Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

We will be offering some free spaces in our shopping area when we move to ursula and i hope other sim owners will band together to help those that maybe can't get to Ursula straight away or those that maybe just want to test the waters there first.

I can't give details as such yet as it hasn't happened but we will help wherever we can

Hey don't forget www.bdsm-life.com either and with a big group in SL

bought it, rated it and linked to it from mine. With any luck some of those who might have thought mine was a little too full on will grab yours...

another reminder of the toy: https://uncensored.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1416611?
https://uncensored.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1416611

and the flickr site: http://www.flickr.com/groups/we_are_adult_content/pool/?


It is important that you post your pic.. at the moment the public face of the protest is looking pretty thin

Maybe then he should have thought his phrasing of his post out before posting to create a not so elitist attitude. I have agreed with the changes just not how they are being implemented and have not had any arguments or any real disagreements with anyone.

Maybe thats because i accept everyones opinion and respect their views even if they differ. This guy obviously thinks he his better than the small guy so he doesn't need my business or i suspect anyone else's because he is so great

Just my opinion though

Yeah, I can understand people being put off by his presentation, and wanting to punish him for that, but my point is more towards boycotting people for supporting both the policy and the implementation, no matter how well they phrase it. That, and asking / expecting them to post such a stance. I certainly can understand people's reticence to "come forward" in such an environment.

I have mirrored the list at the URL in my sig line please post any additions there please and thank you

Also again shameless plug if anyone else wants to help grow the wiki please feel free

Thats a great idea count me in and we will send a message out to our group as well that day

I will login now special for you

Agreed. We can't go screaming about LL abrogating our freedoms of expression and in the next breath denounce someone for expressing theirs, no matter how much it is in vogue in RL right now.

Fantastic Idea - Let's make it happen

Lets all convert to OPEN LIFE instead... Linden lab are apperently commiting suicide...
And LL, for the record: YOU SUCK! This was NOT part of the deal when i orderd a SIM, give me back the money you assholes!

/HIA PAINE!

So, someone pointed me to this thread, and I'm going to quickly address something here.

First of all, I don't think I'm better than anyone else..... far from it, whoever suggested I said that really didn't understand what I was saying.

What I DID say, was that this move will improve business in the adult industry, and not just for me, but for everybody.

Why?

Becuase......

You'll no longer have to compete for traffic with the "big guys" who are paying for it, because they won't be able to use camping locations or freebie gimmicks to keep people in their stores. The people visiting their stores will be genuine customers..... genuine traffic. That, improves business for everyone..... and gives smaller stores a better chance of actually being seen. People with good products will get noticed much quicker, and that includes new people in the market..... they won't have to fight the tide big businesses hording traffic.

What part of that message did you not get the first time around?

If you don't agree with me, fine..... but, attacking me for having an opinion and actually agreeing with Linden Lab..... that's just simply immature.

If you don't like me, fine.

If you stop shopping at my store because of my opinion, fine.

But one thing I do.... is stand by my opinions.... and no matter how much you disagree, I think Linden Lab is spot on this time, and I'm far from the only person who believes so.

Btw, I also don't appreciate having my posts from one Forum moved to another without my knowledge or consent..... if you have issues, address me where I posted instead of running off doing it elsewhere. You're supposedly adults, behave like one.

Thank you.

You'd need tens of thousands to sign up to make any kind of noticeable effect. So I think you'd be setting yourself up for fail.

Why do you think that?

If you do make the boycott day happen, please send out an advance notice to the *I* am adult content group as well; perhaps could give everyone 24 hours of advance notice as well so that people don't simply logon to logoff

Yes I know, they can simply logon and logoff but I feel it would be a stronger message and also let people notify their friends and finally plan to do something with their time off..

Problem is it won't, it will do something completely the opposite.

It will allow a few hand picked people to be moved. Those who don't qualify either will have to close shop or pay more in tier for a private estate (which will eat into their profit). They won't be in with the cool people.

They will loose their land investment because they can no longer use the land they bought to be mature on for mature things.

Besides, your argument is mute anyway since LL is going away with bots and has nothing to do with the adult content move.

Yes i do agree with you on that one, that is why i have always stated why i agree and also why i disagree with these changes. I do not feel i am punishing them at all as he obviously feels that he can survive and possibly benefit, in fact Liliana is OK with peoples attitude towards her as she has just had a chat with my wife, so they must feel safe in speaking as they do.

I wish to that people would come forward, these secret people they are claiming are in favor of LL changes and the way they are being done as it would perhaps present a view we have not seen. What i think personally after reading some messages is that some of the bigger designers are slightly out of touch with the realities of what is really happening here and while i do not think SL will fail after this, it will certainly be changed more than many people realize.

I do not think business should be boycotted just because they are in agreement with this, but i feel that they should step up to the plate and say yes or no and why in a sensible manner as i hope that i have presented myself here. I feel that removing myself from their affiliate program was a good thing to do as i cannot support a person that holds others on his level with contempt. But that is my choice

What makes me sad is to see LL has managed to pit people against people in all of this while we should be working towards trying to minimize the damage done when it happens and helping each other survive rather that adopting the high ground and the "I am OK Jack" attitude.

Just my opinion though

I am not sure what you think you are doing but let me asure you, you are not really hitting your mark! I have been here for some time June 2007 to be precise.You are intimidated by the hand that feed you and this club has 1700 members. Now, we do not get much traffic. How about the groups and places that have atlot more members and traffic? What are they going to do? How about me that do not have a creditcard that is accepted in the US but use Paypal? Am I verified or am I going to loose all my freinds? I agree with my spouse Hia Paine. Fuck you for destroying our home and our world! Fuck you for being biggots and hypocritics! We have ran a clean and nice club. Our memebers loved it enough to donate enough money to let us keep it even though it was hard from time to time. I want to thank the people that tried so hard and worked almost day and night to make this place work. Thank you and take care! I hope I will see you in Open Life

MISTRESS (yes you smallminded persons.. Mistress as in BDSM and D/s)
Tracee Lane

1) I never said this wasn't going to be painful-- it's going to hurt all adult businesses. Yes, it's going to impact mine, seriously, especially my affiliate network..... but I'm *willing* to take that short term hit for the long term gains.

2) I agree, there will likely need to be some refinement of who can't move and who can move..... but, that's something still being worked on.

3) Banning bots won't stop camping sites..... which is probably a bigger traffic hoarder than bots are. With "camping" more or less eliminated in SL, almost all adult traffic will be genuine. That means your store, my store, everyone's store will be visible on the map.

I'm not at all saying there won't be problems, issues, and things which need to be addressed..... with every major change, there will be. There are rough points which will have to be smoothed, but the policy itself is ideal.

Sometimes its good that information is passed around the forums as we cannot all watch all the forums all of the time, i will always pass information from one forum i am a member of to another forum i am a member of, if the subject matter is relevant to the discussion in hand and as long as the post is copied correctly and not altered in anyway. I expect the same to happen to my posts if i have said anything of relevance to a discussion being held elsewhere and if the person moving my post feels it relevant of course.

To me its a part of forum life

Less generally doesn't equal more. Whereas I'm not 100% against the adult continent, having less people come to you isn't likely to improve business. Estate owners losing tenants as they won't flag their whole island adult isn't good for business.

People use unverified alts for some of their adult activities, whether they should or not is a whole different ball game but they do, so now the unverified alt gets dropped and you lose custom. If LL would verify alts in the background this issue will be resolved.



Why on earth do you think paying for traffic is going to go away? Payment info on file is apparently going to be enough to get people verified, traffic will drop I'd imagine but it won't stop payment for traffic or camping because people will still do that.

You claimed that three times as many people are in favour of this proposal as are against it, I've seen very few people who are 100% in favour. I think there's potential but the way Linden Lab are going about it is totally wrong and your affiliate network will suffer, some won't survive the move, some will give up. From a business perspective this isn't a great idea.

There are ways for Linden Lab to implement this idea and not do anywhere near as much damage to inworld business, but they won't. It's much easier to tell estates tough titty and watch the adult business disappear than it is to actually provide a solution that will offer true choice.

re:
1) well, glad you are because you seem to know more than a lot of people on this form because:

2) how do you know that's something that's being worked on? And by whom? Which consortium is that exactly and how do I become a part of it? I'd like to know whom to buy off to be on the "inside"; what sort of criteria are being used to allow you to know you are already going to "fit in" while a lot of people here don't know anything? Because it seems to me you already know you're moving to Ursula.

3) again, please keep bots out of this; they have nothing to do with the adult changes.

And no, this policy is not ideal; a lot of other people think that it sucks.

Waitaminnit here! Some big-time adult businesses made a backroom deal with LL that's going to cost me hundreds of dollars in wasted land investment? And I'm not even a competitor, just a resident caught up in this Charlie Foxtrot? Man, I'm not waiting...I'm tiering down later TODAY.

1) I am Magus, aka Lillani Lowell, owner of the Dictatorshop.

2) More than once, among my posts, I've said this change is going to impact my business and I'm willing to take the hit, especially among my xstreet.com posts. This WILL affect me, I guarantee you, I accept it will..... short term pain for long term gain.

3) You don't need to give up any more personal info for verification than a payment method on file. That's not asking a lot..... in fact, that was the only way to even access Second Life when I first signed up.

4) If someone disagrees with me enough to take it out on my products, I accept that. Money doesn't rule me, I'm not afraid to speak out like some are. In Second Life, often, if you speak out against the visible tide, people will try to crucify you for even voicing a differing opinion, and they will try a number of ways to take it out on you. But, I'm not a mouse. I speak my mind, I stand by it.....

5) If you can give me enough valid information, I can and will change my opinion on verification. But, I've read the debates, I've read the posts..... and you know what, so far, verification outweighs it all.

Your message did come off as pretty arrogant. I'll accept that you didn't intend for it to come across that way, but a lot of people are going to read it that way.

There's the issue of what happens six months down the road when all the land in Ursula has been Nautilused by land speculators. That's going to put a huge hurdle in the way of new adult businesses that isn't here now. Unless Linden Lab makes Ursula so big that doesn't happen.

Renters are, as of now, kind of boned. If the owner of the region doesn't convert to adult, they're out on the tiles, and not eligible for the land swap.

You can still end up living between a strip joint and a bondage supply store on Mature rated mainland, so I'm not sure exactly what is accomplished.

While I agree that the idea of organizing content on the mainland has merit, the Linden plan is far from ideal.