Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions
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Lillani Lowell
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04-26-2009 16:42
From: Kara Spengler It will be pretty hard for LGBT places to be listed in search if you can not use "the s word" (transsexual, same sex, sexual diversity, homosexual, etc). Not to mention anyplace that specifically says "no sex" in their land description. I'm with Kara on this one. You'll be suppressing the LGBT communities with this kind of word banning. Hey guys, you're in San Fransisco, you should know better! 
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Brenda Connolly
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04-26-2009 16:43
Are the words "Fucking Idiots" on the list?
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Anabella Spark
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04-26-2009 16:43
From: Hia Paine Lets all convert to OPEN LIFE instead... Linden lab are apperently commiting suicide... And LL, for the record: YOU SUCK! This was NOT part of the deal when i orderd a SIM, give me back the money you assholes!
/HIA PAINE! I sign up for what you say. I pay USD$300 per month and I didn't sign up on being screwed up on the latest LL (Liars Liars) scam. I am interested in investing in Open Life project if we get enough of people who are willing to pay certain amount of money we can open our own company.
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Ilana Debevec
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04-26-2009 16:44
From: Kara Spengler It will be pretty hard for LGBT places to be listed in search if you can not use "the s word" (transsexual, same sex, sexual diversity, homosexual, etc). Not to mention anyplace that specifically says "no sex" in their land description. It's already too aggressive before this insanity, go try to search for "Bondage" in the existing search. Lots of results right? Now search for "Playground", still lots of hits. Now search for "Bondage Playground", place has been around forever... can't find it can you? bondAGE PLAYground. there's your reason why.
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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04-26-2009 16:48
From: Kara Spengler It will be pretty hard for LGBT places to be listed in search if you can not use "the s word" (transsexual, same sex, sexual diversity, homosexual, etc). Not to mention anyplace that specifically says "no sex" in their land description. merged words or misspellings are not filtered, only full words. so "Middlesex" as in the town in New Jersey, USA will not be filtered. "No Sex" would be, as the exact word appears. The other items you listed above would have to be tested individually. I tried 100 or so likely words, but I sure didnt try everything.
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Milla Janick
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04-26-2009 16:48
From: Kara Spengler It will be pretty hard for LGBT places to be listed in search if you can not use "the s word" (transsexual, same sex, sexual diversity, homosexual, etc). Not to mention anyplace that specifically says "no sex" in their land description. Words with "sex" in them (ie, homosexual, transexual) are not filtered. So the root word can be filtered, but the word built on it is not. Which leads to some interesting results. "Slut" is filtered, but "sluts" is not.
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Ilana Debevec
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04-26-2009 16:49
From: DanielRavenNest Noe merged words or misspellings are not filtered, only full words. Incorrect, look at the post above yours. Granted they may have corrected that in then 1.23 viewer, it's not fixed in existing ones (unless it's been fixed lately)
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Ann Otoole
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04-26-2009 16:50
From: Kara Spengler It will be pretty hard for LGBT places to be listed in search if you can not use "the s word" (transsexual, same sex, sexual diversity, homosexual, etc). Not to mention anyplace that specifically says "no sex" in their land description. hah! Of course this entire thing is a blatant attempt to drive the LBGT community out. I want LL to ban LBGT from their staff too. The deep pockets don't care and fully support this because it will eliminate most of their competition. They can withstand the hit. So what people do is tier down and wait. Stop spending. Then when the economy is totally dead and all the sims are empty and purple bordered see if LL is still standing. If so start over from scratch again. But advertise outside SL using effective techniques that ensures SL is even more well known for sex. If it is off LL's servers they can't touch it without risking lawsuits since they have long held forth in writing that stuff outside LL servers is none of their business. Of course Blondin made a statement that puts LL at odds with their own legal statements in their KB, etc. but then again I don't think Blondin is remotely qualified to discuss legal matters at all. If you can tread the internet without stumbling over a sex ad for SL then I guess we will have a lot of new residents.
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Ayla Holt
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04-26-2009 16:55
From: Lillani Lowell ,
While this may be a sarcastic statement, I can't tell in text...... honestly, my insight comes from trust. I trust that Linden Lab will do what's best for Second Life. They can see things that we can't..... they know things we don't..... and when they implement something, it's generally for a darn good reason.
I've seen all kinds of people say Linden Lab is stupid and ignorant and many other unpleasant things, but you know what..... Second Life is successful, nobody else is doing or has been about to do what Second Life is doing..... and Second Life is still constantly growing. If Linden Lab were either stupid or ignorant, Second Life would fail..... and it's certainly not failing. That's not the results from a company who don't know what they're doing..... sure, they make mistakes, but they fix them too. It was not sarcastic. I have paid attention to the decissions that LL has made since I started with my first avi in 2005 and some have been good and some have been very bad. I have no reason to trust that this is a good one. And they don't seem to want to clarify anything to ease our minds. I am happy that you can trust blindly. Hope that works out for you.
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Akira Luminos
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Adult keywords - merged or not
04-26-2009 16:55
OK, sounds like we need this REALLY clarifying before either the press get hold of it or LL start having their office windows bricked.
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Milla Janick
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04-26-2009 17:04
From: Ilana Debevec It's already too aggressive before this insanity, go try to search for "Bondage" in the existing search. Lots of results right?
Now search for "Playground", still lots of hits.
Now search for "Bondage Playground", place has been around forever...
can't find it can you?
bondAGE PLAYground.
there's your reason why. "Bondage" is filtered. "Age play" is not.
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Ayla Holt
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04-26-2009 17:05
From: Lillani Lowell Okay, here's something I addressed in another forum. People are talking about what they could lose in this change, the risks, etc. People are talking about losing money..... but, how many people are going to have their livelihoods challenged in this change?
its nuts how you can discount others and say you don't think you are better than anyone else. People do make rl money here that they use for household expenses. Some people have given up their rl jobs to work in sl. SL has been my rl job for 3 years now. I am lucky that it is a second income for my household and not needed. But others may not be as lucky and sl may be very important to them as their adult content places might provide food for their household. You don't know. You can't assume that nobody here makes enough to do that or needs it. I'm sorry if your business only brings you in a few hundred dollars a month. That is not the case with everyone.
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Ilana Debevec
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04-26-2009 17:09
From: Milla Janick "Bondage" is filtered. "Age play" is not. I stand corrected, they appear to have fixed it (just tried) Mea Culpa
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Akira Luminos
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/me facepalms
04-26-2009 17:10
Re: Adult keyword search list From: Milla Janick "Bondage" is filtered. "Age play" is not. LL - please publish the keyword list you are using - technical Residents will get there eventually anyhow, by firing dictionary terms into the latest release - why waste their time and open yourself up to days/weeks of bitter and damaging PR?
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Milla Janick
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04-26-2009 17:11
From: Ilana Debevec I said EXISTING VIEWERS, NOT 1.23 ??? "Bondage playground" shows up in the search in 1.22.11. Nothing is filtered in existing viewers.
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Tabliopa Underwood
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04-26-2009 17:16
From: Brenda Connolly Agreed. We can't go screaming about LL abrogating our freedoms of expression and in the next breath denounce someone for expressing theirs, no matter how much it is in vogue in RL right now. I agree also. I support content filtering. I support what google have done with their search engine (as useless as it is sometimes) and I support LL in its efforts to bring content filtering into SecondLife (as useless as that will be sometimes also). I support more though peoples right to protest, to express themselves freely and to fight for what they believe in, even when sometimes I disagree with their cause. And when they can show through their expressions, words and deeds that I am wrong then I will concede, take to myself what I have learned from them, some if not all, and hopefully be a better person for it.
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Ayla Holt
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04-26-2009 17:22
From: Tabliopa Underwood I agree also. I support content filtering. I support what google have done with their search engine (as useless as it is sometimes) and I support LL in its efforts to bring content filtering into SecondLife (as useless as that will be sometimes also).
I support more though peoples right to protest, to express themselves freely and to fight for what they believe in, even when sometimes I disagree with their cause. And when they can show through their expressions, words and deeds that I am wrong then I will concede, take to myself what I have learned from them, some if not all, and hopefully be a better person for it. I too support content filtering. I am just upset with the way LL is going about doing it. There are ways to do it with transparency to their users/ their customers. And it's something they should have done before they set PG regions bordering Mature regions and before they made the guildlines for PG and Mature. Just my opinion.
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Thorn Witrial
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04-26-2009 17:23
I guess LL just hates us.  Blondin, if you see this, that's how I feel. You hate us, you lie to us, you try to baffle us with BS. And yet you take our money. I really don't understand why this is happening.
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Milla Janick
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04-26-2009 17:37
From: Ayla Holt I too support content filtering. So do I, as long as it's done in an intelligent manner. I assume there will be some fine tuning of the system before it's rolled out in the official viewer. "Sex" is filtered, "Necrophilia" is not...
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Colette Meiji
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Serious Question!
04-26-2009 17:40
Serious Question!
Daniel,
I mean Blondin,
Why do people have to change their Adult descriptions to be Mature?
Why not just move them to Adult-Land for having Adult descriptions?
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Ann Otoole
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04-26-2009 17:43
From: Ayla Holt its nuts how you can discount others and say you don't think you are better than anyone else. People do make rl money here that they use for household expenses. Some people have given up their rl jobs to work in sl. SL has been my rl job for 3 years now. I am lucky that it is a second income for my household and not needed. But others may not be as lucky and sl may be very important to them as their adult content places might provide food for their household. You don't know. You can't assume that nobody here makes enough to do that or needs it. I'm sorry if your business only brings you in a few hundred dollars a month. That is not the case with everyone. Well the bondage and torture tools queen is over on xstreet saying the overwhelming outcry here is nothing and claims it is all just a few people posting over and over. Hey I wonder how many of those complaints about people dragging slaves around in public that fueled this entire debacle involved items she sold? If I was her I would not even be showing my face on this topic.
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Storyof Oh
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04-26-2009 17:47
Anyone requesting and being refused a free move to Ursula should be guaranteed immunity from any future AR's. If LL wont agree then a move MUST be allowed..? How about everyone that thinks their parcel belongs in adult on the new definition colours their roofs or displays a huge prim in an agreed colour then we can see the 2-4% clearly on the map  Everyone worrying about their store sales being hit in Ursula will probably find they wont be allowed to move anyway...Ursula wont have room for every store worried about their ad images...instead LL will want keywords and descriptions changed to stay where they are then they wont be found in search and their sales get hit..... Blondin says trying out demo animations even sexual ones would be allowed (as they havent room for all the furniture stores) therefore every strip club etc can keep their public sex poseballs providing they set them for sale....naturally at a price no one would actually pay......so people can try the demos  )
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Valerius Constantine
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04-26-2009 17:49
From: Lasher Oh It's not surprising - some trader have grown to the point where they have lost touch with the people and their roots which gave them a leg up - it's not just Linden Labs who can display crass disregard for the people who helped give them what they have today.
Most of the larger outfits, owners are, I expect, watching on with a certain bemusement as they already own their own islands away from mainland. Not their problem
They are not tasked with a massive rebuild or in fear of only half their parcel being transferred to the ghetto and if crass commercialism is at play too they will be sniggering all the way to the bank while they pick up extra business because the rest of us plebs will be struggling to get back on our feet.
However that store owner posted a similar arrogant sounding missive in xstreet forums and such stances show scant regard for the very people and establishments that have helped create her self proclaimed success.
I would however like to see some of the more eminent adult content providers come off the fence one way or the other - at least now when it comes to the future restocking our clubhouse I know one product provider that I will avoid like plaque
Not to mention the fact that the Adult goods and services people who own their own "adult"estates stand to make some money from the small operators who will have to rent space from them when Ursula fills up. Ironic that the dictatorshop is one of the merchants that I have avoided since I first saw their goods on xStreetSL. They have a lot of gall sneering at "crap" providers  I guess it takes one to know one. -V-
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Ayla Holt
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04-26-2009 17:50
From: Ann Otoole Well the bondage and torture tools queen is over on xstreet saying the overwhelming outcry here is nothing and claims it is all just a few people posting over and over.
Hey I wonder how many of those complaints about people dragging slaves around in public that fueled this entire debacle involved items she sold? If I was her I would not even be showing my face on this topic. lol thats funny.... over 5300 posts here with 99% of them against this. Funny that she can claim that its just the same people over and over. I didn't even get here until about post 3000 or later.
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Ayla Holt
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04-26-2009 17:54
From: Storyof Oh Blondin says trying out demo animations even sexual ones would be allowed (as they havent room for all the furniture stores) therefore every strip club etc can keep their public sex poseballs providing they set them for sale....naturally at a price no one would actually pay......so people can try the demos  ) Oh So smart!  We should be writing these down for people. We can create a webpage of SL work arounds 
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