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Hypatia Meili
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04-27-2009 08:37
From: Kara Spengler
Actually, heteroSEXual would be a naughty word according to their filter. :)
I agree 'shemale' is problematic. While it is typically considered an insult in the transgendered community, there is no denying that some people choose to call themselves that and are not 'adult'.




The same with anyplace saying 'no sex' ... which you often find at nude beaches, LGBT places, welcome areas, and a lot of places in SL.

Of course, 'ageplay' itself is a problematic word. To use what SL typically wants you need a qualifier ... 'sexual ageplay' (oops, now can not use that qualifier). By definition, anyone with a character not their RL age is engaging in ageplay when they use SL. This is most easily seen with child avatars, who most often avoid all connotations of adult content anyways, but strictly speaking would apply to that 50 year-old who presents as someone in their 30s.
Actually what I think is supposed to be not allowed is "Underage Sexual Ageplay";(then again maybe they DO mean it to be broader then that) Meanwhile the AR category in the reporting tool simply say "Ageplay" with no further info provided. Linden Lab never has been any good with terms and definitions.

And note: There still is no actual mention of "Ageplay" in the TOS (or Community Standards) they simply added it to the things you can report somebody for. This is likely the same way they will handle AO(Adult Content :P ) issues, Incompetently and inconsistently.
Brenda Connolly
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04-27-2009 08:38
From: Argent Stonecutter
I got the impression they will notify them that they're in violation of the new "Adult Content" rules, and take action if they don't take action. Blondin has asked people to change search terms in previous exchanges.

I think this is the shonkiest part of the whole thing. Someone can get a clean bill of health from Some Linden then get asked to move (at ruinous cost) after the deadline has passed by Another Linden.


Does Another Linden have a bear?

I got my very first Linden Bear yesterday. I'm very puzzled why though, as I didn't ask anybody for one?
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Meade Paravane
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04-27-2009 08:38
From: Bez Violet
People keep talking about beating the filter... I don't think that's the point.

Do you really think Xcite wants kids in their Sim, and the potential lawsuits that come with it?

I think most places won't mind the filter, actually I think the opposite might be the problem. I know if I had a PG Sim, I'd find a way to make it just mature enough not to show up in the search, because I wouldn't want a lot of idiot kids running around in it. They're a pain.

Er.. How is ANYTHING that LL is planning going to keep RL kids out of anywhere?
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Anabella Spark
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04-27-2009 08:41
after over 19 000 negative posts... I say one thing to you LL guys...

...give us all a break...
Bez Violet
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04-27-2009 08:41
From: Meade Paravane
Er.. How is ANYTHING that LL is planning going to keep RL kids out of anywhere?


I meant in SL... we had two age verified kids in our Sim the other day running around with their 10 year old voices shouting dirty stuff and making jerks of themselves. I want this implemented, just properly. If they can't keep 10 year old out of our Sim with this, it doesn't help us in the least. If I had my own Sim I'd do whatever it takes to keep any kid behind the keyboard out of it, adult or not, because I don't want to put up with them. These kids had payment info, but were obviously pre teen, we don't want them.
Couldbe Yue
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04-27-2009 08:41
From: Brenda Connolly
Does Another Linden have a bear?

I got my very first Linden Bear yesterday. I'm very puzzled why though, as I didn't ask anybody for one?



it's quite remarkable that isn't it? There are some Lindens it seems who just want to share the love.
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Paw Pawpaw
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04-27-2009 08:42
From: Meade Paravane
Er.. How is ANYTHING that LL is planning going to keep RL kids out of anywhere?


Thats what any online business doesn't understand. That or they do it to please the alarmist adults who can't teach their children. Anybody of any age can pick up a prepaid Visa or use their parent's. Nothing will be accomplished with this but segregating and making life harder for those who aren't afraid of a scary SEX word or two.
Ann Otoole
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04-27-2009 08:42
The article on Massively puts a neat spin on this subject.

All this adult stuff was officially banned till now.

Now that is what I call the sea is half full viewpoint lol!
Milla Janick
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04-27-2009 08:42
From: Brenda Connolly
Does Another Linden have a bear?

I got my very first Linden Bear yesterday. I'm very puzzled why though, as I didn't ask anybody for one?

Was it Stalker Linden?

Hey, Blondin still hasn't given me his bear!
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Bez Violet
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04-27-2009 08:43
From: Paw Pawpaw
Thats what any online business doesn't understand. That or they do it to please the alarmist adults who can't teach their children. Anybody of any age can pick up a prepaid Visa or use their parent's. Nothing will be accomplished with this but segregating and making life harder for those who aren't afraid of a scary SEX word or two.


True PawPaw... if they freak out because the word "sex" is on the screen, they probably aren't up to SL anyway.
Couldbe Yue
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04-27-2009 08:44
From: Milla Janick
Was it Stalker Linden?

Hey, Blondin still hasn't given me his bear!



lol be grateful, after the last couple of weeks in here it would probably be ticking..
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Viciously Llewellyn
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04-27-2009 08:44
From: Bez Violet
People keep talking about beating the filter... I don't think that's the point.

Do you really think Xcite wants kids in their Sim, and the potential lawsuits that come with it?

I think most places won't mind the filter, actually I think the opposite might be the problem. I know if I had a PG Sim, I'd find a way to make it just mature enough not to show up in the search, because I wouldn't want a lot of idiot kids running around in it. They're a pain.


In a discussion with a friend this weekend, that has a pretty thriving adult business, I was amazed to hear her say that she supports these measures, but wishes they would have limited it to age verified only and not PIOF.

She also indicated that several vendors she knows, along with her, have been heavily lobbying the Lindens for quite some time about offering more protection from children accessing their merchandise and clubs.

I guess they weren't blowing smoke when they said that some adult vendors were asking for this.
Brenda Connolly
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04-27-2009 08:46
From: DanielRavenNest Noe
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This. In the time I've been in SL, just about every major policy move has seemingly been done Back Room style. They throw out a token announcement, ask for some to be ignored feedback, and sometimes even throw ourt something unrelated as a diversion. This proposed changed is the most far reaching of any I have seen, I don't care who buys into the 2-4%. They should have their feet held to the fire on this one, and if it is going to happen, without no hope of alteration based on our input, total transparency and concise definition should be demanded. To do any less would shatter any trust and credibilty LL has with it's current customers, even if it is giving a sign to the cutomer of the future they covet.
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Meade Paravane
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04-27-2009 08:46
From: Bez Violet
From: Meade Paravane
Er.. How is ANYTHING that LL is planning going to keep RL kids out of anywhere?

I meant in SL... we had two age verified kids in our Sim the other day running around with their 10 year old voices shouting dirty stuff and making jerks of themselves. I want this implemented, just properly. If they can't keep 10 year old out of our Sim with this, it doesn't help us in the least. If I had my own Sim I'd do whatever it takes to keep any kid behind the keyboard out of it, adult or not, because I don't want to put up with them. These kids had payment info, but were obviously pre teen, we don't want them.

I think I'm confused.. Damn Mondays..

Are we agreeing that the proposed adult content project isn't going to prevent RL kids from getting into SL and being 'verified'?
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-27-2009 08:47
From: Bez Violet
Why is it *our* job to protect the kids on SL, when it's their parents that should be looking after them? Why the heck is it my job? If you want to protect kids, don't let them go somewhere they might see adult content. I don't have kids, don't want kids, couldn't take care of them. If you leave it up to protect kids I will fail.
This isn't about protecting kids. This is about courting companies to get them to hold meetings in SL, according to Meta Linden.
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Ayla Holt
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04-27-2009 08:49
From: Bez Violet
People keep talking about beating the filter... I don't think that's the point.

Do you really think Xcite wants kids in their Sim, and the potential lawsuits that come with it?

I think most places won't mind the filter, actually I think the opposite might be the problem. I know if I had a PG Sim, I'd find a way to make it just mature enough not to show up in the search, because I wouldn't want a lot of idiot kids running around in it. They're a pain.



Ummmmm....... nobody has to worry about that type of lawsuit. When you create an avi for the adult grid you check the box that states that you read and understood the TOS. Which means you state that you are 18 years or older. Sooooo... in theary there are no children in SL to go to places like xcite. :) Of course we know that isn't true. But we are allowed to assume that we are all adults there.

The problem is that LL knows it has allowed children in and now they want to figure out a way to cover up their mistake.

I won't mind the filters either if they are done right. And if everyone who wants to put the word "sex" or "shemale" into their land discriptions gets the option to move their current mature land to the ursula land.

Seems that LL will be picking and choosing who they want to move their. ALL mature land owners should be given that option and allowed to be moved within the first month or so of the change. And after that they can take the option off the table for those who choose to stay on the mature mainland. That won't happen though. And we all know that.
Brenda Connolly
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04-27-2009 08:49
From: Argent Stonecutter
This isn't about protecting kids. This is about courting companies to get them to hold meetings in SL, according to Meta Linden.

Which they can do in their own isolated secure sims. Why the need to roust the house?

*That is a rhetorical question.
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Bez Violet
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04-27-2009 08:50
From: Meade Paravane
I think I'm confused.. Damn Mondays..

Are we agreeing that the proposed adult content project isn't going to prevent RL kids from getting into SL and being 'verified'?


Want a list?

I've heard at least 5 pre teen voices on Sl, in an adult Sim, with payment info on file. All they have to do is reach into mom's purse, write down the number, type it into SL.

And yes, I'm saying, keep the kids out.
Paw Pawpaw
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04-27-2009 08:51
From: Brenda Connolly
This. In the time I've been in SL, just about every major policy move has seemingly been done Back Room style. They throw out a token announcement, ask for some to be ignored feedback, and sometimes even throw ourt something unrelated as a diversion. This proposed changed is the most far reaching of any I have seen, I don't care who buys into the 2-4%. They should have their feet held to the fire on this one, and if it is going to happen, without no hope of alteration based on our input, total transparency and concise definition should be demanded. To do any less would shatter any trust and credibilty LL has with it's current customers, even if it is giving a sign to the cutomer of the future they covet.


This is by far the best description I have read yet. Don't trust any corporation whose interests are money with what is in their memos or press releases to the public. This needs to be investigated, the Lindens need to be questioned endlessly and our future as a group of people with common interests must be supported by US. The corporation will never have our best interests at heart. Make yourselves heard. This is not a form of hate, this is a form of progressive action that needs to be taken by the population to secure it's best interests.
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04-27-2009 08:51
From: Viciously Llewellyn
I guess they weren't blowing smoke when they said that some adult vendors were asking for this.
I guess they're already in the loop on getting a land swap. Why should they care about all the people who can't?
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Talarus Luan
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04-27-2009 08:52


"You WILL come to love our new Adult Gulag!"
"You have TOO MUCH invested in us to not love our new Adult Gulag!"
"You WILL comply!"
"ALL YOUR ADULT ARE BELONG TO US!"

ORLY?

Clearly, the Lindens have become completely out of touch with their customers. Methinks they are in for a serious SERIOUS wakeup call.
Meade Paravane
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04-27-2009 08:53
From: Argent Stonecutter
This isn't about protecting kids. This is about courting companies to get them to hold meetings in SL, according to Meta Linden.

I read Metas comments as being more about changing public perception of SL being one giant smutland..

LL is also tackling this by changing Welcome Areas, the places that they force newbies onto, to be Mature instead of PG. Uh.. Not sure how that helps, though - do they judge an areas successfulness based on the number of valid ARs there?
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04-27-2009 08:54
From: Ayla Holt
And if everyone who wants to put the word "sex" or "shemale" into their land descriptions gets the option to move their current mature land to the Ursula land.
That would be acceptable, so long as they make sure every knows what the magic words are, and everyone who asked got accepted for the swap.
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04-27-2009 08:54
From: Viciously Llewellyn
I guess they weren't blowing smoke when they said that some adult vendors were asking for this.

Are they really getting what they're asking for?

I'm all for keeping kids off the main grid, but it seems this is a pretty half assed way of going about it.

Since SL is fundamentally an 18+ service, and this plan does not screen out all Adult Content from areas unverified residents have access to, why aren't all residents being required to provide payment information instead of just the ones traveling to Ursula?

The bucket has a hole in it, and they're only patching 2-4% of the hole.

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04-27-2009 08:54
From: Bez Violet
And yes, I'm saying, keep the kids out.

Ok.. And you think the new adult content plan is going to help with that or not?
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