Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Its still there i just checked well Consie did

you'll just have to wait until I can get back inworld to grab it..

Your better half is up on the group now as well as a couple of others.. Check out the one from Lasher.. Fabulous

Here's the group http://www.flickr.com/groups/we_are_adult_content/

here's the link to the toy.. Grab it before LL take it down.. if they've pulled the ad then it's possible they'll pull the item

https://uncensored.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1416611

Not sure what betamax is. Sounds like some kinda breakfast cereal maybe or dogfood even =) Still, LL will do whatever it does, I still be here though and if I the last avatar standing then I wont turn out the lights, I just trigger every lulz bomb I got and the last Linden standing will have to shoot me to get rid of me, assuming I dont get them first =)

it's the advertising that it looks like they've pulled - ie the eyeballs that see it on the marketplace home page (it shows 6 items at a time cycling through every 30 seconds). This is what we paid for and this is what we're not getting.

Whether they decide to pull the item is an interesting thing.. they don't care that we're sitting around dissing them here an on the xsl forum (they can keep an eye on us i suppose) but actually doing something that may harm them could be another matter all together.

we'll see how it plays out

I wonder if the definition of "Adult" is so confusing because they need to keep changing it to accommodate how many spaces they have.

"all that content would be adult, but we are out of room"

"tell them to change the wording on their land description instead!"

You won't find anyone opposed to "rating" things properly to help people make an informed choice as to what they want to experience in SL.



This is no different than wanting all of the people who don't want to see adult content being placed in a "Disneyland" where that is the case.

Those of you who don't wish to encounter "this stuff" can ALREADY avoid it. Stay in PG regions, and only go to places that identify themselves as "PG" or "family friendly". Once you enter into Mature regions, there are no guarantees, just like in RL. You may turn the corner near your home, and see an Adult movie store, sex toy shop, head shop, etc. That's life; you aren't being forced to go inside, and complaining about the mere existence of such should never be a reason for it to be moved. As soon as you see something you don't like, LEAVE. Why is that such a problem?

There's no way being evicted and forced to move AT YOUR OWN EXPENSE will ever be a "satisfactory solution" for even the MINORITY, let alone the MAJORITY.



If one skin shop is going to be considered "all the pornography", then maybe SL really isn't for her. There are THOUSANDS of regions with NO pornography in them at all, and many THOUSANDS more which have that "nasty pr0n" well-contained in easily-identifiable buildings that make no attempt to force anyone to partake, unless they want to.

There's no policy in the universe that is going to help people who are going to make uninformed and ill-considered choices. None. Even in the PG "Disneyland" future of Mature SL, someone can still attach various and sundry "adult content" and run around griefing you. It happens. It always will happen. That's the beauty and the beastly of Second Life; that we are free to express ourselves and experience things that we would never have the opportunity to experience in RL or even in other virtual worlds. It is fine to not want to experience some things, but to deny others the freedom to choose because of some mistaken belief that you should never be exposed to it is just plain wrong. You have control over your experience, whether you believe it or not; you simply have to exercise it, and not seek to be offended, because you most certainly will find offense if you're looking for it.

Da5id,

The sound of a nail being hit soundly on the head by yourself has been heard.

This seems to be so much more a matter of a limited sized new ADULT continent that the Lindens wish to hold back for more profit at a later date.

I may be small fry sales wise but I'm not alone, there are a huge number of us small specialised shop owners that will be screwed by these changes with the Lindens sitting back and counting their cash.

This whole policy is not thought out enough. What I see here is a case of people being given ways of limiting their ADULT content and being given sneaky work around's rather than actually looking to the spirit of the policy.

Obviously applying the spirit of the policy will cause even more furure but I'd rather have a clear application of the spirit of the guidelines so I know what I can do rather than cheats to get around it.

I plan to sell ADULT items to the ADULT community so it seems to me that i should be on the ADULT continent, not hiding what I do. The Lindens fail to realise that existing sellers of items that market to the ADULT community will have their sales drop to zero when people want an ADULT item as the buyers will simple go to the new continent to buy it rather than anywhere else.

Creating a monopoly in RL is illegal and immoral. Creating one in SL surely should follow the same spirit.

If they had made a PG continent and said everyone who feels scared of adult content can move. They would have had plenty of room.


They knew a new PG continent would be unpopular, so they forced all the old continents to be PG.

Also posted - for a free copy of the 'Ursala Sucks!' protest poster drop me an IM or Notecard

http://www.flickr.com/groups/we_are_adult_content

That poster if fantastic. If you don't have an xsl account, do you want me to drop it in the magic box and put an ad up on xsl for it?

Innula, you posted it to flickr but not the group.. great pic btw

and I just snuck into fetlife to do some consciousness raising and in response to my post about protesting I got this...




There you have it.. are we feeling marginalised yet?

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Magus responded 29 minutes ago:

As one of the larger and more successful adult content creators in Second Life, I am for this change, as are most of the adult content creators I know..... for as many people are against this change, there's about 3x of us for it, we're just content with it, so we're not speaking out.

Really, the only people who won't be able to 'see us' are people who have unverified accounts, and they are only a very small fraction of the market as a whole. I maybe see 5 - 10 unverified customers for every 100 verified customers (payment info on file)..... that's barely a drop in the hat.

Yes, it'll hurt a little in the short term, but it'll benefit in the long term, both us, and Second Life.

The only thing this will really effect in the long term are crappy adult clubs, crappy adult sex areas, and crappy adult stores luring unverified newbies with camping chairs or by enticing them with crappy freebies. Those days will be over, and instead of inflated traffic numbers, adult stores and locations will have a genuine representation of shoppers and traffic.

Magus/Lillani, the Dictatorshop





There you have it.. are we feeling marginalised yet?[/QUOTE]

Magnus's comments here are not surprising but it fail to recognise that small vendors just findoing our feet are not selling our products at the same prices as his (some ten times cheaper approx). Now people like me starting out are going to be hit and there seems to be no reasonable recourse for us other than to leave SL. It won't surprise me if this happens as my trust in the Lindens will have been severly damaged. This is autocratic to the point of a dictatorship which would be ok if it were not for the usual politician style convenient platitudes in the replies to concerned citizens.

Who is in charge of determining who the crappy adult clubs, crappy adult sex areas, and crappy adult stores are? Would those crappy places be your competition? Total arrogance.

fetlife?

I don't particularly buy it, myself. While I don't know that many adult content creators, the ones I do know are either undecided, but worried, or are against it wholesale.

However, the overall tone of the post doesn't surprise me. It sounds rather anticompetitive, which shouldn't come as a surprise if they believe it will drive their competition out of business; it won't. Those same clubs and freebie-givers will still be around, competing for their customers. Likely, they will be next door now, instead of on another continent, which will make it even harder for them to make money.

Sounds like LL did a pretty good sell job on them over it, though.

well go and have a look. Ayla sizzles

It's not surprising - some trader have grown to the point where they have lost touch with the people and their roots which gave them a leg up - it's not just Linden Labs who can display crass disregard for the people who helped give them what they have today.

Most of the larger outfits, owners are, I expect, watching on with a certain bemusement as they already own their own islands away from mainland. Not their problem

They are not tasked with a massive rebuild or in fear of only half their parcel being transferred to the ghetto and if crass commercialism is at play too they will be sniggering all the way to the bank while they pick up extra business because the rest of us plebs will be struggling to get back on our feet.

However that store owner posted a similar arrogant sounding missive in xstreet forums and such stances show scant regard for the very people and establishments that have helped create her self proclaimed success.

I would however like to see some of the more eminent adult content providers come off the fence one way or the other - at least now when it comes to the future restocking our clubhouse I know one product provider that I will avoid like plaque

PS - I have an xstreet account - and intend to make the poster available there too just been Sunday swamped as usual

i would imagine that 50% or more of the market of adult content items will dissapear overnight as no non age verified or piof will know about it.
any adult creators who are in favour of this segregation are fools to cut themselves out of the loop.
Making money in sl is hard enough as it is.

and this magus is on my boycott list also lol.
my choice.

QFT - you beat me to it

As I see it, Magnus is thinking of a price hike with smaller competition gone...surprise...I have one of the best ADULT animators under my wing and guess what Magnus...his company is coming with me when I move to Ursula...and I give him FREE rent.
Lionsblood animations/Bobby Galaxy animations.....Magnus should check out his work ^ ^
Bobby Galaxy Animations - Resell, Longfin (70, 227, 701)

btw.... welcome to the boycott list

I for one think this is a good thing. I mean, they are just looking out for our best interests. This will limit it so that the *only* people who have access to adult Sims are adults, and kids who have 2 minutes alone with their mom's purse.

Actually in all seriousness, there's one benefit I can see from this... less griefers. Nobody is going to come to the Sims I hang out in and drop destructive things if they can be linked back through their credit card.

I've heard a rumor they're doing this to merge the child and adult servers. I guess this is nice because parents will be able to spend time with their kids on here, but that's the only benifit I can see. But overall I think the people who are on the kid server now will stay in one area, and the adult server people will stay in the adult areas... so the merge isn't going to do a whole lot.

I guess established content creators might be glad to see this as it limits future competition. People wanting to start up new adult businesses won't be able to do it on cheap mainland anymore. They'll have to either pay through the nose for a plot on Ursula, or rent space in a private region.

It is kind of sad really, when you start looking at these people's profiles and discover that they of all people should know what it is like to be completely segregated and discriminated against because of who they are and the lifestyle they enjoy. It seems to me a bit of a stab in the back on some level.

Short for Fetish Life. There is a group in SL. http://www.fetlife.com/

And posted as well.

Come on people, we need more pics in that flickr group...

Aen


PS: shame the "censored" texts hide my naughty bits from y'all

This is very confusing to me... The thing here is, you say some will be turned down because they will not be adult if they CHANGE their ads and key words. What if they don't want to change?? Are you saying these people are shit out of luck, advertise the way WE SAY or go away?