Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

I have a protest sign next to the landing spot by the TP map its full perms and contains a picture to place in your profile as well as a notecard with links and a URL script to open the page to this thread feel free to drop by and pick one up

O and pass them around as well

IF your a ADULT STRIP CLUB owner you may be interested in adding yourself to this new network. any club can post as much as they want.

secondlife:///app/group/9c43b8c0-7293-c836-7390-32925a255aed/about

if your not interested just dont join. thanks!

I'm trying to think of ways to stay in touch after this hits the fan. As it is theres tons of clubs i've already found I would Have NEVER found before. So this would be a good thing. And my club doesnt get any special treatment ovr any other.

the only thig dealt harshly with will be the clothing peoples advertising unless they ONLY sell adult listed items...

like i said. Im trying to think ahead.

I'm betting they figure that despite much wailing and gnashing of teeth, very few paying users will actually leave.

As for NPIOF users, the ones LL wants to keep will probably put PIOF, and be more likely to spend more money in SL. The ones they lose are (theoretically) the ones who don't spend any money, and won't be missed anyway.

Whether or not it actually works out that way, I guess that depends on how many spending NPIOF users leave.

Oh, and speaking of, LL is not doing themselves any favors in retaining those users. Many, many people still think the AC policy means they'll have to send a DNA sample to the CIA to get verified. This is where refusing to make broad announcements in world may not be such a hot plan.

Unfortunately, the only thing that will solve this problem is a login screen announcement of the proposed changes.

LL Doesn't have any desire to do that, because they *know* what will happen. they will get a 95% disapproval rate. they don't *want* a 95% disapproval rate, and so they are *hiding from it*. They are kidding themselves that if they just spring it on the residents along with a mandatory viewer update, we'll all just swallow it without more than grumbling.

They're wrong, of course, but trying to *tell* them so hasn't been very successful so far. Mark isn't reading his mail, Blondin evidently has instructions to concentrate on piddling details of "Is *my* parcel "adult?" and ignore everything else, while the Xstreet fora are being used as a "no problem here at all! stop exaggerating!" platform.


LL has their little fantasy all safely insulated to the point where the first inkling they will have of impending disaster is the first time Tier collections won't pay operating costs.

-V-

I hope to contribute to that scenario.

And IIRC when it was suggested this change be publicized via the login screen in the original discussion thread on this topic (now locked), Blondin essentially replied: hmm ... interesting idea. That was when I began selling off my land.

So you consider the naked body pornographic? What a sad sad person.

Of course we can't. But we can feel pissy about LL's dereliction of duty whilst we're about it!


-V-

How is full frontal nudity pornography? I'm guessing she got to the wonderful PG Welcome Area and got a warmer welcome than she was expecting. The same Welcome that is occuring as we speak. The same Welcome that this entire AC policy does nothing to address? I bet if you were to ask her what she saw and where she was, I bet she never even made it out of the Welcome Area. The Welcome Area was created by Linden Labs, not the residents.

Yes. Thats the problem LL faces.

SL has been up and running for some years now. The numbers are in the 10s of 1,000s of regular users. Not millions. So why arent the millions, regular users of SL? What do they want that they cant get already in SL?

Hmmm..., in case you own a mirror...

And news: seen from behind, we are *all* looking the same and seen frontal, we're fitting together. The LEGO-principe.

But I know such people: they are watching 200 times a day the WTC-buildings crashing down with no eye blink and decent yawning, but if they see *skin*...

I think Linden labs is doing a disservice segregating the Adult themes. But I like the focus of the technologoical solutions. I think all new accounts should be restricted to the PG continent with their own client that cant access the main grid.

If people are complaining they want a PG experience set one up for them, don't punish the rest of us.

Thedman Edman

I am ashamed of Linden Labs over the experience they provide to new users in the Welcome Area. Yes, the current and on-going situation there is the experience that Linden Labs has created and continues to supply to new users of SL. How many of these New Users never make it out of the Welcome Area? How many of them do, and how many of those people leave after experiencing the rest of the Grid? Those are the numbers I want to know. This is an experience that Linden Labs, not the residents, has created and continues to allow for new users. Linden Labs wants to punish the residents for behavior that they themselves allow to occur in their own supplied PG Environment.

1) There is absolutely no reason to even allow voice in the Welcome Area. What purpose does that serve? There is enough to try and figure out without having to hear griefing orgy fests and lude childish behavior via voice in the process.

2) Lindens have completely nuetered the only people who even care to try and manage the area, your mentors. You have given them no way of controling the massive griefing fest that ensues there.

Oh sure, the media is all a glow with the announcements of "Second Life Cleans Up Their Act!" The problem is, those people that were so turned off by the new-user experience are already coming back, having the same horrid welcoming experience and leaving in the same manner they did the first time around. Only now you have effectively lied. What kind of message of trust is that?

You can clean up the Grid as much as you like, but if you don't start in your own house where everyone starts, then no one will ever get through all the mud to that wonderfully clean experience. Thus making your "Ursula Project" a total failure from the outset.

I tried a while ago, and as chance had there were a minimal number of freaks lurking and I broke through. That is how I put it: I muscled my way through to enter. And, through residents, not you, chose to stay a while.

I have recommended (stupidly, I see at this point) many RL friends, but they always get stuck at LL/griefer entry points and leave. And give me weird looks later. LL, this is YOUR fault.

30 have gone out so far and one bod had posted a flickr pic.

For those of you who don't have a xsl account, if you drop me a full perm copy of your texture/item inworld I'll put it up on xsl.

If you do have an xsl account, post it there and put the link here!! Also send me a copy of the link to the item and I'll link to it in the ad.

More is good. When I saw the flickr pic I realised that there will be people who are a little put off by the gadget so giving people other choices to put in their picture is a fantastic thing. http://www.flickr.com/groups/we_are_adult_content/

if you don't have a flickr account, either drop your pic to me in world or email it to couldbe.yue(@)gmail.com and I'll post it for you.

That comment *was* about the changes. A Linden, who is all about "metrics", is making statements that are not substantiated by the numbers.

She *ought* to have the numbers to back up her claims. that *is* her area of expertise, according to her "office site". she collects all sorts of metrics about the SL population. she should *know* what the pro/con numbers are and be able to show us the breakdown.

She *isn't*. instead, she is spouting the "Linden line" and talking about "millions of unheard future users".

I'm sorry if I have offended you by calling her out on her numbers, and for all I know, Meta is a terminally cool person that I'd love to meet and be friends with. But that doesn't make what she's doing any more palatable or *fair*. I'm criticizing her *actions*, not her *person*.


To quote John Adams in "1776"

"This Is a revolution dammit ! We're going to have to offend *somebody*"


-V-

But she made statements and then will not back them up so she is fair game and as a LL mouthpiece, after making them and then refusing or not backing them up she has set the level and she clearly states that she, as a LL representative favors these changes for the people that are not yet here.

Then to ask for our trust in this, makes me wonder what she is smoking to think that we would afford LL that trust in them anymore. She might be a nice person RL but based on her history, i wonder.

I so totally agree.

I worked out how to listen to voice some while after getting into the game and i was then completely shocked by the outrageous griefing going on in the welcome area using the voice-over.

And, believe me, from reading this blog, i am one of the most liberal minded in the game.

K

Bith, we feel your pain, believe me. I said something similar on a previous thread to the effect of "If I have to go to Ursula to watch "Night of the Living Dead", but *slavery* gets to stay on mainland, I'm gonna be *pissed*."


I'm not sure what will happen. at this point we have Blondin saying pretty much the same thing consistantly "It's not as bad as you think, and you can get around it with a little effort", whereas we have the blog posts heralding the new, squeaky-clean Disneyfied mainland.

Meanwhile, LL *still* hasn't made an in-world announcement about the changes.

It's going to be extremely messy no matter *what* happens. LL is practically *engineering* it that way.

-V-

What would you describe as "Mature" then?

got it.. now I just need to find Lords too

and I fixed the typo on the sign *sigh* I always forget to spellcheck in photoshop.

found this when I was searching for the link..

http://education.zdnet.com/?p=2445?

zdnet obviously didn't fall on the publicity release with joy - more like laugher..

I just have to post this..



I love the use of the word tarnished

Oh, absolutely! I'm sorry, I thought that you were commenting on the *current* land use arrangements- I apologize for the misunderstanding and I completely agree with you- If LL requires a move, then anyone who *wants* one should qualify

-V-

in the end freedom of expression will prevail
either LL accept this or their game will fold and die

freedom of expression is vital for learning, education and for the future of humanity

bickering about what is and what is not pg/mature/adult is completely pointless
K

Well, LL's plan doesn't give you *any* of that. Skin shops, for example. according to Blondin, will be "mature". you will still be able to "run across" them in your wanderings. For that matter, if you have a verified account, you will *still* be able to follow a landmark and wind up in a porno palace-
It'll be a lot more likely now that LL will be allowing only verified account to see all the search results, and is encouraging merchants to "remove a few terms from their search description" to make their description a "mature" one rather than "adult".

Adult merchants encouraged to use cute euphemisms in advertising=a lot more accidental porno trips, yes?


However you feel about adult content, LL's current plan is *not* what you want, trust me. there are a *lot* of better alternatives, including my humble plan, which do what LL says they want done without a lot of the pain and agony. But LL won't listen.

*that's* why we're upset- not only that they're doing it in the first place. but that they are insisting on doing it *stupid*!

-V-

Well, that's it, isn't it? Look at the MMORPG's. They have millions of users, but eventually everyone gets bored and moves on to the next big thing. SL has reached a plateau in its user numbers. In order to attract more users, they need to offer *more*, not *less*.

More stability of the grid. More resources for a lag-free experience, better interfaces and modeling so that avatars can look better and have more detailed prim constructions.

Better scripting, better building, better everything- All with a hardware base that *keeps up with demand!*

Marketing a "grid in a box" software package so that people can host grid spaces for their own uses.

Hooking up with other "virtual worlds" and coming up with an IP protection protocol that allows virtual goods to pass between grids- Inter-grid commerce!

For crying out loud, there are so *many* things that LL could be working on, and capitalizing on their head start.

Instead, they are fumbling around and trying to make the grid into a virtual theme park for the kiddies.



If I was an LL shareholder, I'd try to fire the lot- and if I couldn't I'd sell the hell out and invest on a company with some *vision*.

-V-

Funny how the first thing most folks say when they post their first message is "LL should make a PG continent".

It's the obvious answer and it does everything they want to do. but they *won't*. why is that?

-V-