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Couldbe Yue
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04-26-2009 06:22
From: Thorn Witrial
See? Taking one for the team isn't so bad. :D

and where's your pic Thorn?? and don't forget to get all your friends to do it as well.. Seriously important this.. we need as many pics as possible
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Even petty tyrants will give us a banned word list, why won't LL?
04-26-2009 06:26
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7014928754

Tallahassee, FL (AHN) - Looking for new terms to use in that essay on sexual innuendo? You don't have to dust off the Roget's. Consult the Florida legislature.

A thesaurus of sorts is part of an amendment to a bill restricting the terms massage parlors can use to advertise their services. The language of the bill is incredibly clear, listing more than 70 words or phrases that might indicate that a massage is more than just a massage, including: - "girls galore" - "direct to your room" - "fox hunting" - "maid service" - "you won't be disappointed"

The bill was filed by State Rep. Rachel Burgin to ban advertising that would "suggest to a reasonable, prudent person" that some form of sexual stimulation or gratification was part of the relaxation procedure.

Burgin later withdrew the amendment, saying she needed to massage its language.
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04-26-2009 06:31
From: Lasher Oh


I'm sure real life history has some pretty famous examples of similar situations where certain social groups were told to go somewhere and that it was really for their own good - guess it has to happen in Virtual World one day


One reason I make it a point to never do anything someone tells me is for "my own good." But then I am a contrary bastard.
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04-26-2009 06:38
From: Argent Stonecutter
That station will never detect PIU/PIOF, it's not designed not intended for that purpose. It's Aristotle only.

To test the new scheme, you have to teleport to Arapaima.
Ah.. that's not what the sign says, or what Live Help seemed to think-- I believe you rather than them, but I'm just saying.

Does this mean that, if I can tp to Arapmaima (which I can) using Second Life 1.22.11, I'm OK? Or do I need to test with the newer one?
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04-26-2009 06:42
From: Chris Norse
One reason I make it a point to never do anything someone tells me is for "my own good." But then I am a contrary bastard.


You shouldn't send me all of your money.... it is for your own good! :)
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04-26-2009 06:45
From: Alexander Harbrough
You shouldn't send me all of your money.... it is for your own good! :)


Ha, little do you know, I don't have any money.
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04-26-2009 06:47
From: Shockwave Yareach
It is time for you to FIRE Mr. Kingdon. He doesn't comprehend SL, doesn't think highly of his customers, has caused the loss of several key people in the organization, and isn't smart enough to be able to expand SL without destroying everything that you've worked so hard to build. When you want to increase traffic over a river, you build a second bridge. But you don't dynamite the first bridge before you start building the second - M has a history of doing that. His attitude seems to be that he and he alone is right and nobody may question his guidance, even if far superior solutions are available.

I formally claim NO CONFIDENCE in M, and I ask for his termination.

Thank you.


While I haven't read everything posted in this thread I mostly agree with the above quoted from Shockwave. Why is LL so willing to shoot itself in the foot?

The first notable blindness is that SL is designated for adults. If underage people are here whose responsibility is that? Oh, surprise, it's my responsibility! So using this "logic" if there are children on the highway or somewhere else they shouldn't be we all need to give up what we do and become and behave in accordance with childlike behavior.
(I want to clarify that I'm not indifferent to having underagers in dangerous situations but the first line of responsibility is the parents-except of course most teens are better at defeating parental control software than their parents are at enabling it)

Two; most people admit there is no accomplishing what age verification attempts. Underage users are resourceful and can get a hold of the data needed for verification and may be able to enter it more successfully than adults can :p Considering this will those that brought charges of this horrible immorality be satisfied or will there be continued haranguing?

Thirdly and last; I am not in the legal profession but from what I understand we are governed by the laws (local, state & national) where we reside and use our computers from. If that is the case how does any of us know our personal data won't be used against us for laws like indecency or lewdness violations? As an aside to that it's very interesting that many of the scams in SL were ignored by the mainstream and public but then those scams (like banking) only ripped users off monetarily and didn't involve sex-simulated sex at that.

Summing it up: I don't trust that my personal data won't be misused so when this all comes down I will take my time and money elsewhere. Ciao
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04-26-2009 07:03
From: Couldbe Yue
and where's your pic Thorn?? and don't forget to get all your friends to do it as well.. Seriously important this.. we need as many pics as possible


YES Thorn, take one for the team lol I got consie on the stand as well :)
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04-26-2009 07:09
From: Valerius Constantine
Well, that's it, isn't it? Look at the MMORPG's. They have millions of users, but eventually everyone gets bored and moves on to the next big thing. SL has reached a plateau in its user numbers. In order to attract more users, they need to offer *more*, not *less*.
More to who? More to gamers? Gamers not interested in SecondLife as a game environment. Xbox, WoW Eve etc much more fun and interesting to gamers. Yes they come, have a look and like you say is boring for them and they leave. Not all of them, just most of them.

So who else? The zillions on 2D social networks like MySpace, Facebook, Urkut, Bebo, etc. Lots of them come as well and in the past they have found a completely unregulated space. people doing whatever they like to who ever they like when ever they like. Anarchy and hedonism. And they cant hack this, so they leave as well. Not all of them, just most of them.

So which more does LL choose? Or do they choose more anarchy and more hedonism to attract more people who can hack this. How many millions of anarchists and hedonists are there? 2, 5 10 100 200 ??? Or maybe is only about a few hundred thousand and most of them are here in SL already. Or have been and gone and not coming back because SL is not anarchic or hedonistic enough for them even back in the glory days when this ruled supreme in SL.

The more, LL have chosen to pursue to grow the 3D world population into millions and millions, is everyday people, who just use the internet to do ordinary day to day stuff. They announced this last year and all the new policy rules regulations etc have flowed from this announcement, and they are betting their and our future on it. Is a big call this True, but the alternative is to carry on as before and be happy with a niche world with a few hundred thousand people in it. Something the shareholders in LL are not prepared to settle for. They are venture investors after all.

From: someone
More stability of the grid. More resources for a lag-free experience, better interfaces and modeling so that avatars can look better and have more detailed prim constructions.

Better scripting, better building, better everything- All with a hardware base that *keeps up with demand!*
LL already doing this stuff. And every new release cycle things get a little bit better in a 2steps forward 1step back kinda way. Which is understandable given that no one has ever done this kinda thing before.
From: someone
Marketing a "grid in a box" software package so that people can host grid spaces for their own uses.

Hooking up with other "virtual worlds" and coming up with an IP protection protocol that allows virtual goods to pass between grids- Inter-grid commerce!
Thats the plan. And those other worlds are going to be Continents hosted by other providers on (IBM) LL-powered servers with different ToS to meet the different needs of people. A total 3D World. Thats also the plan. The plan that the LL shareholders are putting their bucks on. (and ours as well, on our behalf, voluntarily or not)

From: someone
For crying out loud, there are so *many* things that LL could be working on, and capitalizing on their head start.

Instead, they are fumbling around and trying to make the grid into a virtual theme park for the kiddies.
They not trying. They doing. The SecondLife-hosted part of the 3D World is being positioned for the middle ground (The Showcase of What Is Possible) of the entire 3D World running on LL-powered servers. They announced this as well way back then also.

LL probably keep avatar-naming and asset serving to themselves because is practical, but Continent hosting, account registration, billing and stuff like this be licensed out to other hosting providers. Providers we can choose or not as it suits us.

Is a bold plan.

From: someone
If I was an LL shareholder, I'd try to fire the lot- and if I couldn't I'd sell the hell out and invest on a company with some *vision*.
If you were selling shares then I buy them. But probably be a bidding war so I maybe not get them =)
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04-26-2009 07:15
From: Innula Zenovka
Does this mean that, if I can tp to Arapmaima (which I can) using Second Life 1.22.11, I'm OK? Or do I need to test with the newer one?
If you can get to Arapmaima, you're all set, regardless of which viewer version you're using. The 1.23 client adds some features related to managing Adult content in the viewer (e.g., if one sets preferences in 1.23 to not see Adult content, one won't get to Arapmaima even if Adult-verified).
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04-26-2009 07:20
From: Couldbe Yue
and where's your pic Thorn?? and don't forget to get all your friends to do it as well.. Seriously important this.. we need as many pics as possible


Not in world today, hon. When I get home tonight, I'll do it. Btw, I've put the toy out in front of my jewelry store at the Hot n'Hung sim. I invite anyone who wants to to hop on and snap a pic for Couldbe.
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04-26-2009 07:28
From: Chris Norse
Ha, little do you know, I don't have any money.


He sent it all to me. For my underwear.
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Alexander Harbrough
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04-26-2009 07:29
From: Chris Norse
Ha, little do you know, I don't have any money.


Then you shouldn't get a job, earn some money, and give it all to me. :) For your own good, of course!
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04-26-2009 07:30
From: Qie Niangao
If you can get to Arapmaima, you're all set, regardless of which viewer version you're using. The 1.23 client adds some features related to managing Adult content in the viewer (e.g., if one sets preferences in 1.23 to not see Adult content, one won't get to Arapmaima even if Adult-verified).


I wonder if 3rd party viewers will be able to accomodate the changes, especially legacy viewers, or does LL plan to do away with them as well? I still use the 1.19 Non Windlight viewer, so I might be coded out of the equation anyway.
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04-26-2009 07:31
From: Alexander Harbrough
Then you shouldn't get a job, earn some money, and give it all to me. :) For your own good, of course!


Are you Barack Obama's alt?
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04-26-2009 07:36
From: Chris Norse
From Meta Linden:

"B) The voice you are NOT hearing on the forums (by definition) is the millions of new potential users we want to enjoy Second Life like you do, but aren't here yet. Surveys of people who tried SL but decided it wasn't for them, as well as feedback from new organizations (educational, corporate, and other social networks), pointed out the high visibility of AO content in M spaces as a blocking concern for them. It is for *these* silent potential users we are making this change"


I guess no one at LL has ever heard the old adage about one bird in the hand being worth more than two in the bush.


One step beyond Nixon.

THE *FUTURE* MORAL MAJORITY!

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And so tonight-to you, the great silent majority of my fellow Americans-I ask for your support.
Brenda Connolly
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04-26-2009 07:36
From: someone
Is a bold plan.


It is. And in concept it makes sense. But it is being horribly implemented. It's fine to want to bring in a new customer base. But is it necessary to alienate the existing customer base in doing it, in such a disingenuous and contemptuous manner?
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04-26-2009 07:44
From: Brenda Connolly
I wonder if 3rd party viewers will be able to accomodate the changes, especially legacy viewers, or does LL plan to do away with them as well? I still use the 1.19 Non Windlight viewer, so I might be coded out of the equation anyway.
Yeah, if I remember the background on this, you'd probably need to instead use a third-party viewer with some features from a newer version of the Linden source tree. I can't quite recall the reason for this if it was ever explicated, but it must be something like a required handshake between the viewer and the sim to verify that the viewer wants to see Adult content.

I also vaguely recall that all this wasn't supposed to change until some time after the Adult Content rules are in force, so until then I suppose they'll assume a default of Adult access desired. (That's not the default setting in 1.23, however.)
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04-26-2009 07:53
From: Valerius Constantine
Funny how the first thing most folks say when they post their first message is "LL should make a PG continent".

It's the obvious answer and it does everything they want to do. but they *won't*. why is that?

-V-



They ARE, its just called "the existing mainland".
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04-26-2009 07:53
From: GreenKnight Kaul
Boss Linden: Wow, we have a lot of empty servers. People aren't buying opensims, and the homesteads don't seem to be drawing people in. But we are still making money since we increased prices on the opensims.

Investor Linden: Well I got a good dividends check this year but I want more. Any ideas how we can put those servers to use.

Boss Linden: Well lets see. If we merge the teen grid we will only have to maintain one grid. More families would get involved.

Investor Linden: But the teens don't really make us much money. The adults are the ones with the purchasing power. We can't merge them yet. And besides theres too much adult content that would need to be cleaned up before we can merge the grids.

Boss Linden: There you have it. The adults stuff. Some people don't support it, but it does seem to be everywhere. If we were to make them move to an isolated area we can benefit in several ways. We can make use of those empty servers by making a new land for the more adult stuff.

Tech Linden: We only have so many empty servers. And a lot of the residents will be upset having to move all their stuff.

Boss Linden: How many sims can we fit onto those servers.

Tech Linden: About 250. 300, if we push resources.

Boss Linden: Not bad. Okay, so now if we just move people there should be little resistance. Let them have the land for the land they currently use. We get them out of sight and that will help make it more family friendly. It will be good p.r. for us. Show that we care and don't want to isolate anyone. But at the same time cleaning up the grid.

Investor Linden: Wait, you just want to give them the land?

Boss Linden: Yes.

Investor Linden: How are we going to make money on that?

Boss Linden: Good point. (thinks for a few minutes) okay heres a thought. We only give away ¼ of the new land. Tell the residents its meant for extreme content, and that only if they advertise the stuff they
will have to move. Then we auction off the rest and put that money into our pockets.

Tech Linden: But what if more people want the move then we have the land for?

Boss Linden: Well we will decide who gets to move. Then a few months down the road we can go in and tell those business's left behind that they need to change content or move to the adult land. They will be forced to buy the land from the speculators. Look at how much money those guys generated for us on Nautilus.

Investor Linden: Nice we can make money from both sides.

PR Linden: But sirs aren't we basically changing the whole nature of what we are selling. Wont this upset people.

Investor Linden: Who cares. We have the only viable grid at the moment. They will stay. So what if we lose a few suckers, err users, err Residents.

PR Linden: Okay, but I suggest we don't let everyone know our plans. If we do, there will be a mass revolt. I suggest since only a small percentage of users go to the forums and blogs we post it there. It will be less noticed and we can say we informed people about the changes.

Lawyer Linden: I would add a press release, or two. That way if we get taken to court for possible criminal activities we can say we announced it in the press.

PR Linden: Great idea, that will also show the world we are cleaning up the grid that way.


This is only an imagined conversation. Repeat, IMAGINARY as in being able to fly, teleport, and most of the activities in SL.


Wow nice. and probably pretty damned close to true. I think I'll call you Fly-on-the-wall Unlinden.
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04-26-2009 07:54
http://status.secondlifegrid.net/2009/04/26/post610/

oops 250 regions gone due to power outage. but LL dont tell us by pop up.
Bad Bad LL.
Colette Meiji
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04-26-2009 07:55
From: Talarus Luan
Where? WHERE are the "supportive comments"? "Most of them are emailed/PMed/IMed directly to us!" will be the most obvious answer, since the vast majority of the responses made public are NOT supportive.


Thats what they always do. Give us something no one asked for and then claim we all asked for it.

Its like a shell game. But with blog posts.
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04-26-2009 07:56
From: Colette Meiji
Thats what they always do. Give us something no one asked for and then claim we all asked for it.

Its like a shell game. But with blog posts.


Send your supportive emails to 3CardMonte Linden
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04-26-2009 07:57
From: Innula Zenovka
Ah.. that's not what the sign says, or what Live Help seemed to think-- I believe you rather than them, but I'm just saying.
The sign is old.

From: someone
Does this mean that, if I can tp to Arapmaima (which I can) using Second Life 1.22.11, I'm OK?
That's the official word, yes. Don't bother with the newer versions yet, they're developer-only and not final.
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04-26-2009 08:11
From: Blondin Linden
Yes, people will be turned down. The reason is that the majority of people will not need to move. Many others would simply need to remove a word or two from their land info or search tags and they would be fine on Mature.


Why?