Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions
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Ayla Holt
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04-26-2009 12:03
From: Qie Niangao I wouldn't hurry to vilify Dictatorshop, and especially not on the basis of their being anti-competitive. Lillani has made available a free bazaar for fledgling BDSM designers to get public exposure for their products, and contributed the open source LockGuard system for BDSM scripters.
I think she's wrong this time, and I think she's out of touch with her own community, but I don't think she has ulterior motives.
(Whether we like it or not, one very big-name Adult creator--possibly the largest and best-known--has long lobbied for some such policy; I really don't know his reaction to the policy as LL is implementing it.) I just think that they are egotistical and they are so wrong if they think this isn't going to hurt them. Untill LL fixes the problems from two years ago about the age verify not showing up in world no place that is flagged for adult content is going to be uneffected. Right on my account page for the last two years it has said that i am verified... yet when I try to get into flagged areas I cannot. Now, if this person thinks that they, somehow, will have all of their customers problem free in this area then they are mistaken. If their customers can't get there then they can't buy from them. They may have wonderful products and they may do good for their fellow residents but that post was written by someone with a big ego and a lack of understanding of the situation as a whole.
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Colette Meiji
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04-26-2009 12:05
From: BustyDustee Sideshow couple of things. 1st, ---why is the censored item non transfer? (mine is at least) I'd love to pass it to our group members.. 2nd --- I made a group called the adult stripclub network for advertising strip clubs and events... anyones open to span er- post their club provided its a strip club.
And 3rd --- and most strange....
I had another Linden visitor last night. He was very polite although he killed the attendence as everyone ran off.
It was a rather different conversation. he stated he was new as in only 3 months old. And he was very interested in how much I and the club made. (we operate in the black thank you)
I was asked to tp him about the property as he was "still new" he said.
once we arrived in the Space island skybox it got really different. He requested we do a friend exchange and... If it hadnt been a linden i'd had sworn I coulda "entertained" him for a fee. but i didnt dare. He seemed to really like it but then just signed off and stood there looking at me... anyone else I would have jetted sooner, but i waited around for like 15 minutes before im'ing him a good bye.
He seemed rather in awe of me and the dancers (before they jetted) and honestly, he was rather cute. he was a little bunny person. I told him my feelings on censorship and the adult land swaps. I told him i thought a lot of people were going to get hurt. there was no real comment back from him on that and i was disappointed. he kept drifitng back to how nice the build was and asking if the girls had voice.
I asked if he was there on business or pleasure and he said both.
His profile said he worked in the programming dept.
anyways.. that was my experience last night it was rather strange. Just thought I'd relay the information. lulz sounds like its time for some Linden to get an Alt.
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Dogboat Taurog
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04-26-2009 12:05
From: Talarus Luan I dunno. It all depends on the amount of pressure placed on the right people at LL.
Just like with OpenSpaces, while they may not abandon the policy entirely, they may make significant concessions on it before it is all said and done.
Maybe not, though.
Thing is, all these people saying they will boycott businesses that will come out in support of the plan (or even just over a badly presented message of support), are they as willing to punish the REAL source of the problem by boycotting SL and LL itself?
Seems kinda hollow otherwise. :-/ I am boycotting xstreet also. its my choice, its up to you what you do about it.
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Tcko Cazalet
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04-26-2009 12:11
From: Dogboat Taurog I am boycotting xstreet also. its my choice, its up to you what you do about it. LOL....It's been a year since when I *tried* to make an account on xstreet...ha I've went to concierge live chat ....made countless tickets to get the account fixed ...asked them several times just to delete me and let me start over.....all i get is a DUH email about it. actually have a ticket in at the moment.....seems to me if they cant fix something as simple as deleting an account how the hell will all the other things work such as AV and all!
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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Filtered Keywords
04-26-2009 12:13
I installed an early version of client 1.23, and tested a bunch of keywords. The filtered words I found are listed here: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Search_keywordsCopy the list fast before some Linden removes them What happens is if the adult content checkbox is NOT selected in search, and you enter one of the filtered words, you will get a popup telling you its filtered, and you will not get search results.
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Hypatia Meili
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Serious Questions Again!!!! in addtion to all the others!
04-26-2009 12:14
When is somebody going to up date the link for verification on the accounts page? It still lead only to the Aristotle Beta and give no information on other options. Or any indication that Verification is GOING LIVE & that is anything other then a test.
When is current information about verification going to be added to the knowledge base, Not just the little bit that you find if you know to look up ADULT CONTENT or AO? {(Adult Content = AO . That is the silliest abbreviation/acronym,m I have ever seen)}
When is a NEW "Ticket Type" for "Basic Accounts" going to be added for Verification problems? The ONLY option for basic accounts currently if verification is not working is to apply for "Manual Verification" with "Hard Documents" as if they had been ARed for being underage.
How can a "Basic Account" holder get help if they have verified but it is not working in world or their account info is not updating? should they all TP to "Public Help Island" and try looking for linden staff?
If/when We are verified does that exempt us from underage AR with out some evidence? Or can somebody simply saying they think we are underage get us suspended and stuck with the choice leave or submit hard document?
Is verifying under Aristotle a sufficient alternative for responding to ARs for being underage? It is suppose to be going Live now. (not that I approve of Aristotle)
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Milla Janick
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04-26-2009 12:17
As far as boycotting businesses, I don't know.
On one level, if the owner is a dick, I'm not going to shop there. Is that really a boycott?
On the level of changing LL's mind about the policy change, I'm not sure it's an effective tool.
I believe the only potentially effective course of action is to try to influence the final policy, although I'm not sure if anything we say is making any difference.
On Magus's analysis of the situation, I see a whole lot more NPIOF avatars in would be adult areas than Magus is seeing in his shop. I wonder if he's taking into consideration his satellite & mall vendors in addition to his main store? I suspect he's underestimating the actual impact the policy may have on every adult business.
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Talarus Luan
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04-26-2009 12:23
From: Chris Norse Which many people are doing by tiering down and going back to basic accounts. It is entirely possible to enjoy SL without giving LL one dime. Well, the thing with this is that simply by logging into SL, you're still giving them popularity and statistics that they can point at and say "See? We're still doing just fine!". To effectively boycott SL means not only avoiding paying LL for anything, but also not adding to their statistics in a positive way, by means of not logging in. I've thought about the viability of organizing an "Adult Content Vacation" day, where as many as possible who are against the policy simply do not log in for that day. Kinda as a prelude for the future.
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Hypatia Meili
Tilting at Windmills? :p
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04-26-2009 12:23
The problem with boycotting LL is that there is no viable alternative, and they know this. What it means for the time being then is "forget this kind of thing completely and go do something else entirely". At least till somebody else shows up and provides some real competition. 
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Marcia Moulliez
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04-26-2009 12:26
I was quite offended by Magnus's delivery of her/his opinion.
I own dictatorshop products and they are fairly good but then again I think mine are pretty good too.
My issue is with the arrogance displayed and the fact that these big sellers will corner the market making it doubly hard for anyone else to get their business off the ground.
It took me time to find a niche in the BDSM market that was not being serviced and I'll be mighty annoyed if the big shops just steam in and take over the whole scene. To have LL basically appearing to support and engineer this occurring smacks of the NRA bending over the USA government every election time for the support of guns in the US or the oil companies working over the fuel duty taxation systems within government.
It stinks of corruption.
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Hypatia Meili
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04-26-2009 12:29
From: DanielRavenNest Noe I installed an early version of client 1.23, and tested a bunch of keywords. The filtered words I found are listed here: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Search_keywordsCopy the list fast before some Linden removes them What happens is if the adult content checkbox is NOT selected in search, and you enter one of the filtered words, you will get a popup telling you its filtered, and you will not get search results. AnimatedPoseBed ? How do you sell the permitted mature stuff boxed "free Masculinity Attachment" ?  PoleDancing Club Alluring cothing  I definitely see a problem on advertising some supposedly allowed mature stuff
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Ryanna Enfield
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04-26-2009 12:31
From: Talarus Luan Well, the thing with this is that simply by logging into SL, you're still giving them popularity and statistics that they can point at and say "See? We're still doing just fine!".
To effectively boycott SL means not only avoiding paying LL for anything, but also not adding to their statistics in a positive way, by means of not logging in.
I've thought about the viability of organizing an "Adult Content Vacation" day, where as many as possible who are against the policy simply do not log in for that day. Kinda as a prelude for the future. I have thought about this a lot. Mostly, I have significantly decreased my time spent in SL for the past month, when this whole issue started. Right now I'm sitting on a paid in advance Premium Account for which I still get the old stipend of 500L a week. I also own a 512 Mature mainland plot. To me, it hurts LL more by my sucking up use of the land and taking the stipend, since I already paid in advance. To return to basic at this point... Not sure that makes sense for me. However the things I am willing to do, and have done effectively is stopped all spending within SL as well as severly reducing my time logged in world. I usually log in once a day to grab group notices and then pull up the threads here and log right back out. For someone who spent a considerable amount of hours in world per week, that is a huge cut back. However, if I'm the only one doing this, then it is really pointless and I'm sure there is an extra bot some where sucking up my spot anyhow.
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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04-26-2009 12:35
From: Hypatia Meili AnimatedPoseBed ? How do you sell the permitted mature stuff boxed "free Masculinity Attachment" ?  The word "sex" is filtered, so "Sex Bed" would end up searching for "Bed" Sexy Bed and SexBed both are not filtered Go look at the list. I can't post it here cause the forums are supposed to be PG Note: plurals, misspellings, and split/joined words mostly are not flagged. For example if "doorknob" was filtered (its not, this is just an example), then doorknobs doorknOb (with a zero instead of oh) and door knob seem to work mostly Upper vs lower case does not make a difference, and period, comma, dash, etc seem to be treated like space as a word break
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Tcko Cazalet
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04-26-2009 12:35
From: Hypatia Meili The problem with boycotting LL is that there is no viable alternative, and they know this. What it means for the time being then is "forget this kind of thing completely and go do something else entirely". At least till somebody else shows up and provides some real competition.  Well here's my story..for two long years I waited until neighbors sold out to get the land I wanted...currently I own 55000+ sqm of the sim...I worked hard building and terra forming to get what I wanted..( lakes/mountains/etc....paid more than premium to get some of the land....and the clincher is if we are forced to move to land we do not want or it isn't as good as what we have...it sorta kills the reason for being here...part of my SL experience has died and I'm not sure if the desire will ever come back...they have effectivly kiiled *My World My Dreams* and isn't that what we paid for? I simply don't have the heart to start over..and another thing..when I am forced to move to Pornville I will lose a lot of friends who cant verify to get there..and that's what hurts the most...so why stay? We all have the need for good friends and if they take that away what is there? If I want to just build I'll go to my opensim standalone...but before I tier down I'm hanging around to see how it all plays out.
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Ryanna Enfield
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04-26-2009 12:45
Somebody mentioned something in the Xstreet forums that would be a pretty neat thing to do. What if we could make an Advertisement about what is happening where we take a huge group photo of all of us. Then have someone edit the photo to remove each person in stages until no one is left, just the sun setting in the background. Maybe some kind of title of.. "How much would you pay for two birds in the bush?" Well, just a thought.
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Ciaran Laval
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04-26-2009 12:48
From: Magus responded 29 minutes ago:
As one of the larger and more successful adult content creators in Second Life, I am for this change, as are most of the adult content creators I know..... for as many people are against this change, there's about 3x of us for it, we're just content with it, so we're not speaking out.
Really, the only people who won't be able to 'see us' are people who have unverified accounts, and they are only a very small fraction of the market as a whole. I maybe see 5 - 10 unverified customers for every 100 verified customers (payment info on file)..... that's barely a drop in the hat.
Yes, it'll hurt a little in the short term, but it'll benefit in the long term, both us, and Second Life.
The only thing this will really effect in the long term are crappy adult clubs, crappy adult sex areas, and crappy adult stores luring unverified newbies with camping chairs or by enticing them with crappy freebies. Those days will be over, and instead of inflated traffic numbers, adult stores and locations will have a genuine representation of shoppers and traffic.
Magus/Lillani, the Dictatorshop
Good luck keeping your affiliate network alive Magus  Either you don't care about them or it's not doing much business.
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Lord Sullivan
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04-26-2009 12:51
From: Brenda Connolly And the corporate world being what it is, Mitch will be the first one heading for the lifeboats when it becomes obvious the plan is a failure Women and children first lol
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Tcko Cazalet
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04-26-2009 12:55
From: Lord Sullivan Women and children first lol He will probably drown them hurrying to the lifeboat....Lord when you come online IM me I sent you a message
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Lord Sullivan
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04-26-2009 13:04
From: Tabliopa Underwood Not sure what betamax is. Sounds like some kinda breakfast cereal maybe or dogfood even =) Still, LL will do whatever it does, I still be here though and if I the last avatar standing then I wont turn out the lights, I just trigger every lulz bomb I got and the last Linden standing will have to shoot me to get rid of me, assuming I dont get them first =) Betamax was an old video tape format that lost out to VHS  showing my age lol we will remain here as well until a viable and usable alternative comes along. Its not SL that i dislike its LL and its stupid business ideas that pee me off i still keep my fingers crossed things will change at some point.
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Lord Sullivan
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04-26-2009 13:05
From: Colette Meiji "all that content would be adult, but we are out of room"
"tell them to change the wording on their land description instead!" Yep sounds like LL through and through 
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Lord Sullivan
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04-26-2009 13:12
From: Couldbe Yue That poster if fantastic. If you don't have an xsl account, do you want me to drop it in the magic box and put an ad up on xsl for it? Innula, you posted it to flickr but not the group.. great pic btw  and I just snuck into fetlife to do some consciousness raising and in response to my post about protesting I got this... There you have it.. are we feeling marginalised yet? That bloke obviously doesn't understand economics 101 ah well lets see what happens as he obviously doesn't want NPIOF shopping in his store
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Lord Sullivan
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04-26-2009 13:14
From: Ryanna Enfield Who is in charge of determining who the crappy adult clubs, crappy adult sex areas, and crappy adult stores are? Would those crappy places be your competition? Total arrogance. Well it wont be good business for Dictatorshop to be taking such an arrogant view o well takes all sorts i suppose 
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Lasher Oh
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Ursula Protest Poster Now available at xstreet for free
04-26-2009 13:16
Please join the growing chorus of protest against Lindens Labs latest folly. I Don't expect it will make make one iota of difference to their ultimate decision but at the end of the day we will at least feel better for telling the world whats up, and that the way we are being treated stinks. This Poster is Free, full perm and can be distributed as widely as you wish Get it here... https://uncensored.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1418575
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Talarus Luan
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04-26-2009 13:17
From: Hypatia Meili The problem with boycotting LL is that there is no viable alternative, and they know this. That really doesn't have anything to do with boycotting, but a tangential tactic. Boycotting is simply not participating with a group or organization, be it social, financial, or whatever. The idea is that the only thing they understand and respect is the money (or your presence), and taking it away is a wake-up call. From: someone What it means for the time being then is "forget this kind of thing completely and go do something else entirely". At least till somebody else shows up and provides some real competition.  Yep, pretty much. Well-organized boycotts can send companies that "wake-up call", and get them focused on doing the right things, but there are no guarantees. In the end, it may be about simply "turning it off" and finding other ways to spend your entertainment money.
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Lord Sullivan
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04-26-2009 13:21
From: Dogboat Taurog i would imagine that 50% or more of the market of adult content items will dissapear overnight as no non age verified or piof will know about it. any adult creators who are in favour of this segregation are fools to cut themselves out of the loop. Making money in sl is hard enough as it is.
and this magus is on my boycott list also lol. my choice. LOL totally agree and we had an affiliate program with them on our land. guess what it is gone now and we wont support them anymore and i have removed his products from our sim that people use and i would suggest others follow suit. We really do not need arrogant SOBs that think they are better than us.
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