Can sexual or violent animations be used in M regions in private (e.g. in homes or skyboxes)?
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-22-2009 14:01
Can sexual or violent animations be used in M regions in private (e.g. in homes or skyboxes)? _____________________
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Ian Undercroft
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04-22-2009 14:02
I expressly stated that I advertised nothing, and yet, owing to sexual content, I was informed that my wholly owned private estate island home is "adult".
To be honest, at the very least I'm borderline, and would much rather be adult to avoid any future hassle. As already observed, if this is so, the mainland private home sex bed/sex poseball exemption is untenable. |
Lindal Kidd
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04-22-2009 14:02
Private Regions with Adult content will still have to flag themselves as Adult. Private homes on the mainland won't have to change anything Well, THAT's new. And it should be a real wakeup call to private estate owners. Suddenly your estates just lost a whole lot of value to a whole lot of customers. _____________________
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-22-2009 14:03
Can sexual or violent animations be used in M regions in private (e.g. in homes or skyboxes)? Private Regions with Adult content will still have to flag themselves as Adult. Private homes on the mainland won't have to change anything Think that one through, could ya? What about Private Homes on Private Regions? Are you saying that the only place you can have a personal sexgen bed in your own home or skybox is on an Adult private region or on the mainland? ![]() _____________________
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RichD Tomsen
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04-22-2009 14:04
Photorealistic nudity would be RL pornographic images uploaded into SL. What about ARTISIC NUDES... RL Photos of Nudes NOT presented in a sexual manner _____________________
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Aphrodite Tagore
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Not gonna get an Answer to LAG
04-22-2009 14:05
See, I get to keep my L$200...
No answer to the fly agaric in the soup, umm, fly in the ointment question about performance and comparable loading yet. There is no answer, no guarantee. They haven't considered these situation. Never invited me to "Brown Bag". WHAT ABOUT THE BLOODY LAG? Stone the crows, Blondin, what about that? Rigtht. |
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04-22-2009 14:06
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Ciaran Laval
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04-22-2009 14:06
If the beach or pool one is attending on a PG region, then it would be expected for male avatars to be shirtless. Female nipples should not be displayed on PG but would be acceptable on Mature. Female nipples are not mature content. Topless sunbathing is not mature content either. |
Shockwave Yareach
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04-22-2009 14:07
Thus far, it sounds like every sim that has any home with any sexbed in it or picture of Michelangelo's David will have to be Adult.
You are going to have nothing but Adult sims at this rate. |
Argent Stonecutter
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04-22-2009 14:09
Female nipples are not mature content. Topless sunbathing is not mature content either. _____________________
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Drake1 Nightfire
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04-22-2009 14:10
See, I get to keep my L$200... No answer to the fly agaric in the soup, umm, fly in the ointment question about performance and comparable loading yet. There is no answer, no guarantee. They haven't considered these situation. Never invited me to "Brown Bag". WHAT ABOUT THE BLOODY LAG? Stone the crows, Blondin, what about that? Rigtht. Technically speaking, your lag issue is due to an old worn out computer, yes? if so, how is that LL problem? If not, im not sure how they can answer you about the future lag in a sim where it hasnt been decided who will be on that sim with you.. |
RichD Tomsen
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04-22-2009 14:12
Those screen shots would still be sexualized depictions would they not? Actually NO... "Adult" In RL is the blatant display of the Female vagina in a non clinical manner or the male erect penis. everything else is considered PG or Mature. I use the difference between a move shown on Cinamax and that same move shown in a XXX movie house... its not about what is perceived.. its about what is actually shown. there is a very clear definition _____________________
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Izz Ghost
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04-22-2009 14:16
Actually NO... "Adult" In RL is the blatant display of the Female vagina in a non clinical manner or the male erect penis. everything else is considered PG or Mature. I use the difference between a move shown on Cinamax and that same move shown in a XXX movie house... its not about what is perceived.. its about what is actually shown. there is a very clear definition 100% I agree |
Aeneas Beaumont
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04-22-2009 14:21
Be more specific. Is your land for personal use or do you advertise sexual content on it? To Blondin: It wasn't my question, but this concerns me as well. If I have a home, on an estate now flagged as 'mature', and: - it has a full range of BDSM stuff, - it has a very nice sexgen bed, - it has pictures depicting sexual acts, - there is nothing for sale (barring some stuff that is for sale because of jumbled settings by the creator - happens every now and then) - it is not advertised - but it is accessible for everyone because I hate banlines and banlists what does it mean then? It's private, but usable by everyone. Is it still mature or is it adult? |
Milla Janick
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04-22-2009 14:21
Those screen shots would still be sexualized depictions would they not? Field trip to the Xcite store during your office hours today? Are Lindens still doing surveys of potential adult material in world? Would it be possible for you to announce it here so residents could tag along and get a handle on what's going to fall on which side of the line? _____________________
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Matthew Dowd
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04-22-2009 14:23
Yes. A performance of a Shakespeare play can be on either regions According to the definitions a PG region does not permit "any content that is suggestive of any (even mildly) sexual or violent themes, or references to social drug or alcohol usage" yet you will find more than just suggestions of violence, sex, alcohol, even rape in Shakespeare! Matthew |
Aphrodite Tagore
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Lag... Still No Word
04-22-2009 14:23
The real issue is that my current parcel in its current region on it present simulator is just peachy.... that is why I keep paying these people about two-thirds of every cent I earn in world.
Originally posted by [bold]Drake1 Nightfire[/bold]: Technically speaking, your lag issue is due to an old worn out computer, yes? if so, how is that LL problem? |
Minke Bailey
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Are there plans for parcel exchanges if I have to move later on?
04-22-2009 14:30
Right now I do not offer any adult items at my furniture store - but when I forked out hundreds (actually thousands) of US$ for my mature mainland parcels I was under the impression that I could offer the content I would see fit. That's why I went for mainland and put up with the sometimes unpleasant "side effects" of mainland instead of estate land where I'd have to follow a covenant, I wanted to be sure that I can make changes any time.
Now if I change my mind later on and decide to actually add a more adult themed line to my store I'm left with a huge junk of (probably) wothless mature mainland and I'd have to fork out even more US$ for adult land - seriously, that can't be it... *** Are there any plans for a parcel exchange for thouse who might need to move at a later point of time if the purchase date of current parcels clearly states you bought the land prior to the announcement of the new policy? *** Right now I wouldn't qualify for a move, and spending weeks updating landmarks doesn't sound like a fun thing, but not moving clearly restricts any futher business plans that might come up some day. |
RichD Tomsen
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How about this
04-22-2009 14:31
How about LL renames the new continent to MAYFLOWER in honor of the puritans.. Then people that were unable to handle the rest of SL could be placed in the middle of thousands of square meters of Fully clothed Nuderd fuzzy bunnies and flowers with their reproductive organs removes. And as an added bonus all 12 of them would be issued helmets and arrive on little yellow busses.
Your Punishing the MAJORITY of us for the unsubstantiated and self-admitted minority… _____________________
STOP THE MADNESS... Have Linden Labs Halt all implementation of Adult Content by Voting for
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Aphrodite Tagore
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Lag... Still No Word
04-22-2009 14:37
There were threee performance factors described in my original post.
Technically speaking, your lag issue is due to an old worn out computer, yes? if so, how is that LL problem? If not, im not sure how they can answer you about the future lag in a sim where it hasnt been decided who will be on that sim with you.. Where this becomes a LL issue is that I will in all likeliehood be ported to a new parcel that is likely to be surrounded by high-load residents against my prersonal preference. I am fine where I am, and I LIKE it. I can play there. YOUR OVERSIMPLIFICATION EXEMPLIFIES THE TYPICAL SOPHISTRY OF THE BOURGEOIS CLASS. I want an answer.... I provide MATURE FANTASY ROLE PLAY performances on an individual or small group basis, and I want to be assured that I can continue to enjoy such play. I can't maintain sessions in many popular Adult themed sims, nor could I even get to the blasted eggs on the Egg Island thing... I should not lose my ease of use because of an adverse act of the licensor. |
Roxanne Questi
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The wrong group is being moved
04-22-2009 14:42
How about LL renames the new continent to MAYFLOWER in honor of the puritans.. Then people that were unable to handle the rest of SL could be placed in the middle of thousands of square meters of Fully clothed Nuderd fuzzy bunnies and flowers with their reproductive organs removes. And as an added bonus all 12 of them would be issued helmets and arrive on little yellow busses. Your Punishing the MAJORITY of us for the unsubstantiated and self-admitted minority… YES: move the business and educational entities, if their sensibilities are the ones being offended. In fact, i would like to have MORE freedom, not less, and I was hoping to propose a notecard system upon entering certain areas: "you are entering a mature sim... if you do not want to see prim naughty bits, you will enjoy these (listed) sims" |
Nicola Samiam
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04-22-2009 14:47
There are places on planet earth where sex outside marriage is illegal and punishable by death by firing squad in public view. There are places where adultery is punishable by death by stoning (if you are a woman anyway). So? My point is, SL can never be the perfectly lawful society in the eyes of every legal jurisdiction. Every line that is drawn between what is and what is not "adult" is totally artificial. There is no point appealing to one or another judiciary to ask what is internationally correct. In SL, I say, live and let live. And if LL abandon that creed the game will be over. K I agree, but what I think LL are failing to mention is that is having to follow US law, presumably because its servers are there. BUT, I think that they're overreacting to that legislation - and they're in this position because they dropped any form of verification on entry to SL (ie: free accounts). It's the equivalent of a bar or night club in rl USA having to create special secure areas for adults, because the doormen let a whole bunch of minors in through the front door. Or like a cinema showing an XXX rated film obscuring the screen when anything "naughty" happens, because it sold tickets to kids. Movies depict (in a "photorealistic" way) lots and lots of activities that are illegal in rl, but they're allowed to because the audience is filtered on entry. Since free accounts were introduced, there's been no such filtering, so LL are having to do it within SL to avoid legal action. There's no "zoning" within "There" because they have always recognised that all ages are allowed in through the doors. To my mind, the nature of SL is changing, by the implementation of this AO nonsene, from a game/experience that used to be explicitly for adults, to one which will be zoned artificially way after the event. I think they should have just stuck an 18 rating (with verification) on the existing SL grid, and then opened up the teen grid as a "family" version. But of course, that will never happen, because it would never make any money! |
Amelia Marikh
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04-22-2009 14:47
Geez, what are you doing with a club on a homestead sim anyway? Don't you know it cuts your possible attendance in half? Not to mention performance issues. 1. of course i am aware of how many people can be on a homestead sim at one time, not brain dead. 2. i happen to have no performance issues 3. none of the above is the point because i was asking a simple question if you dont have an answer there is no need to comment in such a way im simply trying to find out where i stand is all. but thank you for the imput ![]() |
Alisha Matova
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04-22-2009 14:48
Private Regions with Adult content will still have to flag themselves as Adult. Private homes on the mainland won't have to change anything What I am sure you meant to say: Private Regions with *Advertised* Adult content will have to flag the entire region as adult.... I sure hope so, or you are going to upset a *few* residential estate owners... Please clarify.. =/ |
Blondin Linden
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04-22-2009 14:49
Will LL offer free land swaps (to a mature region) to any PG mainland owners who are affected by the new definition of PG? The swap will be for those on mainland who are moving to the new adult continent. |