Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Hold off, get a land swap and tier down the land in Ursula. You might even make money that way from people who want to paticipate in the land swap but get denied, and don't want to fight it out with land speculators.

I don't mind that. I've already got PIOF.

What I mind is having to choose between staying where I am, with a build that I've been working on, on and off, for three years... and risking getting ARed because some tenant does something to piss off the G Team... or sell it and buy new land on Ursula at usurious rates just to have the same rights I thought I already had.

This is MUCH bigger than the adult industry.

its going to hurt a lot of the smaller people much harder than you and i bet you are rubbing your hands together gleefully.

i have a long memory and i'm entitled to use my discression and opinion against you or anyone else that i dont agree with, so don't moan about it, be a man and take it or get out.

It seems a couple of different policy announcements are getting conflated here.

The anti-trafficbot thing is a whole separate topic, and while it may have its shortcomings, I doubt if there's anything like an uprising against it--and indeed, if it works, it will benefit the BDSM creators and community (and really everybody except professional traffic-gamers).

I don't propose to rehash thousands of posts in this and previous threads about the new Adult Content policy, but... well, it has big, big problems, not just rough edges.

Lillani, you're certainly entitled to your opinion on this or any matter. I'd just suggest that it may be worth looking through some of the posts here to understand why there's such an outcry about it, what motivated it (and what didn't), what the consequences will be (and what they won't be), and how LL has acquitted itself in all of this.

I'll concede that perhaps I came off a bit strong in my original posting, usually I'm very passionate when I talk, it's as much a blessing as a curse.

I don't qualify for a land-swap. I'm a gallery and make NO money. This is nuts. All I did was pour real dollars into LL's coffers and this is my reward. I had a full, rich life before SL; it is still there. I'm not leaving, mind you -- I'm just never giving this company full of idiots another dime.

Anyone want some cheap land? I'm inworld now, cleaning up and out.

Excuse me?

I've always supported smaller businesses-- and I've been there when small businesses I encouraged to sell became big businesses, far bigger than I can even imagine.

I created LockGuard just to give small businesses access to an easy to use particle chain system..... which I didn't even start using it myself until a year later. I *still* take time to help out people when I can who are creating competition to me using it and giving them direction into getting the results from it they want.

Don't think for one moment I dislike competition, or that I'm all about money, because I'm most certainly not.

You're not telling me anything I don't already know.

Thing is, it wouldn't be fail for those who participated, just for the point of getting noticed.

Like every other kind of "public protest", it is primarily a matter of making it something easy to do (not logging in is pretty damn easy), spreading the word, and getting buy-in.

As I said in a previous message, though, it is a two-edged sword; if we do something like that, and hardly anyone bothers, then it could send the wrong message to LL that the issue isn't important enough to folks to bother.

It's one of those "damned if you do; damned if you don't" type of things, so I would have to co-opt a Picardism: "If we're going to be damned, let's be damned for what we really are (or, in this case, believe)."

I wasn't talking about bots.

I was talking about camping-- which is a bigger traffic gamer than bots are.

If only verified people can access adult content, that immediately cuts down on the amount of adult traffic which can be gamed.

If they want to increase the numbers of accounts with payment info and decrease traffic gaming, they could just quit counting traffic from NPIOF. I suggested that, oh, almost four years ago.

Since when? I don't see anything in the policy that states camping chairs or "freebie gimmicks" will be outlawed. There is certainly no case where just requiring verification is going to make freebies useless for attracting folks; they just will be "verified" (WETF that means) folks, is all. At best, it is a tangential issue, one which really doesn't justify the negatives that will undoubtedly come from the entirety of the plan.



I admire and encourage it, even though I believe LL is horribly wrong in their plans, and don't find your arguments in support of it compelling enough to sway that belief. We'll just have to see. Well, most likely, you'll have to see. I don't think I can stomach it enough to hang around long enough to find out.

I would encourage you to ask these other people who believe as you do to come speak as well; it would help to get their perspective, too.

That would be the plan; make it several weeks from now to give everyone time to plan for it.

Say, like May 16th, so they can go out and enjoy the nice spring weekend day with their friends and families, or with that "someone special" that they will likely get ARed for being with in SL, once this policy comes to full effect.

Camping hasn't been a bigger traffic gamer than bots for quite some time, although that's about to change. Even on the adult continent people are going to engage in traffic wars.

Maybe you should change your XStreet ad for your paid affiliate program to warn people of the forthcoming changes, that would be a nice thing to do and encourage good business relations for your brand. Whereas people might be a little miffed if they take the free one and find it's no longer a viable option, they're going to be a lot more miffed over the paid one.

Very few people are against the idea of LL giving people the option to flag parcels as adult, I'd even say it's the responsible thing to do. From my perspective I'd rather go to a store or club that flags itself as adult than one that doesn't. If LL did that then adult land would grow organically, based on reputation.

They're not doing that though, they're deliberately ignoring people who point out that making a PG continent would help balance the issues of choice out too. They want adult content moved to somewhere where it's easier to snap it off.

no, i wont excuse you.
i believe your head is in your bank account.

The US Government needs to associate what your avatar does, purchases and communicates within SL for classification purposes. Issues such as the division of land, keywords and the endless discussion of Liani bloody Lowell are just distractions. now be good little deviants/terrorists/whatever and keep prattling amongst yourselves.

Aside from the consumerist whinging and the suggestion of a boycott day are there any good ideas for counter-activity and protests?

Too bad. Your place looks like something I wish I'd known about earlier.

Actually, I found it amusing to post the list on their official wiki, especially putting it in the form of "I'm just documenting a feature".

I have the original version on my PC in a text file, so it wont disappear.

The government doesn't give a crap about what we do in Second Life.

Want to do something? Show up at Linden Office hours. There were fewer than a dozen people at Blondin's last week. If you ran Linden Lab, would you take the opposition to the plan seriously if that's all that bothered to show up when your point guy was avaialble in world? I wouldn't.

Yes, but what "gains" are you seeing which justify the "pain"? Personally, I don't see any. You'll have less customers. If you are lucky, it *might* not cost you a lot of money to move. Certainly you're not thinking that you'll get more customers in the long term, are you? I mean, the WHOLE POINT of this exercise is to entice the "masses" of people who have PROBLEMS even being in the same region with "Adult Content"; those people certainly are not going to be beating down your doors on Ursula for it, I wouldn't think.



Well, as we have seen, this whole thing has been "worked on" for weeks, but very little has changed at all. Given that, it is highly likely that many people will be denied moves, even though they have no less legitimate a claim to be moved as the ones who do get moved.



You're right, but neither will this policy. If the only thing that the campers have to do is go and put in some fake info into Aristotle and get "verified", there will be just as many campers on Ursula as there are currently in mature regions. I think you underestimate the resourcefulness of campers and those willing to use them.



Well, technically, for it to be "ideal", it couldn't have "rough points".

However, I don't see anything BUT "rough points" in the policy, which is why I consider it as far from "ideal" as possible.

You're entitled to your opinion.

And in this case, you're entitled to be wrong.

Magus responded 29 minutes ago:

The only thing this will really effect in the long term are crappy adult clubs, crappy adult sex areas, and crappy adult stores luring unverified newbies with camping chairs or by enticing them with crappy freebies.

Magus/Lillani, the Dictatorshop

crappy crappy competion?
you have a right to have an opinion but for petes sake you come across as 1 nasty piece of work. and for that im never going to do business with you or your crappy business.
the smaller businesses will go to the wall and thats what you want.

yeah its a great idea but i am also trying to keep track as well in case they pull it all which i hope they don't mind you as it is needed.

protests?

you mean like all the stuff over open space?

hey whatever happened to that guy that was collecting money to file a lawsuit against LL over the open space thing? Oh yea he took all tht money and the lawyer involved went to work for xstreet.

suckahs!

The AO decision was made. LL never changes their mind. Protests are futile.

I will say that the vitriol being shot at LL folks is a tad misguided. The board of directors is who makes these type decisions. If you are going to be mad then be mad at rosedale and kapor. The staff is just doing what they have been told to do.

I generally live at Jack's Office Hours, but I gave up on Blondin when he just sat there for minutes of silence, COMPLETELY ignoring my questions.

I mean, it is fine if he didn't have an answer for them, or even if he didn't want to answer them, but the complete level of disrespect for not even acknowledging them being asked was just, well, stupid and pointless. Why bother to have office hours if you're not going to talk with people who show up with concerns?

In contrast, I left Blondin's and went to Blue's right after, and Blue was more than happy to entertain my questions.

Talk to the Lindens? they have already censored most of the words I would use