Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

While I may not agree with the take of people like Magus, I don't think it is fair to boycott them for their belief that this is a good move by LL.

Some of you are calling for more adult content creators to "come off the fence" on one side or the other, and then in the same breath say that the ones who come off supporting it go on your "boycott list". That's not really much of an incentive for anyone to come off of any fence, when doing so poses a real (or even imagined) hazard to their business.

If an adult business owner tells me that this is a good move, I might question his understanding of the policy and/or its consequences, or his motivations for saying so, but if he truly has a good, well-thought-out business case for it, then who am I to try and dissuade him?

Unless they are FOL's (Friends of Linden) or Linden alts themselves and will be "taken care of" when the move happens. Ot they are elitist asswipes, who feel as content creators they are better than the average SL user. There is a lot of that also in some circles.

That's exactly why you boycott a business.

They support a policy you think is wrong, you let them know by taking your money elsewhere.

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Magus responded 29 minutes ago:

As one of the larger and more successful adult content creators in Second Life, I am for this change, as are most of the adult content creators I know..... for as many people are against this change, there's about 3x of us for it, we're just content with it, so we're not speaking out.

Really, the only people who won't be able to 'see us' are people who have unverified accounts, and they are only a very small fraction of the market as a whole. I maybe see 5 - 10 unverified customers for every 100 verified customers (payment info on file)..... that's barely a drop in the hat.

Yes, it'll hurt a little in the short term, but it'll benefit in the long term, both us, and Second Life.

The only thing this will really effect in the long term are crappy adult clubs, crappy adult sex areas, and crappy adult stores luring unverified newbies with camping chairs or by enticing them with crappy freebies. Those days will be over, and instead of inflated traffic numbers, adult stores and locations will have a genuine representation of shoppers and traffic.

Magus/Lillani, the Dictatorshop


WHO is magus and what is the Dictatorshop? I have been here since 2005 with my first avi and I've never heard of them. Why is it that people like this think they are so popular and that everyone should know them and that nothing will effect them? Nothing makes you look smaller than a big ego Magus.

Believe me ... this is going to effect everyone. Many many many people will not want to be verified. That has already been proven. They don't want to give up personal information. So some of your customers (the people who have actually heard of you and shopped at your store) will not be back because they won't be able to get back. OR.... people like me who have verified accounts (according to the accounts page on secondlife.com) aren't shown as verified in world and can't access those area even if we try after giving up our personal info.

So you can climb off of your mountain top where you think nothing hurts you and come join me in reality of this major clusterf**k that LL is building up.

I wonder how adult sellers who LL decides not to move will feel, when they go out of business.

Yeah, I understand the concept just fine, thanks.

However, asking for someone to "come off the fence" and "choose a side" with you there holding the boycott axe if they choose the "wrong one" isn't going to be very inducive.

I would LIKE to see more of these "adult business" owners come into the forums and take a stance, just as I would like to see more people who are in support of the move come in and make themselves known. However, that's not going to happen as long as there is a hostile environment waiting for them.

If I were to boycott Magnus, it would be simply because of the complete lack of empathy shown towards those who will suffer from being forced to move.

Call me old fashioned, but I prefer the people I deal with to have a passing contact with the rest of the human race.

but that's just me..

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does it really matter though?

This is just us letting off steam at most.

LL wont be changing their decision no matter what anyone says or how impractical their idea was.

If they're so worried about losing money, perhaps they should rethink their position.

Or at least explain it in a less inflamatory manner than Magus.

I'm not entirely opposed to the concept of making SL more organized as far as content goes, but I don't believe the LL plan is a very good way to do that.

Agreed. I would boycot them too but since I never heard of them and never shopped with them before anyway... it's rather pointless. I will forget them within 24 hours away

Just like in real life, once a business gets to a certain size, they want to see restrictions placed upon the market. It is for our own good, they say. But if they were honest they would admit it is to keep those crappy upstarts from providing any competition. Just like Wal Mart, Toys R Us, and Hasboro all applauded the new child safety/consumer laws that are now devastating smaller competitors.

If they won't stand behind their convictions, even if it does cost them something, they aren't even worthy of our contempt.

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As one of the larger and more successful adult content creators in Second Life, I am for this change, as are most of the adult content creators I know..... for as many people are against this change, there's about 3x of us for it, we're just content with it, so we're not speaking out.

I wonder who the other 3x are?.....almost sounds like a conspiracy....."so we're not speaking out"...insiders?
Magnus has shown his/her true colors...Magnus only cares about Magnus bottom line...they wont be forgotten after the dust clears...guaranteed...hence the reason for a boycott to all who think most of us are disposable....wonder how many here have bought his/her products?...it should make them really happy to hear what he/she thinks of them.

All of us with adult content should be a collective group and stick together since this will affect ALL with adult content....their is no middle ground...one side or the other.

Now to find out who the other 3x are...or maybe its like SL's 2 to 4% thingy...maybe the 3x are getting concessions to support all this...they better keep it hidden if that's the case
MHO

I dunno. It all depends on the amount of pressure placed on the right people at LL.

Just like with OpenSpaces, while they may not abandon the policy entirely, they may make significant concessions on it before it is all said and done.

Maybe not, though.

Thing is, all these people saying they will boycott businesses that will come out in support of the plan (or even just over a badly presented message of support), are they as willing to punish the REAL source of the problem by boycotting SL and LL itself?

Seems kinda hollow otherwise. :-/

I agree with you but, by the same token, boycotting where it won't hurt you, or really have much of an effect isn't really "standing by one's convictions" on the flip side, either.

If you're going to boycott any business over this policy, LL should be at the top of the list.

By asking them to stand behind their convictions, we better damn well be willing to stand behind ours, or we're not worthy of their contempt, either.

"FREE Avatar Biological Interaction Area" ??? will that do?

As I've asked Meta in the Xstreet forum (and got no answer), if Magus don't have supporting public data for his affirmative, it is nothing. Sayng that "there's about 3X of us..." or that tera are 100 zillion of them, or none of them mean the same: absolute nothing. Show public and traceable data!

(remember: is those who says something that have the duty to demonstrate it. If I say that I have an invisible pink unicorn in my garden, it's me that have to prove it. It's not your duty to prove that I'm lying)

Which many people are doing by tiering down and going back to basic accounts. It is entirely possible to enjoy SL without giving LL one dime.

so anything new since friday?

Nope. We are just blowing off steam and talking among ourselves.

You Know, Going nowhere very fast. Well until they kick us off to Ursula!

SL and LL are at the top of my boycott list....I haven't spent not one linden for three weeks and what money I do have will be donated to Lord Sullivan or Couldbe Yue for this cause.

P.S. six months ago I averaged 1000L a day in adult sales...with all the changes they have made in that time it dropped to nada...but to be honest I came here to play and don't really care if I make one thin dime...I still have a few vendors out..if I sell ok, if I don't ok...I came here to play and when LL screws with my fun and toys I get a little hot...especially when they change what I paid for to something else....when and if I tier down at least a few LL employees wont be eating steak that night ^ ^

I admire that. I am not yet willing to do this, because my money helps pay rent on land I share with my Partner and he's not yet feeling this as much as I because he hasn't read the blogs as deeply as I. He's upset that I'm upset, but he's not upset about LL. Yet. He's waiting to see how it falls out. If I stop my spending for our land, he'll be hurt and that I will not do.

I wouldn't hurry to vilify Dictatorshop, and especially not on the basis of their being anti-competitive. Lillani has made available a free bazaar for fledgling BDSM designers to get public exposure for their products, and contributed the open source LockGuard system for BDSM scripters.

I think she's wrong this time, and I think she's out of touch with her own community, but I don't think she has ulterior motives.

(Whether we like it or not, one very big-name Adult creator--possibly the largest and best-known--has long lobbied for some such policy; I really don't know his reaction to the policy as LL is implementing it.)

couple of things.
1st, ---why is the censored item non transfer? (mine is at least) I'd love to pass it to our group members..
2nd --- I made a group called the adult stripclub network for advertising strip clubs and events... anyones open to span er- post their club provided its a strip club.
secondlife:///app/group/9c43b8c0-7293-c836-7390-32925a255aed/about


And 3rd --- and most strange....

I had another Linden visitor last night. He was very polite although he killed the attendence as everyone ran off.

It was a rather different conversation. he stated he was new as in only 3 months old. And he was very interested in how much I and the club made. (we operate in the black thank you)

I was asked to tp him about the property as he was "still new" he said.

once we arrived in the Space island skybox it got really different. He requested we do a friend exchange and... If it hadnt been a linden i'd had sworn I coulda "entertained" him for a fee. but i didnt dare.
He seemed to really like it but then just signed off and stood there looking at me... anyone else I would have jetted sooner, but i waited around for like 15 minutes before im'ing him a good bye.


He seemed rather in awe of me and the dancers (before they jetted) and honestly, he was rather cute. he was a little bunny person.
I told him my feelings on censorship and the adult land swaps. I told him i thought a lot of people were going to get hurt. there was no real comment back from him on that and i was disappointed. he kept drifitng back to how nice the build was and asking if the girls had voice.

I asked if he was there on business or pleasure and he said both.

His profile said he worked in the programming dept.

anyways.. that was my experience last night it was rather strange. Just thought I'd relay the information.

I own my land alone and every month on the 15th I grit my teeth wondering why the hell I pay them all that money just for them to shit on me.....I'm bending over now you all can take turns kicking my ass.....wait ...I need a little padding first. ^ ^