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Lord Sullivan
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04-26-2009 03:28
From: Couldbe Yue
got it.. now I just need to find Lords too

and I fixed the typo on the sign *sigh* I always forget to spellcheck in photoshop.

found this when I was searching for the link..

http://education.zdnet.com/?p=2445?

zdnet obviously didn't fall on the publicity release with joy - more like laugher..

I just have to post this..



I love the use of the word tarnished :)


Gotta find Lords what?

Love the zdnet post :)
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Lasher Oh
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04-26-2009 03:51
From: Valerius Constantine
Funny how the first thing most folks say when they post their first message is "LL should make a PG continent".

It's the obvious answer and it does everything they want to do. but they *won't*. why is that?

-V-


Because if or when the day comes when they wish to eradicate All contentious adult content altogether it's far easier to dump a ghetto containing 'predictive' content all herded together than hunt through the existing Mature territories exterminating 1 by 1.

I'm sure real life history has some pretty famous examples of similar situations where certain social groups were told to go somewhere and that it was really for their own good - guess it has to happen in Virtual World one day
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04-26-2009 04:24
From: Lasher Oh
Because if or when the day comes when they wish to eradicate All contentious adult content altogether it's far easier to dump a ghetto containing 'predictive' content all herded together than hunt through the existing Mature territories exterminating 1 by 1.

I'm sure real life history has some pretty famous examples of similar situations where certain social groups were told to go somewhere and that it was really for their own good - guess it has to happen in Virtual World one day


that thought had occurred to me too, except that Blondin is telling everyone here that they can play it cute and stay on "mature" land with "adult" businesses as long as the search terms are toned down.

They'll have to come looking for us anyway- so while they'll be able to one-stop-nuke *some* of the stuff, it'll still go underground big time. It will be an enforcement *nightmare*. just another reason why this whole thing is a stupid idea :)

-V-
Couldbe Yue
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04-26-2009 04:32
From: Lord Sullivan
Gotta find Lords what?

Love the zdnet post :)



the link to your mirror site, but I've found it now and put it on the page. :)

It's interesting that zdnet is consistently sounding alarms to businesses not to jump into virtual world. At least someone is not falling for they hype..
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Tabliopa Underwood
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04-26-2009 04:33
From: Lasher Oh
Because if or when the day comes when they wish to eradicate All contentious adult content altogether it's far easier to dump a ghetto containing 'predictive' content all herded together than hunt through the existing Mature territories exterminating 1 by 1
Or sell the entire Ursula continent to another hosting company with an SLA in place that allows Ursulians to travel freely between Ursula and SecondLife. And not allow SecondLife-hosted avatars to travel to Ursula.
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04-26-2009 04:34
From: Tabliopa Underwood
Or sell the entire Ursula continent to another hosting company with an SLA in place that allows Ursulians to travel freely between Ursula and SecondLife. And not allow SecondLife-hosted avatars to travel to Ursula.



which will happen when IBM finally get the portal software sorted.
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Tabliopa Underwood
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04-26-2009 04:49
From: Couldbe Yue
which will happen when IBM finally get the portal software sorted.
Yes. This my pick as well. Whether it be IBM or LL or IBM-LL partnership in terms of server software I dont know. Probably a partnership. Who owns the server software or what their SLAs are I dont really care. LL can own all the aerver software and make zillions off licensing fees if they want, this is not a biggie for me at all.

I just want to be able to choose when and where I go in the 3D World and do as much as I can as often as I can. The day (soon I hope) that there are other hosting providers with a variety of ToS from which we can choose then is going to be great for everyone.
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04-26-2009 05:25
From: My stepsister signed up for SL, took one look around, and decided never to come back. I asked her why, and she told me it was because all of the pornography. The only thing I can figure is that she found her way into a skin shop. Some of those skin shop pics can be rather explicit for my tastes as well. I would prefer if the full frontal nudity is behind a wall so I can stay out of that section if I wish.[/QUOTE


You do know , don't you, that skin shops will still stay on the mainland......... LL has no plans on moving them to the "Adult Content" ursula land. So your stepsister sill would not want to be in SL. There will sill be cartoon pixel skin signs all over the mature areas of the main part of the grid. Sorry... but I am sure if you wait long enough LL will take those out too and put them in the little bubble of land with all the other adults and leave the main grid for all the G-rated people.
Lord Sullivan
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04-26-2009 05:27
From: Couldbe Yue
the link to your mirror site, but I've found it now and put it on the page. :)

It's interesting that zdnet is consistently sounding alarms to businesses not to jump into virtual world. At least someone is not falling for they hype..


Sent you an IM in world re your sign :)
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-26-2009 05:33
From: Firebird Nightfire
My stepsister signed up for SL, took one look around, and decided never to come back. I asked her why, and she told me it was because all of the pornography. The only thing I can figure is that she found her way into a skin shop. Some of those skin shop pics can be rather explicit for my tastes as well. I would prefer if the full frontal nudity is behind a wall so I can stay out of that section if I wish.
That's fine, but Linden Labs isn't moving the skin shops, and they're charging most of the people who have to move for the privilege, and they've refused to implement technical solutions that would make most of the moves unnecessary (like http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-205).
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04-26-2009 05:37
From: Argent Stonecutter
That's fine, but Linden Labs isn't moving the skin shops, and they're charging most of the people who have to move for the privilege, and they've refused to implement technical solutions that would make most of the moves unnecessary (like http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-205).



This focus on cleaning up advertising to give the appearance of a smut free world certainly goes a long way to explaining why they won't implement the jira.

I'll put this on the ad too - hopefully it will generate more votes and awareness.
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04-26-2009 05:37
From: Bith Wierwight
I have recommended (stupidly, I see at this point) many RL friends, but they always get stuck at LL/griefer entry points and leave. And give me weird looks later. LL, this is YOUR fault.
Tell them to wait until you're online, and when they log in you send them a TP to *your* safe land. That will become their home point and welcome area.
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04-26-2009 05:41
From: Valerius Constantine
It'll be a lot more likely now that LL will be allowing only verified account to see all the search results, and is encouraging merchants to "remove a few terms from their search description" to make their description a "mature" one rather than "adult"
Which is stupid. What they should do is let people put any keywords they want in it, but people who haven't selected adult won't see any results with the naughty keywords in.
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Lord Sullivan
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04-26-2009 05:45
From: Couldbe Yue
This focus on cleaning up advertising to give the appearance of a smut free world certainly goes a long way to explaining why they won't implement the jira.

I'll put this on the ad too - hopefully it will generate more votes and awareness.


I will sponsor the ad for the sign on featured front page on slx until they force the change through ;) and i will speak with you later and sort out a banner run for the item say 500,000 impressions and maybe some other SL businesses will chip in and maybe we can extend that banner campaign as well :)
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Couldbe Yue
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Shameless plug time again.
04-26-2009 05:47
From: Couldbe Yue


Protest Toy
From: someone

Originally Posted by Couldbe Yue
OK

The protest toy is out on XSL as a freebie:

https://uncensored.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1416611

buy, set it out and give it a rating.. high ratings add to the popularity sort for items which means it will end up being eyeballed by more people..



For those of you who don't have a xsl account, if you drop me a full perm copy of your texture/item inworld I'll put it up on xsl.

If you do have an xsl account, post it there and put the link here!! Also send me a copy of the link to the item and I'll link to it in the ad.

More is good. When I saw the flickr pic I realised that there will be people who are a little put off by the gadget so giving people other choices to put in their picture is a fantastic thing. http://www.flickr.com/groups/we_are_adult_content/

if you don't have a flickr account, either drop your pic to me in world or email it to couldbe.yue(@)gmail.com and I'll post it for you.


35 have gone out so far and two have posted a flickr pic.

The flickr picture is the most important part of the publicity. It allows people outside of sl to see that there is a groundswell of opinion against this. If it ends up being 1/2 dozen pics then LL can use it as a stick to say that on the whole people were happy as very few malcontents put their hand up.

so post!! or send the pic to me if you don't have a flickr account and I'll post it.
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Innula Zenovka
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04-26-2009 05:48
Last night, there I was sitting chatting with my friend in the really rather lovely garden she's made on a completely residential island that isn't advertised in search at all, about this age verification business and how I am going to have to flag everything as adult, just so we don't need to worry about whether a passing stranger tps there in search of green dots and takes exception to some toys she and her partner have over in a wood at one end of island.

We then notice we have company, in the form of two guys who've only been playing for a few days (how they find their way there is a mystery, but we often do have people popping up from nowhere). We say, "hi, can we help you?" They are really rather obnoxious, demanding that we help them by taking off our clothes and giving them blow jobs, so she boots them off whence they came; presumably the place they were born in SL, where they doubtless continued to be obnoxious, only with new players.

"You know," says my friend, "I know you're annoyed about having to flag as Adult content, but at least we won't have so many creeps like them popping up."

Rather later in the conversation, we decide to head off to the verification testing station at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Concinna/151/34/32 only to discover that it doesn't recognise either her (Aristotle) or my (PIU) verification, though, oddly, it does recognise her Aristotle-verified alt. A quick chat with Live Help confirms that my account certainly looks verified to them, but all they can suggest is that I put in a support ticket.

I just hope they kick the software into shape sooner rather than later, 'cos if I flag as adult and then find my tenants and I can't get into any of my sims, I shall be so cross.
Couldbe Yue
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04-26-2009 05:52
From: Lord Sullivan
I will sponsor the ad for the sign on featured front page on slx until they force the change through ;) and i will speak with you later and sort out a banner run for the item say 500,000 impressions and maybe some other SL businesses will chip in and maybe we can extend that banner campaign as well :)



The banner is a good idea. Ayla has paid for the first month of the homepage for the toy.

I am pretty terrible at the photoshop thing as you can see by the sign I made.. I can't stop words from being blurry! *sniff* so if someone wants to make a banner ad (it can be a gif which is good at attracting attention) then I'll dig up the xsl requirements (sizings etc). We can also have a banner ad on slu that can point to the toy on xsl.

Suggestions? Comments??

edit

what I would really like is a banner that has all the shop logos from those affected in the background and then something like the.. we've all been shafted by LL, have you? over the top.
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04-26-2009 05:57
From: Innula Zenovka
Rather later in the conversation, we decide to head off to the verification testing station at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Concinna/151/34/32 only to discover that it doesn't recognise either her (Aristotle) or my (PIU) verification, though, oddly, it does recognise her Aristotle-verified alt.
That station will never detect PIU/PIOF, it's not designed not intended for that purpose. It's Aristotle only.

To test the new scheme, you have to teleport to Arapaima.
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Lord Sullivan
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04-26-2009 05:58
From: Couldbe Yue
35 have gone out so far and two have posted a flickr pic.

The flickr picture is the most important part of the publicity. It allows people outside of sl to see that there is a groundswell of opinion against this. If it ends up being 1/2 dozen pics then LL can use it as a stick to say that on the whole people were happy as very few malcontents put their hand up.

so post!! or send the pic to me if you don't have a flickr account and I'll post it.


OK i sat on the dildo sign and took a picture and sent it to you in world, so if i can do it then everyone can sit on it and take a pic, I kept my clothes on though lol

You may post it to flicker and issue KY jelly with them on xstreet please :P
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04-26-2009 06:00
From: Lord Sullivan
OK i sat on the dildo sign and took a picture and sent it to you in world, so if i can do it then everyone can sit on it and take a pic, I kept my clothes on though lol

You may post it to flicker and issue KY jelly with them on xstreet please :P


See? Taking one for the team isn't so bad. :D
Lord Sullivan
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04-26-2009 06:03
From: Couldbe Yue
The banner is a good idea. Ayla has paid for the first month of the homepage for the toy.

I am pretty terrible at the photoshop thing as you can see by the sign I made.. I can't stop words from being blurry! *sniff* so if someone wants to make a banner ad (it can be a gif which is good at attracting attention) then I'll dig up the xsl requirements (sizings etc). We can also have a banner ad on slu that can point to the toy on xsl.

Suggestions? Comments??

edit

what I would really like is a banner that has all the shop logos from those affected in the background and then something like the.. we've all been shafted by LL, have you? over the top.


I sent you the next months feature page money in world already lol

I hope some one here will design the banner and then i will stump up the cash for a 500,000 impression run and hopefully other businesses will follow suit and we can get some exposure for it.

So all you Adult SL businesses how about a fund to run the banner ad and get this toy in world for Couldbe Yue to show LL what we think of their plan and bring it to the masses, even if the majority don't care, at least we will have brought it to their attention!
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Lord Sullivan
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04-26-2009 06:08
From: Thorn Witrial
See? Taking one for the team isn't so bad. :D


No Comment lol
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Dipp Canning
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It is actually very simple!
04-26-2009 06:15
It seems to me that SL is going about this all wrong. If something offends you, DO NOT LOOK!!. TP away, as you were just exploring anyway in all likely hood. As in real life, as history shows, explorers must be ready for anything. If you enter someone elses property or area and it is not too your liking, TP away and be a grown up. If your life has been so sheltered that you have not even heard of some others perversions or ideas then SL is not for you anyway--go play checkers or backgammon. I for one do not trust the internet with my personal info although i do have an account with SL. i take the risk and am doing what i am not comfortable with by having an account. But my decision may actually harm me.
SO for some to argue they should not have to see what i do and believe the whole world should change to suit their views smacks of persecution and for those chosen "good" people to not want to have to risk seeing what i and others do and do not have the slightest ambition to just go away and do not come back to where i am is extremely rude and ignorant and then to complain that they should not have to see me and insist on all these changes to protect their oh so innocent eyes tells me that they will not stop there. soon we may be seeing that we are required to use seatbelts in our cars here in SL--OR--that the SL Secret Police have arrested our accounts and taken our assets as we have commited George Orwells 1984 Thought Crime.
BEWARE--BIG BROTHER SL IS WATCHING AND WAITING TO BAN YOU FOR VISUALIZING YOUR THINKING AND CREATIVE IDEAS!!
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04-26-2009 06:16
From: Lord Sullivan
I sent you the next months feature page money in world already lol

I hope some one here will design the banner and then i will stump up the cash for a 500,000 impression run and hopefully other businesses will follow suit and we can get some exposure for it.

So all you Adult SL businesses how about a fund to run the banner ad and get this toy in world for Couldbe Yue to show LL what we think of their plan and bring it to the masses, even if the majority don't care, at least we will have brought it to their attention!


sounds like a plan.. except don't send anymore money to me - send it to one of my alts that I use for monitoring things inworld. He doesn't get any money or spend anything so he's perfect to allow me to keep track of who has paid what and how much we have in the kitty. It also means that at the end if there's any cash left I can easily refund.

I'm going inworld soon and will put the alts name in my profile and swish the money received so far off to him. I'll also send a friends request from him to those that have donated so far so I can keep you all up to date with how I'm spending the money. (he doesn't have any friends either.. makes it really easy :) )
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Lord Sullivan
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04-26-2009 06:18
From: Couldbe Yue
The banner is a good idea. Ayla has paid for the first month of the homepage for the toy.


OK let me know as soon as you have the banner and i will send the 500,000 banner impression campaign to you as a gift and then you can get it placed :) I wont send it now as you get a 30 day limit from time of purchase before it expires, but everything is in place just give me the word lol

So the sooner the better :P
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