Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

I predict they will close this thread on Monday to "read, digest and compile the information."

Is the Unicorn *for* or *against* the changes? if it's *for*, meta and magus will count it anyway!

-V-

LOL its cute how you think they care enough to read this.

I'm kidding of course.

Or am I?

I'm trying to be less cute, but it's not easy. Apparently, my cuteness is at toxic levels.

In all seriousness, if this thread gets closed, and they chop up the forum on Xstreet, where are we going to meet to talk about this?

to ourselves, in a dark corner

Yes. Is nuts the way PG and M sims are mixed up. My Home on a PG mainland sim on a block of 4 PG sims stuck in the middle of a sea of M sims. And I right on the PG-M border. Is no biggie to me personally and my neighbours across the border are good people, as is my PG neighbour, and we all mind our own business. The PG sims shouldnt be there really though. I not mind at all if we were pulled out of there and put somewhere else in the world and these sims re-rated to M. I think will happen one day as well. Soon even.

Maybe not all PG regions can be re-rated but given that there is going to be upto 250 somethings sims of M land go into the land bank then would seem to me to be an opportunity to do a bit of rearranging on existing mainland before that land is put back up for auction.

It won't matter.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Arapaima/131/170/22

BAsed on their XstreetSL inventory, Dictatorshop doesn't have a very broad appeal they're neither kinky enough, nor stylish enough, and I find their stuff to be *incredibly* basic. I doubt that according to blondin's definitions, they would even trip the "yougottamove-o-meter".

-V-

I was just about to go to bed when I thought I'd slope into fetlife to see if I'd had a response to the threads I'd started.. and one of the responses sent me back to the links so i could get the correct information to post..

is it my imagination or has the information on these links changed?

About Maturity Ratings https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6010

Adult-oriented content controls FAQ https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6032

I swear they were more explicit before.. yet the last modified date is the same..

have i missed a link somewhere?? I think I might just wait until tomorrow, unless someone fancies stepping into fetlife to take up the baton (I have to be up in 5 hrs, these late nights are killing me..lol)

if anyone fancies the challenge these are my two threads
http://fetlife.com/groups/147/group_posts/155732

http://fetlife.com/groups/3123/group_posts/155734

if you don't have an account it's pointless clicking on them.

night everyone

hmmm toxic cuteness.... I want that. Can I buy that on xstreet?

Just a comment- A "boycott" is a well-organized mass-protest tactic. One person can't boycott by themselves, all one person can do is say "What a *dick*! I'm not spending another dime on that jerk!"

That's what folks are *calling* a boycott. Me, I call it natural consequences of being a troll in a public forum.

But those who are saying that boycotting adult merchants who support the changes is aiming your gun in the wrong direction are correct. It should be aimed at LL, provide that you can do it without shooting yourself in the process.

-V-

LOL

will never happen. But awesome point.

I've got the card i've even put anote on my profile about these canges, is there anywhere else but here I can go to to complain in freedom? fretlife or something wasnt it? or is that for special other things? I know it seem's we are stuck with this but we may as well fight all we can. Funny thing is I was probably one of these 'new users' they are trying to target, I had no idea about the sex at all in SL but I loved its freedom soon as I found it, so really them saying its to attract new people makes no sense to me. I mean obviously i've not jsut found the sex parts but thats all part of it, I can go to a normal club dance around make friends, go to a star wars or a rpg sim have a fight or a laugh and have some 'adult' fun when i'm done with all that.

And P.S LL if you want this get the damn detector to work right, I am PIOF and Age verified yet it still tells me I am not even though on the website it says clearly I am. Am I also going to get a refund for all the stuff I can no longer use if this goes through because your scanner is broken? I.E dare i say it willies, realistic skins, boobs, even probably some of my domme clothes, I mean a refund from LL not the vendor, the vendors are doing nothing wrong. Additionally I like the look so am i being also punished for dressing in a goth or Domme way weather I activly take part in such things or not humm?

PPS thanks Lord sullivan I was having some trouble convincing people all this was real now I can say AH HA but I have backing!

The internet is big. Linden Village too. Arapaima also. And even this forum has space for new threads.

Actually ....

Join the "*I* am adult content" group and look in the notices. There are prims with a huge A on them (shades of the Scarlet Letter) for hovering over your land so they will show up on the map.

Y'know- kids could learn to get around a lot quicker if we take their legs away and strap them to motorized wheelchairs. After all, they'll get from point a to point b. what difference does it make how they get there? and motorized wheelchairs are a lot more efficient...

I understand your point- But the fact that all mainland "adult" content will be stuffed in close proximity, cheek by jowel will negate any advantage that accrues from the lack of NPIOF campers and as someone here mentioned, kill any affiliate programs- they'll all have to be in places carrying the same kind of content.- on Ursula.

Of course, the Private estates will still have room, except that the rate of NPIOF shoppers isn't 1% in those places. the folks who have checked say that its more like 40%, and gets as high as 60% depending on the business.

I really don't think that these changes are as good an idea as you seem to. And you are taking one aspect of the changes (account verification for adult content), and ignoring the rest.

-forced relocation of *some* at the landowner's expense
-*lack* of account verification for "PG" and "Mature" land which will still have as many bots/campers as ever
-Just as many Adult merchants and venues on "mature" land as ever, thanks to Blondin's helpful hints about how to game the search engine, and the fact that LL won;t be offering a land swap to anyone who can just "change a few search terms"... LIke *your* business.
-Unclear definitions that practically guarantee that any adult merchant will be AR'd- *frequently*.
-and a few other things, like the class/action lawsuit waiting in the wings as soon as LL changes the terms of the purchase contract on Mature land, and render it worthless to the people who are paying for it.

The people on this thread aren't against what LL *says* they want top do. we're (for the most part) against the way they are *doing* it. their plan won't work, and it won't provide the benefits that you claim. You cannot get the benefits that you claim without blanket limitations on unverified accounts, and LL isn't getting rid of them. they are merely forcing them to go to the black market for *some* of their content. they can still make account and camp to their heart's content.

To paraphrase Inigo Montoya, I do not think it does what you think it does.

-V-

It doesn't matter what "business" you are in; with these changes, ALL in-world businesses are seeing some form of risk; some more directly than others.

For me, I stand to lose several thousand dollars of investment in land, tier, and time building my mall/store. I also stand to lose income (I do a lot of custom work for all kinds of customers; some of them are adult content makers, and if they are impacted, so will I) as well, not the least of which will be from the downturn in the SL economy that this move will most likely trigger.



I don't think you are out of touch, I do believe you are a little oblivious to the dangers of what LL is doing with this policy, and are seriously underestimating the risks involved, as well as how the resident base will react to it. It won't be just Adult Content businesses being impacted by these changes, either. It's going to hit a large cross-section of the resident base, both in terms of producers AND consumers of all kinds of content.



Knowingly? Of course not. The unknown, however, is another question. In the end, you will have to run your business on the best risk assessment you can muster; I would definitely take a long, hard look at what other people are saying in the forums and elsewhere, though. A good risk assessment doesn't dismiss other points of view out-of-hand.



A LITTLE initial hardship? How big is your store? Is it on the mainland? If so, what are you going to do if you don't win the Ursula Subjective Land Lottery? You won't be able to advertise your wares anymore with filtered terms. Let's say you do win, though; do you have a whole sim's complex build to move?

What is different / better now with this version of age verification, as opposed to the previous version? What is it about "this time around" that makes it so?

People are saying "screw it" right now, before the policy is even finalized (well, if you believe that, anyway; my contention is that it was finalized months ago, and this is all a big PR push in an attempt at "damage control". As time goes on, and more people find out about it, how do you think they will react? They will be even more blind-sided by it than we have been.

The adult market will definitely become more "efficient", if you use that as a codeword for "smaller, less choice".



Nothing was "locked away behind a verification system"; there was no attempt to filter content, and payment info on file is not considered by ANYONE as proof of age suitable for verification purposes. So, no, that analogy doesn't work.



Barring the incorrect analogy, it will do serious damage to SL on a number of fronts:

1) Force businesses to move or die, even and especially non-"crappy" businesses.
2) Force residents to hide their activities, and drive their creative expression underground, for fear of being ARed and sent to the Adult Gulag.
3) Adult businesses that depend on workers and/or customers who haven't/can't verify (yes, you CAN still buy things without having payment info on file/used; you work for L$, and spend those L$; don't discount those sales, as there are an awful lot of them) will be severely impacted.
4) Land market collapse -- this has many facets:
a) People bought Mature land for the freedom to do what they wanted. When that is no longer the case, and investment is at risk because:
b) With the move of THOUSANDS of adult businesses, venues, and attractions, the existing mainland will be cratered with abandoned / for sale land; the end result of which will be the bottom dropping out of the land market, most likely causing the price to tumble to L$1/sqm and below.
c) Ursula will have to be massively expanded to handle the influx; LL will have to expand Ursula quickly, or folks will just tier down in frustration.
d) Land speculation will run rampant on Ursula unless LL commits to unlimited expansion of Adult land.
5) The types of customers this move is aimed towards are NOT going to buy Adult Content, and will instead further seek to ostracize and minimalize it, and the businesses which sell it.
6) Existing residents, fed up with the whole ordeal, will just take their entertainment money elsewhere.

I can go on and on, but I don't see any silver lining in any of this; not for adult content creators, not for LL, nor for any residents but the TINY minority clamoring for this nanny state.

Again, I ask, WHAT is it about the policy which is "good" or desirable? I mean, you must have some reason to support it outside of simple faith in LL "doing the right thing", right?

Additionally, an explicit guarantee that private residences are immune from being AR'd for unadvertised adult content.

Not to mention the fact that the "mature" strip joint and bondage supply store will still be able to pay all the unverified campers they like- access to *their* goods and services won't be limited to verified accounts.

-V-

That's one usage, but not the only correct one. It is just as correct to use it in an individual sense. I do agree that individual boycotts don't mean a whole lot, though, and usually means the person so claiming it is being irrational, but that is not always the case.

Now as you guys know I am totally against HOW they are doing this, but humm once you are verified for adult stuff will the fltered words still count or will they no longer be filtered, meaning fully age verified people can indeed randomly buy 'adult' stuff because they and ONLY they can then see it. Is that how it will work? Is there any info on this, if not maybe this would be a good idea?

I realsie the real danger is other than word of mouth how will adult companies get noticed at all, how will they advertise? will they have to use oddly worded advertisements, will LL set up boards saying there is a palce for those with more 'adult' desires? will there be ever a totally seperate adult grid? things like this seem to be big worries.

And yes I too agree that some people should get immunity from AR's its onlyy fair if the definitions are so ambigious. if thats the right word.

Additionally this probably wont stop what LL wants it to stop for example msot adult places I know of are very good with the warnings and are actually pretty sharp on people who cause trouble, i know ive even been Barred from one or two for being admittidly a bit silly. The Point is though the things LL want to stop wont be stopped by this, will this stop someone none verified coming to the welcome spot and having a script to rain cocks on people? to make their own cocks? to have verbal cyber sex in shouts? to be arseholes? nope this wont stop that at all. All this seems tob e doing is punishing the responsible and the innocent.

Anyway said all im going to say for now, I am going to sit out of this forum for a little while, and see what happens. Who knows we may soon get some good news?! You never know blind optimism can sometimes work...what?! lol

Verified users will be able to include *most* of the filtered keywords. A few words are completely blocked. Those words are blocked from searches now, and have been for some time I believe.

Because this time, they will be locking away *some* adult content and not others, and they will still be allowing all the "freebie" accounts for everything *but* "adult" land.

-V-