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Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Lindal Kidd
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04-22-2009 13:01
From: Ann Otoole
My questions never get answered for some reason.

Blood spatters. On clothing. On boots. Mature or adult?

My mainland location is on the border of a welcome area making it hugely more valuable than normal land. You will place me in equivalent land on the border of a welcome center in the adult continent correct?

Answer please.


Land bordering a Welcome Area is more valuable? Yikes, Ann! The noobs and griefers there have no money, only lag.
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04-22-2009 13:01
From: Korena Starbrook
can anyone tell me what all those buildings are on the new Ursula???



according to blondin they're municipal buildings
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Ayla Holt
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04-22-2009 13:01
Ok so............... this forum is called " Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions ".

It seems to me that its is questions and then question to questions. I would like some answers Blondin.

I'm mainland. I sell poseballs. What happens to my sex poseballs? Do I just delete them?

What about clothing I make that has sheer items that show the skin underneith?

What about search keywords like "sex" ?

What about cuddle balls or kissing balls? Do they have to be 1950's prom style where the pelvis of each avatar don't touch?

I need answers.
Fudgey Jenkins
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04-22-2009 13:01
From: Couldbe Yue
I should of course take this at face value and get thin lipped and point out that notifying your customers is also a good idea too. Particularly since you have no real shareholders to impress. Your venture capitalists in this aren't even proper ones, they're just people with too much money. lol

However I digress. It's pointless trying to be personable when we're in the middle of a hatefest towards you. ;)


i dont see how this is capitalism.. isn't telling people what they can and cant sell based on the greater good of a community more like communism, or socialism?

people have been saying "this is like nazi germany!" exactly, nazi's were socialists, they controlled the population and told people what they could and couldn't be, i don't think this change has anything to do with capitalism, this is the big corperations taking over individual small businesses for the assumed greater good of SL.

not capitalism, socialism
Talarus Luan
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04-22-2009 13:03
From: Milla Janick
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Couldbe Yue
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04-22-2009 13:04
From: Fudgey Jenkins
i dont see how this is capitalism.. isn't telling people what they can and cant sell based on the greater good of a community more like communism, or socialism?

people have been saying "this is like nazi germany!" exactly, nazi's were socialists, they controlled the population and told people what they could and couldn't be, i don't think this change has anything to do with capitalism, this is the big corperations taking over individual small businesses for the assumed greater good of SL.

not capitalism, socialism



didn't you try to godwin this thread a few pages ago?? It's not going to work sweetie.

If you really need to compare LL to someone - try mussolini. This is a fascist regime not nazi
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Talarus Luan
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04-22-2009 13:04
From: Korena Starbrook
can anyone tell me what all those buildings are on the new Ursula???


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Milla Janick
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04-22-2009 13:05
From: Ann Otoole
My mainland location is on the border of a welcome area making it hugely more valuable than normal land. You will place me in equivalent land on the border of a welcome center in the adult continent correct?

The Arapaima Infohub at Ursula is located on an island three regions away from the mainland.
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Korena Starbrook
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04-22-2009 13:05
From: Argent Stonecutter
Monorail stations. Hot throbbing monorails.

Edit: Google says 'No results found for "hot throbbing monorail".' Better do something about that.


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Blondin Linden
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04-22-2009 13:06
From: RichD Tomsen


How about some answers.... your FAQ tells me nothing concrete. What will be considered ADULT?... I want a list.. what will be considered adult in the search?... again I want a list... Am I going to spend my time now fighting AR's over strangers doing nasty things on my land when I'm not there?... How will people become "Verified"? If they do, will they by default be allowed to search and visit adult areas, or will, like now, have to remember a checkbox to do a full search so my vendors don't get frozen out. Will we have to put little yellow stars over the "nasty bits" in order to sell skins and art on our land.... if we are FORCED to move to this new continent.. will the tracts be EXACTLY as they are now, including access to large tracts of open ocean and similar surroundings?.... or will we be dumped and forgotten in some ghetto someplace? I don’t have anything in my opinion that is considered “ADULT” by any standard. I do however have vendors that sell Skins, and I have a gallery and Photo studio, where I sell SL & RL artistic and Glamour nudes, as well as Vintage (1930’s – 50’s) erotica. By RL standards all this is considered Mature at most. But I don’t have any concrete answers. Am I going to log on one day and find that the nuns from the AO Gestapo have banished me to some dark hole someplace, and all my work and efforts will have been for nothing, and its simply a slow and expensive SL death.


I've answered some of these questions in previous posts. If you look up my posts, you should be able to find some answers.
Hypatia Darkstone
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04-22-2009 13:07
From: Argent Stonecutter
Everything that is not "adult content or conduct" and not "promoted or advertised publicly".
The problem is NOT what is definitely Adult and therefore required to move, but what might now not fit under mature anymore and eventually get in trouble for it.
Talarus Luan
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04-22-2009 13:08
From: Fudgey Jenkins
i dont see how this is capitalism.. isn't telling people what they can and cant sell based on the greater good of a community more like communism, or socialism?

people have been saying "this is like nazi germany!" exactly, nazi's were socialists, they controlled the population and told people what they could and couldn't be, i don't think this change has anything to do with capitalism, this is the big corperations taking over individual small businesses for the assumed greater good of SL.

not capitalism, socialism


No, it's even worse.. it is corporatism. :(
Marin Mielziner
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Question concerning "adult" content in Performing & Visual Arts
04-22-2009 13:09
How would this issue affect live theatrical performances? For instance, in March 2008 a group of talented and dedicated SL writers and actors created and produced the highly successful stage production "In the Pink," to raise funds and awareness for V-Day, the global movement to end violence to women and girls. Our original production was a series of monologues and sketches written and performed by SL residents and the subject was sexuality of women. By certain standards the material could be defined as "adult" in nature with its frank discussion of sexuality, language, and violence towards women. But this was all in a effort to raise awareness. I do not feel that the material should be considered smut, but by applying the rubric description of the 3 proposed areas, our show would be banished to the "adult" continent to reside among some of the same content it was designed to combat. Although we also celebrated the sexuality of women, our awareness and fund raising goals would have been meaningless and we would have had difficulty reaching a broad audience.

Some might say we could go to a private sim. Indeed we could and "In the Pink" was hosted on Ivy Falls, a private sim. However if all artistic endeavors are sent to private sims then the cost of production goes up substantially, thus stifling many new works. Plus would we not have mark our content as "adult"?

I know it's a difficult subject. In RL we get it too. For instance Daddy Warbucks in "Annie" uses the word "damn" and Tinkerbell in "Peter Pan" calls Peter a "ass". Hardly shows that you'd warn the audience about "language". You'd rate it G, right? In both productions I was involved with, you should have heard the complaints. So I know it's hard to please everybody.
But please consider the legitimate artistic community of writers, songwriters, and theatre and visual artists.

I am interested in speaking to someone further about this issue. Unless precisely defined, I can see that such censorship will severely hamper the artistic creativity that is now beginning to enfold in SL. There is truly groundbreaking work being created here. Please don't stifle it; I'm sure that working together to further define this issue is needed.

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Kalderi Tomsen
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04-22-2009 13:10
From: Fudgey Jenkins
well my intire island looks as though it will have to move, the guy next to me has a dungeon and the guy next to him has gay photos in a skybox, and every single one of them has a sex bed :P
My understanding is that as long as these aren't "public places" (i.e. you don't advertise) then you will not have to move, as these are considered private.
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Emilly Orr
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Seconded!
04-22-2009 13:10
From: Matthew Dowd
Can we not use the abbreviation AO for Adult Oriented. AO already has an accepted meaning with SL namely Animation Overrider.

Matthew


THANK YOU, this has been killing my brain through the whole process. When AO popped up as a handy contraction, I had that moment of "what do walking animations have to do with adult content?"

I still have to fight to hear "AO" and relate it to "adult content".
Fudgey Jenkins
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04-22-2009 13:11
From: Kalderi Tomsen
My understanding is that as long as these aren't "public places" (i.e. you don't advertise) then you will not have to move, as these are considered private.


i wonder if having them in my pics just to be able to port without looking for the landmark, would be considered advertising? :P
Hypatia Darkstone
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04-22-2009 13:11
From: Blondin Linden
I've answered some of these questions in previous posts. If you look up my posts, you should be able to find some answers.
Why didn't you make a locked question answer reference thread?
That's rhetorical do not answer this one.
Hypatia Darkstone
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04-22-2009 13:14
From: Kalderi Tomsen
My understanding is that as long as these aren't "public places" (i.e. you don't advertise) then you will not have to move, as these are considered private.
I would like to see that officially stated in the fAQs
Talarus Luan
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04-22-2009 13:14
From: Blondin Linden
I've answered some of these questions in previous posts. If you look up my posts, you should be able to find some answers.


More like "few", and the answers don't actually answer much, since the policy has changed significantly since you answered them.

That still leaves a cubic arseload of questions which have been asked of you that you've completely and repeatedly ignored.

So, yeah, we can find some answers; just not the ones to the questions we're asking.

Customer Service Protip: To avoid inducing ire, ridicule, sarcasm, spite, hate, derision, etc in your customers, TRY actually, you know, SERVICING them. It's amazing what it will do to effect understanding and support FROM your customers.

Of course, I know that isn't your REAL job here. ;) So, please, do carry on!
Lord Sullivan
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04-22-2009 13:16
From: Couldbe Yue
Lord Sullivan is the man for that.. Hopefully he'll be around soon.


Lets just say domains have been brought and our own servers here in Amsterdam are being loaded and programmed with a project at this time so watch this space ;)

Constanza is under an NDA so don't ask her lol and i may be looking for programmers in the near future :)
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Amelia Marikh
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04-22-2009 13:18
I have been trying to follow this issue off and on and aside from the problems with verification i have (being a european) i do have one question which may or may not have been answered somewhere already and i appologise if it has.
How will this affect homestead sims? currantly we have one and are slightly in limbo with regards to changing the existing club incase this new "thing" would affect what we do. again sorry if this has been asked before
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04-22-2009 13:19
From: Argent Stonecutter
I thought they went to the Netherlands first.


LOL i am not a puritan
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Aphrodite Tagore
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It's about the LAG!
04-22-2009 13:21
Look, I doubt you folks at Linden Lab will ever see or respond to this (L$200 says that you won't).

What about the lag? Aside from your invertebrate kowtowing to the enemies of Liberty that Thomas Jefferson warned about, WHAT ABOUT THE LAG?

I have a 4096m^2 parcel in Saengseon, a Mature Business region. Currently, the region runs about 3300 SCRIPTS, and I think the OBJECT COUNT ON THE REGION IS LESS THAN 10K. Me, with my laggy old computer, bad cable service, and the inherent FUBARs of the SL grid FIND IT TOLERABLE and my sessions are sustainable in that simulator.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LAG?

ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE ME A SPOT THAT SHOWS SIMILAR LOADING OF THE SIM?

ACTUALLY, AND TO QUOTE THE MOST EXCELLENT GOVERNATOR, "YOUR ARE ALL A BUNCH OF GIRLY MEN." (I usually don't do ad hominem, but gee, that felt good... nothing personal...)

WHY NOT ALLOW US TO EXCLUDE PEOPLE ON THE BASIS OF VERICATION, AS WE ARE ABLE TO DO ON PAYMENT STATUS?

AND HOW WILL YOU ACT TO GIVE ME AND MY STAFF THE SAME OR SIMILAR EXPERIENCE I HAVE NOW ON MY PRESENT PARCEL?

I DO NOT WISH TO HAVE ANY ADVERSE ACT ON YOUR PART AFFECT MY PLAY NEGATIVELY. (Re-read this preceeding sentence several times, it is telling.)

You know, if only someone had taken that open source and really run with it, we wouldn't be having this discussion...

Back in the 60's we would have said you all had been "co-opted by the man, and sold out to the establishment".

A realy forward thinking developer would, IMHO, put a V-chip like button in "Preferences" and anything that exists on an Adult parcel would not be there, and parcel boundaries would approximate giving views only into the Mouse Factory kinds of spaces...

Act like geniuses, for Ruth's sake, and use some serious darn good coding... but it's clear you have taken the low thick forehead route of the neanderthals, "Duh..we can't handle this elegantly, so, umm, we'll brute force it and just throw it into the empty lot next door."

GO AHEAD, CONSTRAIN THE STATE OF YOUR ART.
Argent Stonecutter
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04-22-2009 13:30
From: Hypatia Darkstone
The problem is NOT what is definitely Adult and therefore required to move, but what might now not fit under mature anymore and eventually get in trouble for it.
NO, the PROBLEM is that Blondin Linden stated that a personal build... not advertised or promoted or even publicly accessible... needed to be designated as Adult.
From: Kalderi Tomsen
My understanding is that as long as these aren't "public places" (i.e. you don't advertise) then you will not have to move, as these are considered private.
See above. :(
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Ayla Holt
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04-22-2009 13:31
From: Ayla Holt
1. I have a poseball/animation store. I have a small section that contains sex poseballs. Should I just take them all out of my store now and stop selling them? I am not going to move my whole business to a new land when only a very small part of it is sex poseballs.

2. What about couples cuddle balls, same sex cuddle balls?

3. My clothing line that has sheer tops where the nipples might show? Mature or Adult?

4. Words in search that are not allowed............ is the word "sex" going to be a problem? What if I want to put in search that I have same sex poseballs (meaning gay and lesbian cuddles) ?

5. Are you going to pass out a step by step guideline manual for each resident in SL because there are fuzzy lines that we really need answers to.

6. And for the last question... what the hell are the mature and PG areas for? Why even have "mature"? I guess it just makes no sense to me that something that has been allowed for years is suddenly not ok.

Don't you people have better things to do like getting rid of the illegal things in sl first? I can't even tell you how many times I have had to report underage players or groups that were clearly illegal. Yet those residents are still in sl.



I wonder how many times I have to post this before Blondin or some other Linden actually answers?

Hello.........Blondin............ are you there? I'm still waiting for answers. They really aren't hard questions.
I am on mainland and my questions are posted in the quote above. If you want people to comply with the upcoming changes then we need to know how to comply. I NEED to know.

Sigh.... I'll just keep asking till I get an answer I guess.