Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions
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Kara Spengler
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04-27-2009 03:55
Magna CUM Laude Summa CUM Laude
See Lindens? Those are just two I thought of off the top of my head with very little sleep. You have some three-letter combinations, which will undoubtedly filter out many words that have nothing to do with what you are targeting. Especially in other languages.
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Monalisa Robbiani
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04-27-2009 04:02
From: Kara Spengler Magna CUM Laude Summa CUM Laude Want a list of foreign words that look like english naughty words or vice versa? How will the search handle the vast amount of languages used in SL? What about languages that use non-latin fonts? Plenty of naughty words there too. 
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Kirsty Shoreman
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emergency question
04-27-2009 04:06
Has anyone heard the story about LL losing six years' worth of computer code from the sexgen bed makers strokerz?
is this related to the clamp down on adult content?
/me thinks it's time for us to start creating a forum independent of LL
if anyone wants my RL email address let me know: i will let individuals know through the game while it's still running. I want a way to stay in touch with all the lovely people i have met here in case i am thrown out too, like strokerz.
I have a strange premonition that we have only a matter of months before this game gets shut down.
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Kara Spengler
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04-27-2009 04:06
From: Monalisa Robbiani Want a list of foreign words that look like english naughty words or vice versa? How will the search handle the vast amount of languages used in SL? What about languages that use non-latin fonts? Plenty of naughty words there too.  Yes please, my HS French has been offline for ages. I am extremely curious what will show up. Another one I just thought of .... since TIT is a no-no so much for some birds and titmice (guess no 'alice in wonderland' references, those are too adult).
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Kirsty Shoreman
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04-27-2009 04:09
From: Kara Spengler Yes please, my HS French has been offline for ages. I am extremely curious what will show up.
Another one I just thought of .... since TIT is a no-no so much for some birds and titmice (guess no 'alice in wonderland' references, those are too adult). There's a famous Belgian mathematician called Jacques Tits I guess Tits is a perfectly respectable surname in Belgium K
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Trivia question of the week
04-27-2009 04:52
What was the name of A. Hitler's German shepherd dog?
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Ryanna Enfield
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04-27-2009 05:04
From: Kirsty Shoreman Has anyone heard the story about LL losing six years' worth of computer code from the sexgen bed makers strokerz?
is this related to the clamp down on adult content?
/me thinks it's time for us to start creating a forum independent of LL
if anyone wants my RL email address let me know: i will let individuals know through the game while it's still running. I want a way to stay in touch with all the lovely people i have met here in case i am thrown out too, like strokerz.
I have a strange premonition that we have only a matter of months before this game gets shut down. Kirsty, can you site the source of where you heard this? As far as I knew, Strokerz was okay with the AC changes, but I might be wrong. In the meeting he attended, I couldn't tell whether he said anything or asked any questions, but there was some chat back in forth in the *I* Am Adult Content Group about people who had tried to contact hime and he seemed okay with the new changes. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, and also please if there is any validity to the above post, it would be appreciated if you can site the source. Thanks.
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04-27-2009 05:04
From: Qyxphzl Chau What was the name of A. Hitler's German shepherd dog? Blondi
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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No, variations and subwords are not filtered
04-27-2009 05:11
From: Kara Spengler Actually, heteroSEXual would be a naughty word according to their filter.  That is not correct. The filtering rules as I have discovered by test are posted on the wiki page, but here is the essence: * Capitalization does not matter, it is still filtered * Spelling does matter. o Use of one or zero instead of lowercase L or letter o makes a word unfiltered o Use of international characters such as tilde or umlaut makes a word unfiltered * Plurals mostly do matter and are not filtered * Splitting or joining filtered words do matter * Filtered words appearing as substrings within longer words are not filtered (use of words in other languages is unknown at the moment) So for example: ageplay = basic entry that is filtered AGEPLAY - still filtered agep1ay - not filtered Ãgéplåy - not filtered ageplays - not filtered age play - not filtered Regardless of editorial tricks, though, I would expect the governance team will slap you if you use any of those variations, and certainly if the activity is present. The real question, though, is how much policing of search can they do in practice? Last time I looked, there's 23,000 or so search entries under "sex" alone. How many of those people will use a word trick, and how many of them can be caught? Adding another word to the filter list will not take much time, chasing after thousands of search entries from thousands of people *will*
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Innula Zenovka
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04-27-2009 05:21
I'm confused by this word-filtering business. Does this mean that, if I want to use certain words in an advert, the place or event I'm publicizing has to be on an Adult sim, or that I can use these terms wherever the place I'm advertising is located but no one will see my adverts who is not age-verified? From my reading of the rules, there could be no objection to a shop on a Mature sim selling, for example, a slave cushion containing a variety of Gor and non-Gor submission poses, but how should the cushion be advertised? And where does this leave Gor, for heavens sake? Are the Goreans supposed to make all their sims Adult only? In practice, I guess they will have to.
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i've only just found this..
04-27-2009 05:23
http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2009/04/unsexed.htmlFrom: someone *snip*
However individual cases like these play out, Kend Linden expressed confidence that the Second Life community would come to embrace the guidelines, especially since they were derived from numerous open forums with Residents. "We literally took [their] input and channeled that into the definitions," he said. "We're working on the best ways to keep that discussion going." And in the end, the Lindens believe it's in the interest of Adult content providers to adhere, and migrate to their new continent. "I think the great majority of Adult spaces are going to self-categorize,' he told me. "For the rest of it we're just going to be very careful. We're going to have to be consistent and objective about this." For Second Life users as a whole, Kend Linden said, "the community to its credit... has enough invested in this platform that they follow the rules." *snip*
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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Search vs Activity or content
04-27-2009 05:24
One reading of what Blondin has said about changing a few words is this:
If you are just using popular adult words to get noticed in search, and it does not actually match the content or activity on your land, then you will not get to move.
I think that's fine, your search entry *should* match what's on your land, anything else is trying to game the system.
Now, the list of filtered words is pretty broad. If we are told the *words* are not OK to use, but the activity or content *is*, then I have a big problem. They should match.
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Kara Spengler
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04-27-2009 05:33
From: DanielRavenNest Noe That is not correct. The filtering rules as I have discovered by test are posted on the wiki page, but here is the essence:
* Capitalization does not matter, it is still filtered * Spelling does matter. o Use of one or zero instead of lowercase L or letter o makes a word unfiltered o Use of international characters such as tilde or umlaut makes a word unfiltered * Plurals mostly do matter and are not filtered * Splitting or joining filtered words do matter
So using your own rules 'heterosexual' would be filtered, right? Your rules(and examples) say nothing about filtered strings being a part of another string, except for the case of plural forms. BTW, in case capitalization is relevant: I only capitalized part of the example word to highlight the filtered sequence of characters.
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04-27-2009 05:33
From: Qyxphzl Chau What was the name of A. Hitler's German shepherd dog? Blondie not Blondin lol
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Kara Spengler
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04-27-2009 05:43
What about violence terms? Can I have a fan club for the author of 'An Inconvenient Truth'?
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04-27-2009 05:44
From: DanielRavenNest Noe ..... If you are just using popular adult words to get noticed in search, and it does not actually match the content or activity on your land, then you will not get to move. ..... There's another "you will not get to move" case. The brown bag meetings make clear that LL are not contemplating a swap unless there is a "significant" impact on the business of the landholder. In other words, you might have undeniably adult content available to the public on your advertised parcel but that won't qualify for a swap if someone in LL decides that you can get along without that content.
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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04-27-2009 05:46
From: Innula Zenovka I'm confused by this word-filtering business. Does this mean that, if I want to use certain words in an advert, the place or event I'm publicizing has to be on an Adult sim, or that I can use these terms wherever the place I'm advertising is located but no one will see my adverts who is not age-verified? From my reading of the rules, there could be no objection to a shop on a Mature sim selling, for example, a slave cushion containing a variety of Gor and non-Gor submission poses, but how should the cushion be advertised? And where does this leave Gor, for heavens sake? Are the Goreans supposed to make all their sims Adult only? In practice, I guess they will have to. We don't know yet about where you would have to be located. I do know that in the 1.23 version, the filtered words are not used if "adult" checkbox is unchecked. So a search for sex bed, is reduced to a search for bed. The adult checkbox is *optional* if you are verified. It is *greyed out* if you are not. We need a very clear answer from linden labs about *use of words in search* vs *activity or content on your land*. If they are not identical, then we get the situation you mention, where you have something for sale, but you can't effectively advertise it to everyone. As far as the Gorean roleplay sims, the choice seems to be flag the sims as adult, or not to advertise it in search. That's cause of the repeated statements that "private land will not be affected". How you effectively find new roleplayers becomes the question. One way would be to keep the roleplay sims themselves private, and to have a couple of advertising parcels, one adult, and one mature. The adult one can advertise "Gor Gorean", and the mature one can advertise "Fantasy roleplay based on the Books by John Norman", or whatever. Both parcels would have information how to find the actual roleplay areas (teleports, notecards, group invites, etc.) Re-direction like that is dumb and inefficient from our point of view, it would only exist as a side effect of the search words and actual activity or content not matching. From the point of view of land tier for linden labs, forcing multiple parcels is a good thing.
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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04-27-2009 05:53
From: Kara Spengler What about violence terms? Can I have a fan club for the author of 'An Inconvenient Truth'? These words are not filtered (yet): gore kill blood decapitate dismember torture So yes, Al Gore fan club is OK
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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04-27-2009 06:02
From: Kara Spengler So using your own rules 'heterosexual' would be filtered, right? Your rules(and examples) say nothing about filtered strings being a part of another string, except for the case of plural forms. No, its not, I edited my previous post to include this: Substrings which are filtered words and appear in longer words are not filtered
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04-27-2009 06:03
From: Sling Trebuchet There's another "you will not get to move" case. The brown bag meetings make clear that LL are not contemplating a swap unless there is a "significant" impact on the business of the landholder.
In other words, you might have undeniably adult content available to the public on your advertised parcel but that won't qualify for a swap if someone in LL decides that you can get along without that content. Yeah, that's what I'm understanding to be said, too. But I can't understand what they intend to do, then, with landowners whose content and advertised search terms are clearly Adult but there's not "significant" enough business impact. They'd either have to change the search terms for the landowner (  ), or... what? suspend the account for not having enough business to justify the use of Adult words? That would certainly be an interesting twist: only *significant* Adult businesses get to Ursula, according to Some Linden's assessment of "significant." In that case, Some Linden would have some scary power; power of which the policy definers themselves should be afraid.
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04-27-2009 06:07
From: Ann Otoole Why would anyone discuss methods to work around censorship on the censor's servers? I don't know why anyone selling Adult Content would want to work around the filter, as PG users are not their target market. Gaming the system that way would probably get them an AR, at least it should. Businesses selling Mature products & services would probably like to know what words to avoid using in their ads, so they aren't blocked from Mature searches.
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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04-27-2009 06:14
From: Sling Trebuchet There's another "you will not get to move" case. The brown bag meetings make clear that LL are not contemplating a swap unless there is a "significant" impact on the business of the landholder.
In other words, you might have undeniably adult content available to the public on your advertised parcel but that won't qualify for a swap if someone in LL decides that you can get along without that content. Yes, and so you get a situation where you may sell something, but can't advertise it, and might get in trouble if someone abuse reports you for having it. Then you get to choose between removing it entirely, splitting your business into mature and adult parts, or moving the whole thing and having to pay for the move. I don't think they have touched on the case of "multiple businesses or locations". For example, someone owns 4 malls in 4 locations, and wants to rearrange his tenants so 3 are mature and one is adult, and just move the adult one.
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Karin Sweetwater
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censorship
04-27-2009 06:20
From: Ann Otoole Why would anyone discuss methods to work around censorship on the censor's servers? Yes, why? Seems non-smart...
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Kara Spengler
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04-27-2009 06:25
From: DanielRavenNest Noe Substrings which are filtered words and appear in longer words are not filtered Ah, okay, thanks. It still does not address cases like where the proscribed words are used either in another context ('summa cum laude'), a negation ('no sex'), or as any translations into another language (like the Austrian town named 'Fucking').
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Ceera Murakami
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04-27-2009 06:28
From: Milla Janick I don't know why anyone selling Adult Content would want to work around the filter, as PG users are not their target market. Gaming the system that way would probably get them an AR, at least it should.
Businesses selling Mature products & services would probably like to know what words to avoid using in their ads, so they aren't blocked from Mature searches. Not only that, but ALL businesses, regardless of what they sell, should want to know which "banned words" might land them in the "Move to XXX land you pervert!" category, even when it is completely not applicable. If I was placing an ad for a G-rated beach vacation site, I could not post an ad stating "Absolutely no sex or XXX activities allowed on the parcel". More to my own case, I am a sim builder. I can't advertize that I am available to build "Anything from a Corporate headquarters to a private XXX dungeon.", even though I am NOT selling sex or sex toys, but just the architecture for the client to install their own dungeon furnishings in.
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