Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Absolutely FALSE.

Selling BDSM gear or running a BDSM club was in no way against the TOS, yet will now be restricted to Adult themed sims.

Running a strip club or Escort service was in no way against the TOS, yet will now be restricted to Adult themed sims.

Running a Goran themed area was in no way against the TOS, yet will now be restricted to Adult themed sims.

Even "Extreme Content" such as mutilation and the like was in no way against the TOS, as long as the parcel it was on attempted to restrict access using the Aristotle age verification system (which never worked), yet will now be restricted to Adult themed sims.

Sexual Ageplay and a few other extremes are still just as banned as they were before.

Can you name ANY previously "illegal" acts that would become "legal" on Adult rated sims?

WARNING - what I am linking to could be considered highly offensive by some - open at your own risk....

So Chris, you believe that something like http://www.winternet.com/~redright/graffix/ff_art/image2.htm which is a classic Mapplethorpe, would be appropriate for Mature and doesn't need to be moved to Adult?

Yes. Even in that extreme example, if done as an artistic statement, it shouldn't be censored off to "adult land".

If you believe art should be free of censorship, you have to defend it all, no matter what you personally think of it.

Even dogs playing poker?

I've asked that twice now, explicit statement from Blondni "a store selling BDSM gear is MATURE" but every word that can be used to describe BDSM, including the word itself is 'banned'... why? Gotten ignored... if anyone want's to go to office hours and ask, I'm tied up (oh when will they ban THAT phrase!) IM me and I'll send you popcorn to pass out.

I really hope you are too.

No Blondni SPECIFICALLY SAID that 'a store selling BDSM gear would be mature, a BDSM club is adult" but even the word BDSM is filtered out.. so how can they advertise... so dammed if you do and dammed if you don't

Sex has multiple definitions, many of which are arguably not appropriate for any such list. The term "yiff" is far more specialized... perhaps more analogous to the way Austin Powers would use "shag".

That's crazy talk. Next you're going to talk about decriminalizing black velvet paintings.

Hey there redneck I would be labelled a liberal but I think i've agreed with most of what you've posted which makes me reflect that labels are a tactic used to divide us up.

I know you were responding to Ann and the statement about LL legalizing what was banned.
Wow-does anyone else think double-think there? How does moving everything that could be potentially embarrassing to LL and playing musical chairs with words amount to legalizing?

Well whatever I think we might need a song to sing while we are loaded into those box cars. I wrote some lyrics but don't have them with me-maybe later.

We are all human including of course the Lindens but I don't know how to respond to their disregarding their and our humanity. Ah maybe there's the song (really in the moment of typing this) Tracy Chapman's "Disregarding Me" *the title of that is actually "Subcity" here's the youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvyQ0YnMTf4

Hey Chrissy good to see your post O

Some might say -- on purpose. But that's also just me.

I think Ceera was talking about what's in the TOS today, not about what will be forced to move to ursula.

/me wonders about getting PRIM_BLACK_LIGHT added in along with PRIM_LIGHT...

When you look to the East, there is an adult continent ...
They have a filtering system in place ...
They have largely let the cat out of the bag ...
... they are clearly not going to postpone this game.

Everyone should stop giving the Lindens good ideas about what to restrict ...
the Lindens are making an enforcement nightmare ...
let them live it.

The people that gripe the most about being unwilling to give up data to verify ...
... are the same ones that keep telling us how easy the system is to beat ...
which makes you wonder why they don't just beat it without giving up data.

Nine days is not a lot of time to move ...
... everyone I know that will have to move, is already far along in the process.

There will be people that aren't "porned up" enough to get the swap ...
but they still want to swap ...
they should buy some porn.

The Lindens are not giving specific answers ...
specific answers can be gamed ...
they will never give them.

Gorean folks that profess enslaving women will need to be adult ...
someone will have to call their ass, a donkey ...
your tits are now just birds ...
sex equipment will be harder to sell to noobs ...
if those are the worst things that happen to you this year ...
consider yourself lucky.

Lots of people are being treated unfairly ...
words to describe how some are being treated, will all be adult words ...
the only think that can be categorically said about life is ...
that life is rarely ever fair.

Flame Away!

So your suggestion on what should be done is "nothing"? In other words leave it as-is? That has been suggested quite a few times, and Linden Labs have said that that is not how they see the future of SL.

No, they have NOT said anything of the kind.

They have said that at some time down the road they would LIKE it if they could, but there are no immediate plans to do so. So right now, officially, it's pie in the sky.

Well, since Age verification is now only one way of getting verified for the Adult access it's not such a problem - it's now anyone with a status of "Payment Info on File", "Payment Info Used' or anyone who has bought stuff from the XStreetSL site.

To be fair, there have been lots of good ideas about how this could be done. Most of them don't line up with what the Lindens see as the future for the world, and so the segregation WILL happen, it looks like. Now we just have to try to make it happen with as little pain as is necessary.

Chrissy, I hope you don't feel picked-on, here - there is just a lot of mis-information going around and some people are letting it grow. The actual facts are complicated and difficult enough - we don't need to further add to the confusion.

somehow...

that image seems rather apt.



edit: for those who missed it in the quagmire, please vote on this jira

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13032

It's for adding contextual search, something that could help the pg creators wrongfully caught up in the adult keyword nonsense, and would just be useful overall...

now back to the regularly scheduled back and forth

Untrue. I verified with Aristotle the last time LL brought this stuff up and I think the current plan does NOTHING to prevent underage people from getting into SL. It's a waste of time, it will cause more harm than good and it's unrelated to the larger project goal of 'choice' of visibility of adult content.

That and there's dozens and dozens of things we've been voting on in jira for ages that LL continues to ignore. Things that would actually make the grid a better place.

As long as i don't have to pay for it and it isn't on my land. I don't care what it is. Same as in Real Life.

I am a big enough boy that I can NOT look at something if I don't like it.

Nice misuse of logic. And it all spells that you don't care really right?

Like your last paragraph if life is rarely fair just suck it up and don't bother me with your issues.
Too bad you couldn't be a ruler or a linden isn't it?
Two of your statements are really good to expose though-like this:

"The people that gripe the most about being unwilling to give up data to verify ...
... are the same ones that keep telling us how easy the system is to beat ...
which makes you wonder why they don't just beat it without giving up data."

I'm not under age so how will I go through my parents or other relative's purse or wallet to get the ID info I need? If there's someone saying you can beat the system without providing any real data I'd like to know what stuff they're using-and I'm not talking data there!

And last this: "specific answers can be gamed ...
they will never give them." If that's the MO here how is anyone going to know how to run their sims in accordance with the new TOS?
That seems to be the largest concern here namely what will the impact be and how do I deal with it? If there aren't going to be any specifics then using that "logic" there better not be any specifics in enforcement of the TOS either.

I'd say an argument could be made that BDSM and kink are "blanket terms" and shouldn't be on the Adult list. I *personally* would find it a lot harder to argue with a straight face, but that is just me, and my personal views of the scene. Unlike LL, I am not the sort to deny another person's viewpoint or choices.

No argument here.

The reason we dont get other answers then " It may be" or " thats some to think on" or " that was a good question" are that LL has NOT desided any of this 100% yet.
Thay read all we got to say on this tings and what we are conserned on...i think....

I read true a lot,if not neer all posts here and also all the " answers" i can find from LL... i am still in the "fog" fumbling and confused on the whole ting,, and it seams that everyone else are also.
I can not plan or develop do any more untill i know 100% what i can do and not do,i got large investments in SL and huge costs , i got plans on expanding even more but now i set all on hold, i wil not risk any more, we need workframs that are soild and we need to be able to forsee the future here if we are to develop any,, that is somthing Linden Lab need to understand,, we can not have this " flip flop" from Linden Lab as it fits them if we are to be serius developing this place. There are millions of dollars invested by users here that need to have safe agrements and frams to work with.

Yes, and Maplethorpe, and even velvet elvis

I care quite a bit actually, which is why I volunteered to help a few people get ready to move, even though I will not need to move myself. Nice folks too ... made a few friends.

This "misuse of logic" is about tilting at windmills.

The term ladyboy is on the banned word list.

It is a term used by the transgendered community in Thailand.

Can you imagine the outcry if they banned the word lesbian or such? I suppose they figure if it is not a term used in the US they can get away with it.