Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions
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Matthew Dowd
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04-28-2009 15:18
From: Blondin Linden If your store relies on using words that have been flagged as adult then your store will need to be on Adult land. If your BDSM store does not rely on using flagged words, then your store is fine on Mature. Blondin, the real worry here is that you previously said that a BDSM store does not need to move. You have also said that LL will decide on who gets the free moves based on those who need to or majorly impacted. The implication therefore is that someone requesting a move because they run a BDSM store may well be rejected for the move. However, that will then make it very hard for them to advertise, and give any competitors on adult land a very strong competitive advantage. Matthew |
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Kalderi Tomsen
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Some contradictory information?
04-28-2009 15:20
OK, another example of the confusion. In JIRA http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-4149 Nicole Linden is quoted (by someone else) as saying that as an alternative to marking your content Adult (presumably on a private island, although this is not specified) it will be acceptable to put up a content warning sign and a "telehub" (which I presume means landing point). I'm afraid this makes no sense to me at all. Blondin, would you like to comment, please? If this is NOT policy, it might be an idea for Nicole Linden to post in that JIRA and correct the statement.
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Kara Spengler
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04-28-2009 15:22
I am just flabbergasted at them describing it as a 'feature' in the JIRA.
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Matthew Dowd
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04-28-2009 15:22
From: Brenda Connolly Why would Universities have to relocate to modify? They may also wish to disassociate themselves from any organisation foolish enough to believe contextless keyword blocking is a workable solution to content filtering! Matthew |
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Anabella Spark
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04-28-2009 15:25
From: Shockwave Yareach If I leave SL for OpenLife or RealXtend or Blue Mars (or any other place not being run like a gulag), I'll cheerfully delete my old SL character and all its inventory. One, I don't want to have any ties to the bad old LL if I must leave it. And two, a clean break is the best kind of break. I'll build and buy anew in the new land.
If SL continues to become such a boring place that I don't care to visit anymore, I'll make certain that I cannot do it ever again, even by accident. Buying new stuff outside of it will be my way of showing my commitment to the new place. Wow you guys should have a look at these realistic avatars at Blue Mars. I'm moving there for sure, especially that they are opening in June, same month when LL is gonna take a piss at us. I won't stay under this shower  |
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Kara Spengler
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04-28-2009 15:26
From: DanielRavenNest Noe Open Search/People, enter "Linden" in the white box But that should return 0 hits once it becomes an unmentionable word, right? Or will people search never be affected?
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Phoenix Welles
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04-28-2009 15:26
From: Blondin Linden If your store relies on using words that have been flagged as adult then your store will need to be on Adult land. If your BDSM store does not rely on using flagged words, then your store is fine on Mature. Blondin, what about the PG and mature content sellers who have content that is fine as is, and can safely stay on PG or mature land because it's not adult in nature. (like the tit birds or castle builders who include dungeons) These products rely on your arbitrarily flagged words in order to be properly promoted. But they do not deserve to have to move to ursula to do so. I will say again, either remove from the list any word which can have a pg connotation or set in place a motion to manually check those places and clear it until such time as contextual search can be implemented. I'm sorry, but an unmovable stance on something as critical to any internet seller as a keyword?? And no way to determine the context so a blanket restriction on use? I am livid. I was content to move my own adult product, but to catch innocent merchants with a shotgun blast when a scalpel would have been much more effective... /me realizes that it's time to stop, go outside and scream at the wind, it'll be more effective |
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Ilana Debevec
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04-28-2009 15:32
From: Blondin Linden If your store relies on using words that have been flagged as adult then your store will need to be on Adult land. If your BDSM store does not rely on using flagged words, then your store is fine on Mature. FOR CRIPES SAKE! YOU SAID BDSM GEAR IS NOT ADULT, BUT YOU ARE "BANNING" ALL THE NON-SEXUAL WORDS THAT DESCRIBE BDSM!! EVEN THE TERM ITSELF! ARE THE CENSORS CALLING BDSM ADULT OR NOT! |
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Mosley Sperber
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04-28-2009 15:33
From: Blondin Linden If your store relies on using words that have been flagged as adult then your store will need to be on Adult land. If your BDSM store does not rely on using flagged words, then your store is fine on Mature. I think I do need to ask again after all: Since my totally PG store, having songbirds as its main product and tits as the biggest subset of those, I will have to move to Adult land, or stop selling tits (or stop calling my tits tits, even though that's what they are called, like any encyclopedia will tell you? Hey, do they sell encyclopedias in the XXX section of the bookstores now)? Yes, sure, I can just not list my products in search anymore (uncheck "show in search"  , not mention them in my classifieds, or in my land description, and sure, people who look for tits might just search for songbirds and still find me (or search for birds and probably not find me so easily), but ... do you really, honestly think this makes sense? If I want to continue to sell, list in search, and advertise tits (birds, you know), I have to move to Adult land -- even though I bought PG mainland for my store precisely because I did not want to be near any non-PG content? Not allowing people to search for "tits", yeah, that I can sort of understand, but not letting me name my birds by their correct common names unless I move to Adult land? I don't even know what to say anymore. |
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Erinyse Planer
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04-28-2009 15:36
From: Blondin Linden If your store relies on using words that have been flagged as adult then your store will need to be on Adult land. If your BDSM store does not rely on using flagged words, then your store is fine on Mature. well in that case she can sue you personally for interfering with her business. Dont believe me? look at what happened to imvu.... Not Just LL Blondin but YOU personally... |
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Blondin Linden
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04-28-2009 15:37
From: Vorren Voltaire Will non adult events held on adult land be filtered? No, but if its Adult Land, only verified accounts will be able to attend. |
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Ayla Holt
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Builds on Ursula
04-28-2009 15:39
Does anyone know what the builds are on Ursula 33,34,57,58,80,81,82 and a few others?
Has LL already hand picked some users to move there and let them start building there?
Seems odd how the builds are placed. Just curious.
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Erinyse Planer
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04-28-2009 15:39
From: Prilis Boa ...but I don't want to type or copy every single lindening linden, theres too many of the lindens don't need to. open the ban list, open the people chooser from there. search linden and highlight them all and select ADD. though it wont work for lindens in god mode. but then nothing seems to... |
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Blondin Linden
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04-28-2009 15:40
From: Ciaran Laval Will parcels be filtered in a similar way? Not appearing in all but appearing in the places tab? That's a really good question and I do not know the answer. I'll ask around and get an answer. |
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Ian Nider
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04-28-2009 15:42
Hi Blondin,
What happens when there are children on PG, mainland and adult zones, as it seems there will be, and they pose as adults?
Who will police this?
Who will be held responsible for a child who has cyber sex with an adult?
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Brenda Connolly
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04-28-2009 15:42
From: Ilana Debevec FOR CRIPES SAKE! YOU SAID BDSM GEAR IS NOT ADULT, BUT YOU ARE "BANNING" ALL THE NON-SEXUAL WORDS THAT DESCRIBE BDSM!! EVEN THE TERM ITSELF!
ARE THE CENSORS CALLING BDSM ADULT OR NOT! This is moronic. So the content itself has no bearing on where the store belongs, just what words are used to describe it? Why are you people so afraid of words, and why are the people who are "asking" for this so afraid of them? And why create Ursula at all then? Using this logic, the mainland can still be full of sex related businesses if they word their descriptions benignly. I must be missing something. I don't get it.
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Ilana Debevec
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04-28-2009 15:43
From: Erinyse Planer well in that case she can sue you personally for interfering with her business. Dont believe me? look at what happened to imvu....
Not Just LL Blondin but YOU personally... Actually I would like to announce the formation of a new group in-world... British Dolls Seeking Men.. it's a purely non-sexual social group.. and we will do what any other group does... use our initials.. |
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Ayla Holt
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04-28-2009 15:43
Oh and Blondin,
Since you seem to be on the forums right now maybe you can answer a question I had earlier....
What about items put on your mature land that might have adult words on them and the actual item (prim) is set to show in search?
Lets say I have a sign in my store called a sex bed and lets say the word "sex" is filtered. The bed is marked to show in search. Someone searches all for my store. They see the listing of the items on my land that are set to show in search. Does that get shown or filterd?
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Ilana Debevec
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04-28-2009 15:44
From: Brenda Connolly This is moronic. So the content itself has no bearing on where the store belongs, just what words are used to describe it? Why are you people so afraid of words, and why are the people who are "asking" for this so afraid of them? And why create Ursula at all then? Using this logic, the mainland can still be full of sex related businesses if they word their descriptions benignly. I must be missing something. I don't get it. Where's George Carlin when we need him? "Ok sheriff, we're gonna Lindun you now... but but we're gonna Lindun you slow..." "Ok boys we've got a cop-Lindun'er out there..." |
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Blondin Linden
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04-28-2009 15:46
From: Ciaran Laval Will parcels be filtered in a similar way? Not appearing in all but appearing in the places tab? The PEOPLE tab is the only one that doesn't filter. PLACES will. |
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GreenKnight Kaul
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04-28-2009 15:47
From: Blondin Linden Just posted this response on that thread: Quoting Me!!: "Well hello everyone! I see a few familiar faces in the crowd. I'll try and address some of these comments but you should check back with the main thread /352/11/314444/1.html if you don't already know about it. It seems that Kyle hit the major take - away from this issue: "The greatest risk with the coming changes is a user being inadvertently in a position of being at risk of Abuse Report for a content violation..." Ryanna also says "it is important that they be able to flag themselves as such in some way so that they never find themselves in a situation where they have offended others, and become the target of an AR because they "accidentally" dropped, tp'd or otherwise flew into a PG area." Lord Sullivan asks: "Can you give us a cast iron guarantee that this will not happen and if it does through no fault of our own we will not be subjected to an AR from a PG person, as we all know how inconsistent the GTeam are." While I would love to sit here and type out a guarantee that you could quote, there are always a few bugs to work out in every new viewer. Is it never going to happen? I can't say until 1.23 is in wider distribution and the majority of SL users are experiencing it for themselves. But I can assure you Lord and everyone here, that this is the way in which the 1.23 viewer is intended to work. Logins will always redirect you to either your last location, your home, or a safe location based on your preferred maturity. If your last location was PG, or your home is, you may end up on a PG region. If this should happen to fail and result in an AR, the Gov Team will investigate each case individually and escalate the failure to the appropriate developers to fix. As for implementing this Jira in the new 1.23 viewer, I'm sorry to say that it just isn't possible. That's not to say that we are opposed to the idea. As you are all aware, we are attempting a HUGE change in the Second Life experience and we would like the opportunity to focus first on rolling out these changes. In other words, we want to get this first step right before we take another. Blondin, thanks for admitting this is a HUGE change in the Second Life experience. Okay, todays message on logging in screen, 'Want to meet and greet Linden Lab employees inworld? ^-^ Come discuss with us at Office Hours, CLICK THIS to learn more: http://tr.im/officehours ' Now if you would just admit to the masses whats going on instead of them dropping into an office hours visit without knowing what they may face. Predictability, stop making me laugh my stomachs hurting. I'm just sitting back waiting for Benny Hill and the gang to come parading over the hill chasing the nurse.
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Blondin Linden
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04-28-2009 15:47
It's being fixed. |
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Hypatia Meili
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04-28-2009 15:48
From: Ayla Holt Oh and Blondin,
Since you seem to be on the forums right now maybe you can answer a question I had earlier....
What about items put on your mature land that might have adult words on them and the actual item (prim) is set to show in search?
Lets say I have a sign in my store called a sex bed and lets say the word "sex" is filtered. The bed is marked to show in search. Someone searches all for my store. They see the listing of the items on my land that are set to show in search. Does that get shown or filterd? Or does it automatically filter your shop from showing at all. And incidentally get you in trouble for adverting adult stuff on mature. (& also at this point in time flag you to be moved to Pornotopia.) I have asked this before. No answer yet! |
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Colette Meiji
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04-28-2009 15:54
From: Jamie David They can. That will be their choice if they want to move.
As far as I understand it..... If they are on a private sim they can stay where they are.. If they are on "Linden land" or "Main Land" then if they want to have "Adult" content. They need to be on the Adult continent.
From what I have gathered so far. Anyone correct me if I am wrong. The Person must first buy land on the new continent and then move their content and sell the land on mainland.
I have not heard of any offers by the lindens to
1 transfer ownership of land from the PG/Mature Mainland to the Adult New sex continent.
2 Transfer the prims to the new place. there was SUPPOSED to be a Land SWAP for the Adult continent Land .. Not a buy new land for old plan. I wasn't asking if you can buy new land that is adult rated and use it instead. |
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Brenda Connolly
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04-28-2009 15:55
From: Blondin Linden It's being fixed. As in actually working on it, and not "looking into" it?
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