think this is a showstopper for a 1.23 viewer to come. Please vote!
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Sindy Tsure
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04-28-2009 20:29
We're sorry. Good ideas are no longer being accepted.
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Winter Ventura
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04-28-2009 21:05
Personally, I think this is the stupidest idea I have heard in a year.
When I use Google, I get the option to turn "Safe Search" on, or off. By disabling safe-search, I am telling the search engine "please do not filter my results". Google weights returned results by a calculation to determine relevance.
Searching for "Cheesecake" with safesearch disabled, DOESN'T return an overwhelming torrential downpour of cheesecake pornography.
In SL, I want my search results unfiltered. I don't want to think about whether I should be searching for adult or pg when I type in "bed" or "furniture". I want an option that returns ALL results, with some kind of weighting according to relevance, popularity, traffic, teleports, or whatever metric SL prefers to use.
I will choose "unfiltered" every time, because I will oscilate between adult and non-adult interests at the drop of a hat. I think that most people will also choose "show unfiltered results". That is the only way that businesses, forced to relocate to adult land, will survive.
The idea of shuttering out pg results, when adult search is enabled.. means that a person must CHOOSE a search to do. Meaning that the lazy will leave it on whichever gets them the most results for most things. How many adult "hair" stores do you expect there to be? how many adult "pet shops".. how many adult "landscaping" adult "houses"...
I want "filter out adult content: yes/no" and nothing more. Because anything else will destroy the ability for businesses with mixed content to survive.
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Boy Lane
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04-28-2009 21:16
From: Winter Ventura Personally, I think this is the stupidest idea I have heard in a year. There are tons of very good reasons explained in Jira. A simple example is to TP into a PG sim by mistake and being ARed or banned for it. It's not the rules the users made but LL did and logic does not always apply here 
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Winter Ventura
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04-28-2009 21:18
From: Boy Lane There are tons of very good reasons explained in Jira. A simple example is to TP into a PG sim by mistake and being ARed or banned for it. It's not the rules the users made but LL did and logic does not always apply here  Blocking teleports based on "avatar rating" is different than "filtering content in search". There's quite a bit of coding that would have to take place to keep an avatar with a "mature rated profile" from being permitted to "accidentally teleport" to a PG area. That's another issue entirely, unrelated to the "filter search results" issue.
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Tabliopa Underwood
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04-28-2009 21:20
I like. Voted.
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Boy Lane
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04-28-2009 21:25
From: Winter Ventura Blocking teleports based on "avatar rating" is different than "filtering content in search". How do you find the sim in the first place? Perhaps as someone suggested in SLU ( http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/671144-post8.html) I searched for "hair" and was looking for sex/orgy/bukkake by doing so and suddenly I end up in the midst of teenagers who run bunneh competitions? Extreme example, yes, but this is a very real threat.
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Winter Ventura
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04-28-2009 21:28
From: Boy Lane How do you find the sim in the first place? Perhaps as someone suggested in SLU ( http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/671144-post8.html) I searched for "hair" and was looking for sex/orgy/bukkake by doing so and suddenly I end up in the midst of teenagers who run bunneh competitions? Extreme example, yes, but this is a very real threat. You have a disturbingly skewed concept of what constitutes a "threat". Maybe if you were to look at the rating of the destination, before choosing to teleport, you might have avoided this situation. Maybe if you refined your search and used a more relevant search term for what you were looking for (duh, "hair" is gonna get you a lot of hair stores). Or maybe you just could have made your avatar more "travel appropriate" before going shopping... just a thought there. Think for a second how this kind of totalitarian segregation might affect businesses with BOTH kinds of content, forced by LL to relocate to Adult land.
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Boy Lane
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04-28-2009 21:35
From: Winter Ventura Maybe if you were to look at the rating of the destination, before choosing to teleport And that is exactly the point. I want to be able to filter out PG ratings to *NOT* find them in search and by mistake/lazyness/whatever TP there.
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Angel Leviathan
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04-28-2009 21:38
From: Boy Lane And that is exactly the point. I want to be able to filter out PG ratings to *NOT* find them in search and by mistake/lazyness/whatever TP there. Are you in some way offended by PG locations or do you generally teleport around the grid in some offensive manner?
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Tabliopa Underwood
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04-28-2009 21:39
From: Boy Lane And that is exactly the point. I want to be able to filter out PG ratings to *NOT* find them in search and by mistake/lazyness/whatever TP there. I agree. The more ways we can filter our own searches the better.
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Boy Lane
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04-28-2009 21:42
From: Angel Leviathan Are you in some way offended by PG locations or do you generally teleport around the grid in some offensive manner? That's not really the issue here, please read the Jira for better explanations. You might just be in a Adult sim, in an "offensive" outfit. And you decide to TP somewhere else and suddenly you end up in a PG area in that "offensive" outfit. And you may get ARed and banned for that "mistake". All that could have been easily avoided if there would be a filter for PG.
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Brenda Archer
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04-28-2009 21:51
Voted. Thank you, Boy. For me there are a number of serious problems with inadvertently wandering into PG without realizing it. - I don't want to come into contact with minors in SL. - I don't want to be AR'd for having an inappropriate costume or tag on when I inadvertently wind up in a PG sim. This isn't totally farfetched because the PG and Mature mainland sims continue to be a patchwork, which makes no sense when cameras are not tethered and walls don't rez. - I really, really don't want minors to see into my house. I'll be on an adult private sim. - I'm Gorean. I can be dressed modestly enough to pass legal muster in Riyadh and I *still* will be considered by LL to be "adult content." What's up with that? The Gorean roleplayers and lifestylers in SL are a major subculture and no doubt a serious source of income to LL. Are we being thrown under the bus? - The slippery slope. So now I have to conceal that I'm a Gorean when in PG. I also founded a bisexual support group. Will I some day have to hide that too? Everybody assures me LL is queer-friendly, and my experience certainly matches up to that. But censorship in an over-18 world cannot ever be anything other than a risk of a slippery slope, especially if enforcers are not fully trained. - I don't want to give up the free-ranging artistic creativity I have enjoyed in SL up until now, which because it is not censored, is all going to have to move to Adult. - I *refuse* to become a test case for the new rules and will always try to move to the center of any new ruleset until it becomes intolerable, then I leave. Being able to filter out, and avoid without preparation, going to PG saves me from hassle on all these issues. It allows me to continue to structure a life in SL that is bounded by the same expectations I have had until now.
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Angel Leviathan
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04-28-2009 21:51
From: Boy Lane That's not really the issue here, please read the Jira for better explanations.
You might just be in a Adult sim, in an "offensive" outfit. And you decide to TP somewhere else and suddenly you end up in a PG area in that "offensive" outfit. And you may get ARed and banned for that "mistake". All that could have been easily avoided if there would be a filter for PG. Have you considered just putting on your big boy clothes before you go shopping?
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Boy Lane
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04-28-2009 22:01
From: Angel Leviathan Have you considered just putting on your big boy clothes before you go shopping? Who said I want to go shopping? I was searching for hair in an desperate attempt to find the latest coolest sex/orgy/bukkake place  You should read the thread before posting  . No offense....
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Cal Kondo
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04-28-2009 22:05
I just don't get why this would be used. You are either searching for adult stuff or not. Say I wanted... a nipple clamp. Well, that's only going to be in adult search no PG places are going to be selling those. There is no way I'll end up in a PG place.
Say I wanted... a songbird. Well, I'll probably find those in PG places and unless I insist on shopping naked or something I'll go to the PG place and get my songbird.
Do you really want to just find songbirds (for example) that are sold on adult parcels? It just seems that in reality no one would use this feature.
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Brenda Archer
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04-28-2009 22:16
The songbird isn't adult content. But *I* am, unless I revise my costume, groups that are visible, and profile, just to go buy a songbird. And it's not because I'm immodest either. The generic setting for women in my subculture is extreme modesty. What an enormous hassle! I don't think there will be any shortage of PG-ish items for sale in otherwise Adult marketplaces. Nobody enjoys a well-built, RL-themed PG sim more than I do, especially if it's designed for learning. But that's only according to the PG definitions we've had so far. The new definition sounds so sterilized I won't be able to just pop in from my normal haunts to go to some lecture or exhibit, I'd have to prepare. I'm unlikely to do that for mere everyday shopping.
Up until now I'd pop off my veil and show up anywhere in a long gown, nobody cares about my tag or groups. Will it still be so easy?
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Cito Karu
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04-28-2009 22:27
I know i hate seeing I guess the corporate adult spam next to residential areas like huge banners with pornographic images on them rotating tons of them all next to a great residential area etc. So when it comes to those I'm glad those will be gone and won't have to see them.
I do support an opt-in system for adult content, but I do agree with the problems that people have brought up.
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Tabliopa Underwood
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04-28-2009 22:29
From: Cal Kondo I just don't get why this would be used. You are either searching for adult stuff or not. Say I wanted... a nipple clamp. Well, that's only going to be in adult search no PG places are going to be selling those. There is no way I'll end up in a PG place.
Say I wanted... a songbird. Well, I'll probably find those in PG places and unless I insist on shopping naked or something I'll go to the PG place and get my songbird.
Do you really want to just find songbirds (for example) that are sold on adult parcels? It just seems that in reality no one would use this feature. In the example Boy gave it works really well. Im all dressed up in my latest fabulous Adult-rated outfit and the hair just doesnt work. So I goto Search enter HAIR, exclude all PG hair salons from my search, and off I go shopping. When I shop for accessories and stuff, then Im wearing the outfit that I want to accessorise, and I think this is true of many other shoppers as well. Is a good thing to be able to filter my searches in this way and enhances my shopping experience.
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Cal Kondo
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04-28-2009 22:30
I would agree that the new PG definitions are far to restrictive and LL have said they will revise them to be no change from now. So if it's not been a problem worth a JIRA before I don't see why it should become one.
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Cal Kondo
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04-28-2009 22:41
From: Tabliopa Underwood In the example Boy gave it works really well. Im all dressed up in my latest fabulous Adult-rated outfit and the hair just doesnt work. So I goto Search enter HAIR, exclude all PG hair salons from my search, and off I go shopping.
When I shop for accessories and stuff, then Im wearing the outfit that I want to accessorise, and I think this is true of many other shoppers as well. Is a good thing to be able to filter my searches in this way and enhances my shopping experience. I suppose, but hair is a PG item (on the head anyway) and you'r back to wanting to find PG items in adult places. Really, how many people are going to turn off PG search when they are looking for PG items.
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CarlCorey Colman
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04-28-2009 22:44
Voted!
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Tabliopa Underwood
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04-28-2009 22:48
From: Cal Kondo I suppose, but hair is a PG item (on the head anyway) and your back to wanting to find PG items in adult places. Really, how many people are going to turn off PG search when they are looking for PG items. Quite a few I would think when theyre shopping for generic items like skins hair jewellery and similar items to complement the outfits they wearing. And you right, they not going to exclude PG places when they shopping for birds, tits even, to add to their parcels.
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Ian Nider
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04-28-2009 23:48
From: Cal Kondo I suppose, but hair is a PG item (on the head anyway) and you'r back to wanting to find PG items in adult places. Really, how many people are going to turn off PG search when they are looking for PG items. Don't you just have to have your nipples covered if you're a woman? Wouldn't most adult clothing be pretty ok to wear around anywhere?
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Nika Talaj
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04-29-2009 00:48
From: Ian Nider Wouldn't most adult clothing be pretty ok to wear around anywhere? Odd you should ask. I was standing on my lawn yesterday deleting things from my very naturalistic, extremely covenant-controlled parcel, when in rezzed a disturbingly nubile ponygirl (human with extremely large realistic hooves), in full restraints and not much else. So, no. 
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