Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

It's still available at:

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Adult_Content_Keywords

I will refrain from posting my thoughts here that relate to bovine fecal matter. The idea of a wiki is collaborative editing to make a better page. If it was wrong in any specific word, the proper thing to do was to have edited it so it was correct, not deleted the whole page.

I still think it's legitimate to document a major change in how search works in the software and website, from no content filtering, to having content filtering.

jira asking for contextual search, please vote

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13032

Voted.

Like we did not see that coming.
Just surprised it took so long!

They try to keep the numbers down before RC time. If you don't want to play with the work in progress source code, you could see if they are interested in having you help with alpha testing built copies. Details:

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Public_Nightly

Are they? Can you elaborate on this? What are they giving up? What changes have they made to the plan in response to our input?

Compromise means "both sides give something up". When Linden Labs pulled KB6010 and said "oops, we didn't mean to post that" we assumed that they were bargaining in good faith and that the document would be updated to match what LL's representatives were saying here. THAT DID NOT HAPPEN, the new version of KB6010 is even more restrictive and doesn't include any of the exceptions and compromises that they appeared to be making in this thread.

A lot of us went "OK, they're not going to change the basic plan, but they're working with us on the details". But right now it looks like they're not, it looks like they're just leading us on. That may be a mistaken assumption, I could be wrong, they could update the FAQ tomorrow and all will be... well, if not well, at least acceptable.

So... whether or not the plan can work, if Linden Labs is not acting in good faith then I can not in good faith support the plan. I don't have to have a better plan to say that. I can acquiesce to the plan, but support it? No. I can't see how any person of good will can support a plan conducted in bad faith, whether they're helped, harmed, or untouched by it.

This is an appeal to authority., and it's irrelevant.

Ahhh, I hear a Caribbean accent behind this post. If only you had started it with "Hey mon..."

People keep using the "banned" word, but geez, they aren't banning anything. You can still get your groove on, even without verifying. Even on Mature land, in your home.

Think about that.

I can see Second Inventory being the cause of this. Second Inventory does not operate within the Linden Labs terms of service, because the Linden Labs ToS does not grant anyone (not even Linden Labs themselves) the right to transfer third party content into another grid regardless of the permissions set on the content.

Dungeon definition: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Dungeon

If it's not in Dogbert's Top Secret Management Handbook, it ain't gonna happen, I am afraid.

No, the infidels are inside the gates, in the throne room, and elsewhere. The castle has been forfeit at this point.

Oh, I totally expected it, and I was the one who created the page in the first place. The very idea of "not publishing" information that is easily discoverable by anyone is silly.

When I set up the page I downloaded an early version of the 1.23 client, which is not yet widely available. I was thinking "hey, most people won't have this to test, so this is a useful service to the community to figure out which words are filtered".

Now I come to find that the search page (http://search.secondlife.com/search.php) is filtering adult keywords. My guess is it is using the same set of words as the client. Anyone can use it right now and try words out.

All it will take is someone to do a dictionary search and we will have the complete list.

The fact that they took it down just highlights the illogic of their thinking:

"You can't use these words, but we are not going to tell you which ones"

This plan began nearly a year ago. It's changed a lot since then obviously. And a lot of those changes were based directly on the feedback they got from residents. So they are listening.

But really what I mean, is that LL is giving up on their dream for what SL is supposed to be. If they kept true to what they really want to do, they would be outright banning Sex, Gor, and everything else. Flat. Wipe it out completely. Instead they are compromising to make room for this in SL, going through all the time, trouble, and expense to not only rewrite sizable portions of Second Life, but create a whole new continent to accomodate us. Does nobody realize the amount of work, planning, and good old fashioned dollars that had to have taken? That is compromise. And Personally, I think a lot of the recent Long-Time Lindens who left likely left over this issue, unhappy that the dream had been compromised. I have not a shred of proof that is so, but, again, my gut says so.

I dont' expect anyone else to trust my interpretation of what is happening here. Frankly I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time. But It's the best I personally have to go on at this time. I just ask that people open themselves to the possibility that the sky won't fall.

If I leave SL for OpenLife or RealXtend or Blue Mars (or any other place not being run like a gulag), I'll cheerfully delete my old SL character and all its inventory. One, I don't want to have any ties to the bad old LL if I must leave it. And two, a clean break is the best kind of break. I'll build and buy anew in the new land.

If SL continues to become such a boring place that I don't care to visit anymore, I'll make certain that I cannot do it ever again, even by accident. Buying new stuff outside of it will be my way of showing my commitment to the new place.

Yes thank you. I am well aware of what a dungeon is. There is one under my castle and I still wonder why it must be filtered.

Prove it. Present three names of residents who gave feedback about theoretical changes to adult stuff on the mainland before the big announcement 6 weeks back. Only three. You have 80,000,000 residents to choose from - show us only 3 people LL conferred with about this banning of adult businesses and elimination of words in search.

I doubt you'll find even one.

So it has been decide now that all these people WILL QUALIFY and be APPROVED for moving?

Going by the goals LL stated for this project it seems very, very easy to suggest a better plan!!! Create both a PG-only and an adult continent then let the market decide where to go.

Their current plan is not cleaning up the mainland - only a subset of 'adult' activity is actually being forced to move. If you have a parcel that's not listed in search or events, you can still do whatever you want there.

With this project apparently being driven by "lots" of residents asking for less adult stuff scattered around at random places and LL making only businesses move, isn't it a no-brainer that a fresh, clean slate, PG-only continent would be the path of least resistance (and pain!) to meet the goal?

Also better than the current plan: lose the whole age/account verification bit of this project. It's related-but-different from the whole 'choice' thing and they're adding tons of distracting noise by trying to combine the two efforts.

Technically, yes.
Successfully, no.

I just randomnly chose a couple of words (penis, tits and gor... not the things I usually search for) and was not really shocked to see the results. What shocked me was the explanation:

"Some terms in your search query were excluded due to content restrictions as clarified in the Community Standards."

I don't think the Community Standards changed overnight and if so, there should have been an announcement. We are still in the midst of a discussion (or well... venting our anger, given the fact that we know reasonably sure that nothing will be done with our comments anyway) and the policy hasn't been finalized yet, but the Community Standards have been altered already.

It turns out all of a sudden I am considered a perv, like virtually everyone here, without even knowing it

Aen

They gave up on that before Cory left.

I can argue from authority too. I've been writing and using virtual world software for almost 30 years, and I can say with absolute confidence that they have not rewritten "sizable portions" of Second Life. They have made absolutely minimal modifications to the server and client. They already have access controls... all they've added is an additional database value, maybe a couple of rows to a couple of tables, and a new packet and dialog box. If this involved changes of as many as a thousand lines of code in all their software, I would be astonished.

Does anyone want to design a web page/s for us all that are affected by these changes with links to the pages etc details of the changes as we know them now etc etc. links to external blogs, all that sort of stuff?

Can u PM or email me

Thanks

Oh.. I have thought about that!!

It means that anybody who's given feedback to LL about how they're sick of seeing their uberperverted neighbors doing stuff on their _not in search_ land are going to be very disappointed at the result of this project...

Good on you, mate!

This is worth expanding on:

If we are told here or in the knowledge base that something is mature (not adult),
and yet its being filtered, then the filter needs fixing. The only way to find that out
is to get a list of filtered words, and compare that to the answers in the forums
and knowledge base.