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Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Phoenix Welles
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04-28-2009 14:44
From: Snickers Snook
What if a club in a Mature region wishes to advertise itself as "no nudity, no weapons, no roleplay"? Just sayin' this gets really silly without context.


exactly

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13032
Thorn Witrial
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04-28-2009 14:46
From: Brenda Connolly
Any of you guys see this? It seems there are more surprises with the new viewer.

http://www.starley.com/2009/04/the-future-of-skins.html


Jesus tapdancing christ.

*facepalms*

Voted.
angel6 Susanti
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Unanswered question
04-28-2009 14:51
From: angel6 Susanti
hello everyone:) this is my first post ever in the sl forums, I have a specific question regarding adult content. Toady I noticed that my keywords of gor, and slave, need to be changed, which is fine, they will be. I own a store where I sell a range of women's clothing, and part of my store is dedicated to selling silks. The silks that I sell have a part of them that are slave papers ( i.e. another avatar can click on the slave papers, and receive a notecard, with specific information about that slave's status etc... there are some adult type questions, such as the "open" status of the slave) . My question is, what do I do here, do I have to move all of these items to the new adult area? Also, if I take out the slave papers, what about the idea of selling silks altogether, is this now an adult activity. Also, if an avatar clicks my silks, they have strip scripts, which will ask for permission to strip, then green chat text comes up once they are taken off, (this is only for attachments of course), the green text in itself is not overtly sexual. Would anyone be able to point me to any other forum user's questions on this topic and/or an answer regarding this topic please:) If I am in the wrong thread, I apologise in advance, could someone please re-direct me to the correct place, and forgive my noobness.


Dear Blondin,
I asked this question yesterday, and whilst you have answered many questions before and after my posting, my question still remains unanswered:( Yesterday, I changed my keywords in search (gor and slave) as per the page instructions I was given, has that all changed now? I am reposting this question because, I am making silks right now for my store, and need to know, do I put the slave papers into the silks or not? Or do I make a separate set especially for the adult area, and then go back and split up all of my sets of silks into adult/non adult. This is over 50 sets of silks, and that is why I would love an answer to my question, so that I can start that task. Am I allowed to sell silks in general on normal mature land, as long as I dont have slave papers in them? Can I please have an answer to these questions, I need to get organised with this, I cannot possibly move and change everything in my store with no notice, and no understanding of what to exactly do regarding this issue. Thank you in advance,
angel6 Susanti
Phoenix Welles
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04-28-2009 14:52
From: Brenda Connolly
Any of you guys see this? It seems there are more surprises with the new viewer.

http://www.starley.com/2009/04/the-future-of-skins.html


voted
Matthew Dowd
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04-28-2009 14:52
From: Brenda Connolly
Why would Universities have to relocate to modify?


That puzzled me too - I suppose if a University is on mainland and wishes to advertise "sex education" or research on "breast cancer" etc. then they would need to move to Adult to get around the search filters, or have read the new definitions for PG and now feel they need to move to mature.

However, most Universities are on private islands so wouldn't need to move. They may feel that they do need to flag themselves as adult however because of the search filters, that some of their content might be deemed sexual (gender studies, lesbian and gay issues etc.) or violent (any graphic medical text book image) enough to be adult, or because they don't want to be responsible for their students behaviour. On the other hand flagging themselves as adult both means that

a) they are associating themselves with non-education adult activities
b) anyone who is able to visit them has to switch off the protection from non-education adult activities (which actually defeats the whole purpose of this exercise).

Matthew
Blondin Linden
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04-28-2009 14:52
From: Zai Lynch
First: Please give a reason in the edit summary (can even be a link to a forum thread) when you delete an article. It will inform the ones who are not following forum discussions (like me).


I'm sorry Zai, I didn't know.

You do great work with the wiki by the way.
DanielRavenNest Noe
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Funky results from search
04-28-2009 14:55
Ciaran made some comments about how search worked, so I did some more testing.
I get strange results:

Test 1: Search for "escorts":
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Website/all of SL: 2940 results

Client/all tab/PG checkbox : 2940
Client/all tab/PG+Mature : 3530
Client/all tab/Mature : 1240
Client/all tab/Adult : 2290
Cleint/all tab/Adult + Mature: 3470
Client/all tab/PG + Mature + Adult: 5950

First, this shows there are *three* levels in search, with unknown criteria used for each level.

Second: The results totals do not add up. Individual categories of PG, Mature, and Adult gives 2940 + 1240 + 2290 = 6470 While using all three checkboxes gives 5950

Test 2: search for "hardcore", on website/places
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Gives 93 results. Last result on first page reads:

maN Mall - Mens Fashion Mall

... Muscle Rising - Bodybuilder Poses - Vendor Set - muscle worship workout fitness
exercise man male men flex bicep gay sex erotic sexy sensual hardcore (175, 67 ...

Sex and erotic are flagged as adult words. It's one of the items for sale, not the land description
mcgeeb Gupte
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04-28-2009 14:55
From: Brenda Connolly
Any of you guys see this? It seems there are more surprises with the new viewer.

http://www.starley.com/2009/04/the-future-of-skins.html


Just wow.
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Blondin Linden
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04-28-2009 14:55
From: Ciaran Laval


Whilst you're at it tell us what's going on with search now that profiles are being censored on the website search, when will places meet the same fate? A place selling Gorean buildings won't consider themselves as adult in many cases, same goes for clothing so tell people what's going on so they can adjust their keywords hey.


The SL Website will only return PG search results.
Prilis Boa
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04-28-2009 14:58
One of the few rules of our sim at fetish network is we ban people who support discrimination or behave in a discriminatory nature outside of RP.

I would like to know if anyone has a comprehensive list of all current Lindens as obviously they are in breach of this rule and I need to add them to the ban list ASAP.

Please IM me if you have such a list. Thanks.
Couldbe Yue
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04-28-2009 15:00
lol they're clearing out all the smut at a time the US look like overturning the online gambling ban..

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,518277,00.html

is this irony?
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Matthew Dowd
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04-28-2009 15:02
From: mcgeeb Gupte
Just wow.


The latest build (24 April) also seems to remove the ability to remove the search bar in the menu and display the (much more useful) lag meters. Hopefully this is just a temporary lapse (or else the configuration option has moved to somewhere I've not spotted).

Matthew
Lasher Oh
Smelling the coffee
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04-28-2009 15:03
From: Brenda Connolly
Any of you guys see this? It seems there are more surprises with the new viewer.

http://www.starley.com/2009/04/the-future-of-skins.html



Pouring gas on a raging fire now - proof the lunatics have taken over the asylum

Does anyone recall that wonderful movie 'Network' with the Mad Prophet of the airways who urged everyone to go to their windows and shout out loud and clear

"I'M as Mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore"
Ciaran Laval
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04-28-2009 15:03
From: Blondin Linden
The SL Website will only return PG search results.


PG search inworld should do the same, they are not yielding the same results, someone is tinkering with the website search.

I just want to know where this tinkering is heading.
Kalderi Tomsen
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04-28-2009 15:03
From: Lindal Kidd
Darien, here is a direct quote from a Linden that supports my thesis. This whole pogrom is "the first step".

They aren't getting it right, and that in itself has got almost everyone (of the minority who actually know about it) upset, and rightly so.

But it's that "first step" that really worries me.

Yes: Linden Lab plans to ban all adult content from Second Life. That's the goal that this is the "first step" toward.
Lindal, which part of what you wrote was the direct quote, which Linden was it from, and where was it published? Am very curious as to this.
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Blondin Linden
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04-28-2009 15:05
From: Ilana Debevec
Blondin - I STILL want an answer here -

In post #4640 You said:

"A BDSM club would be adult
A Store selling BDSM gear would be mature"

In post #4646 You said: (in regards to sex animations being sold in stores)

"We understand people would want to test out products before they buy them.
This is expected and reasonable on a mature region"

BY YOUR WORDS you just made our store, selling BDSM devices, some of which have sex functions. MATURE IN THE STORE.

Then explain to me WHY THE FRACK THE SLOWLY BEING DISCOVERED LIST OF 'VERBOTEN' WORDS INCLUDES -

BDSM, Bondage, Dominatrix, Domme, Dungeon, Ponygirl, Ponyplay, Fetish, Submissive

NONE OF WHICH ARE A SEXUAL TERM BUT SURE HAS HELL WIPE OUT EVERY MEANINGFUL REFERENCE TO BDSM STORES!

WHAT KIND OF SHELL GAME IS BEING PLAYED HERE?

SOME HONEST ANSWERS FOR ONCE!!!!Blondin -

And DON'T TELL me the list was INACCURATE... I tried it myself!


If your store relies on using words that have been flagged as adult then your store will need to be on Adult land. If your BDSM store does not rely on using flagged words, then your store is fine on Mature.
Blondin Linden
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04-28-2009 15:08
From: Argent Stonecutter
I think the idea was that a store that was primarily not sexually oriented that had some sexually oriented items for sale would be able to stay and advertise in mature land.

Blondin?


That is correct.
DanielRavenNest Noe
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04-28-2009 15:08
From: Prilis Boa
One of the few rules of our sim at fetish network is we ban people who support discrimination or behave in a discriminatory nature outside of RP.

I would like to know if anyone has a comprehensive list of all current Lindens as obviously they are in breach of this rule and I need to add them to the ban list ASAP.

Please IM me if you have such a list. Thanks.


Open Search/People, enter "Linden" in the white box
Ryanna Enfield
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04-28-2009 15:09
From: Blondin Linden
If your store relies on using words that have been flagged as adult then your store will need to be on Adult land. If your BDSM store does not rely on using flagged words, then your store is fine on Mature.


So if you use BDSM to describe your BDSM store, or if it is named BDSM Store, then you need to move, close up shop, or become very creative with words.
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Matthew Dowd
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Adult filters JIRA
04-28-2009 15:11
Could I point out the following jira meta

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-4149

for terms incorrectly used in the adult filters.

Hence if you sell, or host events about, or advertise things such as

blue tits
British foods including faggots and gravy
cars such as the Ford Escort
characters in x-files such as Deep Throat
farmyard animals such as hens and cocks


or wish to include No Sex as a clear instruction in your lands description

etc. etc.

please

a) check the above jira to see if it links to an issue for the particular keyword causing you problems - if there is such an issue vote for it and add a slurl to the location causing problems to that issue
b) if not, add a new jira issue for the particular keyword causing you problems including a slurl to your location
c) link that new issue to the above meta issue.



Matthew
Argent Stonecutter
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04-28-2009 15:11
From: Blondin Linden
They aren't being hidden. In fact, they will be on display for anyone who wants to find it. We are simply taking steps to ensure that those who participate are allowed to be there.
Um, Blondin, can we go back a few steps here. Meta Linden says that these changes are due to companies freaking out at the sex. The official explanation is that this will give people more control over their experience. Now you're talking about protecting the NPIOF from Goreans (or protecting the Goreans from the NPIOF)... but you've also said this isn't about bringing kids into the main grid.

I'm getting confused about what Linden Labs is trying to achieve.
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Brieanne Bomazi
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I'm just sayin.....*I* am Adult Content
04-28-2009 15:12
From: Blondin Linden
The SL Website will only return PG search results.


Then can you please explain this to me?



Please use search in the viewer to view mature listings.
Results 1 - 10 of about 3140 for escorts (0.043044 seconds)

I searched at http://search.secondlife.com/search.php

Now, i go into world, and mature checked, and get:

Results 1 - 10 of about 7030 for escorts (0.065391 seconds)

So... you have, currently, 3140 NON MATURE listings for ESCORTS.

How about instead of changing the rules, and shoving us all in the corner like non-loved-red-headed-step-children-of-the-corn-smut-peddlers....

You simply ENFORCE the rules as they stand?

I mean SERIOUSLY!

Punish those of us following the rules, while posting ways to get around the *filtered* words.... but LL isn't trying to get rid of us, and make it *more predictable?*

Your basically going to run all legit places, following the rules, out of business with your rules and regulations, while the Gteam is constantly chasing down AR's on people that DON'T Follow the rules, while the PN's and griefers reign havoc on everyone still on mainland.

<sarcasm> Great Call LL. Just great. </sarcasm>
Prilis Boa
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04-28-2009 15:14
From: DanielRavenNest Noe
Open Search/People, enter "Linden" in the white box



...but I don't want to type or copy every single lindening linden, theres too many of the lindens
Matthew Dowd
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04-28-2009 15:14
From: Ryanna Enfield
So if you use BDSM to describe your BDSM store, or if it is named BDSM Store, then you need to move, close up shop, or become very creative with words.


Actually if you are borderline adult, you need to move even if LL does not regard your activity as adult enough, just in order to be able to use the keywords available to your competitors (and just because a keyword is not in the filter at the moment doesn't mean that it will not be added later).

Blondin - this is another reason why LL should not turn down anyone on mature mainland wishing to move.

Matthew
Blondin Linden
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04-28-2009 15:17
From: Tcko Cazalet
I'm trying to figure out why ANY words have to be banned...doesnt the new viewer have a checkbox to filter out adult words?
Seems to me that people who dont want to see that in search wont by just checking that naughty box...doesnt make sense.

A better alternative would be to have two viewers...one for npiof and not verified then one for piof and or verified...once a npiof gets verified they get upgraded to the full viewer.


They aren't banned. They are filtered so that only verified accounts can search for them.