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04-27-2009 10:34
From: Brenda Connolly
Does Another Linden have a bear?

I got my very first Linden Bear yesterday. I'm very puzzled why though, as I didn't ask anybody for one?


R U FIC?? lmao
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04-27-2009 10:35
From: Thorn Witrial
I'm getting really tired of Blondin's use of the word 'probably'.


Me too. But save those posts! They're your only defense when the G Team comes to call.
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04-27-2009 10:35
From: Meade Paravane
Er.. How is ANYTHING that LL is planning going to keep RL kids out of anywhere?


I so agree its far easier for them to get into the main grid than the Teen grid and thats a fact :)
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04-27-2009 10:36
From: Mosley Sperber


Wow. You've got big tits. :D
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04-27-2009 10:38
From: DanielRavenNest Noe
Even more important than what his answers are, are whether his answers count. If the sole official word is the Knowledge Base and Blog, nothing he says here matters.

So, Mr Blondin Linden, are your answers here official policy for Linden Labs, or just your informed opinion?


I don't know what are the laws in your country. In Brazil, an employee saying anything while in duty has force as a legal contract. If LL were based in Brazil, all that I have to do was quote Blondin's answers and go to the nearest "tribunal of small cases" (sp?) to get it enforced.

Unfortunately, LL is not a Brazilian company :(
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04-27-2009 10:39
From: Arizona Davies
I know that I have asked before, and maybe it was answered in the 299 pages and over 4400 enteries and if someone could direct me to the information thank you.

I, as others here have stated, have looked long and hard to find good location on the mainland. I have over 1/2 a region that is protected on two sides with Linden water. If I need to move because we do at times have adult events (Topless Thursdays) how will I be able to get like type land if I move to the adult area? Can I keep some of my current land and give up a portion of it for the adult area?

Thanks



Here is a link for you.

https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2009/04/21/update--upcoming-changes-for-adult-content

I believe you will find your information you are seeking in the Landowner section of the Brown Bag meeting minutes. Many of the other questions in this forum may find some information useful from the other Brown Bag meetings.
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04-27-2009 10:46
From: Vania Chaplin
From what I've understand on the search thing, if my business advert says "join the group against sexual discrimination", it will not appear in search for non-adult because it has the word "sexual", even if the search is made with the word "discrimination"


Nope, wrong on two counts:

(1) sexual is not on the filtered list

(2) I tested with a non-filtered word (oral) and had lots of results with filtered words show up (bukkake bliss, for example)
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04-27-2009 10:54
From: Viciously Llewellyn
In a discussion with a friend this weekend, that has a pretty thriving adult business, I was amazed to hear her say that she supports these measures, but wishes they would have limited it to age verified only and not PIOF.

She also indicated that several vendors she knows, along with her, have been heavily lobbying the Lindens for quite some time about offering more protection from children accessing their merchandise and clubs.

I guess they weren't blowing smoke when they said that some adult vendors were asking for this.


The problem is here when people start lobbying LL they often don't realize the damage they potentially cause when LL acts. Age verified or PIU or PIOF will not change what is happening now one iota.

Aristotle is broke and you can verify with any type of information as has been shown and as others say pre paid CC are so easy to get hold of in fact in the UK you only have to be 13 to have one lol and parents who don't know or don't care what their kids do online will continue to let little Jimmy use their credit card to buy a game called SL

Kids will continue to come to the grid go on your friends sites and buy their stuff as it is far easier to do this than to get onto the teen grid. In fact i think doing this will encourage the kids even more as they will know LL has put all the good stuff in one place so try even harder to get on the adult lands.

Just my opinion though :)
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04-27-2009 11:01
From: Lindal Kidd
Me too. But save those posts! They're your only defense when the G Team comes to call.


That's not much of a defense.

By the time you get to use them, the response may very well be "Blondin who?". :rolleyes:

Even still, the G-Team doesn't answer to Blondin. They answer to Jack, and to their interpretation of the then-current ToS and policy guidelines. Anything Blondin says in the forums is more or less his "opinion", and will hardly count for anything when the time comes to defend yourself from their actions.
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04-27-2009 11:03
From: Anabella Spark
btw..stuff like that goes live on TV. And it's ok?

Shepard Smith: We Do Not F**king Torture!"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/22/shepard-smith-torture_n_190350.html


This is one of a series of adverts on Dutch TV at the moment during early evening and they use rude words lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCuwHf94Isk
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04-27-2009 11:05
I know, Tal. That was my point.

Blondin's assurances here mean nothing, even with his wishy-washy qualifiers like "probably".
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04-27-2009 11:07
From: Lindal Kidd
This is a key point.

I'm quite sure that adult content vendors have asked for better zoning. I'm quite sure they've asked for better protection against underage players.

The problem is that LL is spinning us. They are citing these quite reasonable requests as indications that the adult content vendors are in favor of THIS particular implementation.

And that's yet another lie.

Of all the adult content vendors...club owners, content creators...that I've heard from only ONE has spoken in favor of LL's proposed policy.

It's just like LL's policy on Open Space/Homestead sims. They said, "We've heard you, and we're making the following changes..." when it was crystal clear that they had not heard and responded with a satisfactory set of changes at all.


Sensible Linden : Some of the Adult content creators are asking we tighten up on the rules. They don't want their stuff offending people needlessly, or getting seen by kids. We should make an effort to enforce the Tos and land use rules.

Hysterical Linden: ZOMFG ELEVEN....No, they obviously want us to totally turn everything upside down and inside out. Can't you see that . WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE????? ELEVEN.

M Linden #1: Who is that young go getter, M? I like his style.

M Linden #2: Homer Simpson, sir.
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04-27-2009 11:08
From: Lord Sullivan
R U FIC?? lmao


OMG! I've been set up!!!!!!!!! :eek:
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04-27-2009 11:11
From: Lindal Kidd
I know, Tal. That was my point.

Blondin's assurances here mean nothing, even with his wishy-washy qualifiers like "probably".


Oh I see what the problem was.. I missed the closing </sarcasm> tag. Stupid PhirePhlox browser! :p
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04-27-2009 11:15
From: Brenda Connolly
OMG! I've been set up!!!!!!!!! :eek:



/me grabs Brenda and gives her a shake...


Settle down girl, can't you see they're trying to divide us by their policy of "spreading the love?"
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04-27-2009 11:17
From: Vania Chaplin
I don't know what are the laws in your country. In Brazil, an employee saying anything while in duty has force as a legal contract. If LL were based in Brazil, all that I have to do was quote Blondin's answers and go to the nearest "tribunal of small cases" (sp?) to get it enforced.

Unfortunately, LL is not a Brazilian company :(


USA business law has a concept of "agency". If it appears to a reasonable person that a person is acting as an authorized agent, then they are. For example, a sales clerk in a store in real life offers to give you an extended warranty on a product for free, and puts that in writing. You can rely on that deal being upheld if it is a reasonable thing to think.

Looking back to the start of this thread, Blue Linden says:

"Thank you very much for your ongoing feedback! We have closed the previous thread in order to compile and provide some answers to questions in the hopes that we can further the discussion. Please do feel free to join the conversation!"

Feedback, discussion, and conversation does not say to me "this is final and official". If Blondin specifically answers my question that his answers are authorized and set policy, then we have every expectation that we can rely on that statement. If he does not, then I would expect the final blog and knowledge base pages to be controlling.
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04-27-2009 11:20
From: DanielRavenNest Noe
USA business law has a concept of "agency". If it appears to a reasonable person that a person is acting as an authorized agent, then they are. For example, a sales clerk in a store in real life offers to give you an extended warranty on a product for free, and puts that in writing. You can rely on that deal being upheld if it is a reasonable thing to think.

Looking back to the start of this thread, Blue Linden says:

"Thank you very much for your ongoing feedback! We have closed the previous thread in order to compile and provide some answers to questions in the hopes that we can further the discussion. Please do feel free to join the conversation!"

Feedback, discussion, and conversation does not say to me "this is final and official". If Blondin specifically answers my question that his answers are authorized and set policy, then we have every expectation that we can rely on that statement. If he does not, then I would expect the final blog and knowledge base pages to be controlling.


So...basically Blondin is a dangling piece of meat on a stick to keep us all entertained and out of the way.
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04-27-2009 11:24
From: Meade Paravane
I'd rather that people who were in favor of this would speak up some more. The few that I've talked to seemed to take LLs word that this was a really great project and didn't think it through much more than that.

It would be nice if people who supported the project could speak up and explain their views without having everybody jumping on them. If what they think LL is doing turns out to be incorrect, talking will work better than screaming.

I wouldn't mind having a moderator step up to keep this thread more on-focus and less hostile to people with different views. I'm disappointed in LL that they sent us here to discuss one of the hottest topics without any moderation...


I've been reading posts and posting posts for days now and I have only seen ONE person who got "jumped on". And the reason for that didn't seem to be his/her viewpoint on this situation but more the way in which she/he came across. Basically the rudeness of his/her first post that turned everyone off.

I haven't really noticed anyone "screaming" either. So I'm not really sure why anyone would be scared to post their viewpoint here. If they believe in something then they should fight for it. That's what the people on this forum are doing.

And we are all adults (at least I think we are). I think we can handle someone with another opinion coming in on the debate. The simple fact is there just aren't that many with that opinion. They are not staying away because they are fightened no more than people on the other side of the debate are staying away. The fact is that the supporter of this are low in numbers and that is why you don't see many posts from them.
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04-27-2009 11:26
From: Anabella Spark

Escort is completely not adult.


There is a very nice dance poseball set called "escort", where the animation involves the gentleman avatar escorting the lady avatar to the dance floor. It's made by Carmen Watanabe and is very popular in ballroom-style clubs.

All of which I guess will now be tarred with the Adult Content brush and excluded from search. :P


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04-27-2009 11:26
From: Thorn Witrial
So...basically Blondin is a dangling piece of meat on a stick to keep us all entertained and out of the way.


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04-27-2009 11:31
From: Paw Pawpaw
Some people's attitudes toward this sound eerily familiar: "This doesn't directly affect me at this very moment. Therefore I don't care."

This is about rights, weather you use them or not they should be ours to make the decision over.

"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." -Einstein

"Most human beings have an infinite capacity for taking things for granted."
-Aldous Huxley


A timely reminder.

Thanks for posting it :)
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04-27-2009 11:32
From: Thorn Witrial
So...basically Blondin is a dangling piece of meat on a stick to keep us all entertained and out of the way.


Not at all. It's reasonable and honest for him to be a go-between from us to the rest of the Linden staff who are doing the policy setting and software coding. Collecting our ideas and opinions one way, and sending back his best understanding of the evolving policy the other way.

I think it would help if he made that clearer. Simply being a Linden, and giving answers, gives some appearance of "this is official". Remember what Blue Linden said at the very start of this thread: Feedback, discussion, conversation. Not "final interpretation of policy to be used by governance team"

I suggest once a day, Blondin says something like "my answers are based on my current understanding of a not yet final policy".
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04-27-2009 11:35
From: DanielRavenNest Noe
Feedback, discussion, and conversation does not say to me "this is final and official". If Blondin specifically answers my question that his answers are authorized and set policy, then we have every expectation that we can rely on that statement. If he does not, then I would expect the final blog and knowledge base pages to be controlling.

The answers we've been getting need to be incorporated into the policy. Residents deserve assurances that actions they take in Mature regions based on the information we have been given here are acceptable by LL's guidelines.
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04-27-2009 11:40
From: Ann Otoole
Since I have no perv balls or any of that stuff I won't qualify to move. But that means I won't be able to advertise the stuff i made to wear that needs to be described as useful for adult activities. And since you can't advertise these things outside of the place you will not be allowed to move to then Linden Lab is effectively putting businesses down. The FTC might be interested in this since it is interesting that a company could have sold a platform as an international commerce platform for years luring thousands of people to give them millions of dollars and then said company forms what is tantamount to their own government with regulations and laws without representation and then commences deciding who can be in business for what.

So the solution is simple. Second Life is no longer a business platform. Except for people stealing trademarks and copyrighted content. some people are making over a million dollars USD a year at blatant theft. LL is getting loads of cash from those operations with the knowledge that there is stolen content and stolen trademarks being sold. Reporting known trademark infringement is not allowed.

Great place for criminal operations.


Ann where can I start digging for this information in the last paragraph? feel free to PM or email me :)

Thanks in advance
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04-27-2009 11:41
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So...basically Blondin is a dangling piece of meat on a stick to keep us all entertained and out of the way.
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