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Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Izz Ghost
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04-22-2009 11:55
Thanks for the answer Blondin,

I guess now the question is will be are the xcite dance poles adult? *they interact with a customers xcite parts.

How about dual poles? * they I would think simulate sexual acts that some may not consider just a strip club... I do but, I won't be ARing myself or partners.

Pose balls sex rooms..

Heres' the catch we have outside pose balls that gradually go from smooch to xcite smooch to revelation 1, then 2 then 3 and then Love scene in a garden type area outside the small club. is this adult? are those pose balls going to be considered adult? they are pretty hot!


I am going to assume the land will be adult including the house that is open to the public with sex bed in it open to all. there are 9000+sqm of land multi use from a small store to the strippers to a public/private home.

I am publicly noting we will be applying for Ursala land.
Baal Infinity
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04-22-2009 11:57
From: Fudgey Jenkins
so i'm basically ** if i own 1/4th of a sim on estate? i will not be included in the move and therefore i will lose everything because of this stuff? i do not have the money to buy another sim?


There will most likely be lots of Private Estate land rated as Adult that you could move you items to, and there would most likely be many that would not require you to buy anything, just pay the weekly rental. We plan to have quite a few Sims worth of private estate land Rated Adult for business with Adult content to rent from. Some of the smaller estates may not have enough sims to mark some as adult and others as Mature, but I do expect most of the Larger Estates will have Adult rated land available. There may be a bit of hassle moving stuff around but I don't think you will have any problem finding Adult rated Estate land.
Kirsty Shoreman
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what will non-business people do?
04-22-2009 11:58
No one is explaining what will happen to ordinary people who are not running businesses or anything. Do we just get told to leave the game when this change is introduced? No one seems to care about the ordinary user.

K
Fudgey Jenkins
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Join date: 9 Sep 2007
Posts: 81
04-22-2009 11:59
From: Ciaran Laval
Private etstate is getting the rough end of the deal here yes, LL won't address the concerns, in all reality it should be parcel level restrictions on private estate, if educators and professionals don't know how to avoid adult content then you have to wonder why they're educating anyone and just what profession are they hoping to excel in that requires someone to hold their hand for the rest of their lives.


i'm probably quiting SL over this and going to some place like open sims, i was going to start creating content, i had already made a few builds, but if linden is going down the road of not leting artists express themselves in anything over PG-13 level content, as well as screwing over SO many estate owners! i wont bother
Shockwave Yareach
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04-22-2009 11:59
From: Couldbe Yue
so inflicting violence is ok, just not sex??

I apologise to the rest of the world on behalf of Britain for allowing the puritans to escape Britain for America all those years ago.


hey now. Most of us on this side of the pond think this whole LL action is as assinine and idiotic as you Euros do.
Blondin Linden
Linden Lab Employee
Join date: 2 Jun 2008
Posts: 381
04-22-2009 12:01
From: KT Syakumi
in two minds about this. On one hand, I'm sick of people in leather helmets dragging naked people in chains through my store. On the other hand, I hope you have employed another team to handle all the ARs and confusion as people seek to define what adult is. For example:

I own an art gallery. The nude is a popular artistic expression. I'm sure some nudes would be acceptable, but where do you draw the line? And isn't that censorship of the arts?


Nudity itself will not be considered ADULT. As to drawing a line - we know there will be many different types of edge cases and will be prepared to evaluate them on a case by case basis.

From: KT Syakumi
My store sells products that aren't sexually explicit but can be used in clubs and brothels that would definitely be adult. So we use adult keywords in search. Can we still sell these complete with keywords in a normal sim, or must we remove all adult words in our classifieds, either diminishing our market or forcing us to double our advertising bill?


Assuming your store is mainland, you can either:
1) remove the adult keywords from you advertising and stay on mature land. These keywords will be filtered and only accessible to verified accounts.
2) file a ticket and move to the Adult continent

If the keywords are of extreme importance in your marketing campaigns, then it may be beneficial to re-locate.

From: KT Syakumi
How will landlords who designate their sims adult get on with their non verified tenants? One of the benefits of private sims is that you don't need a premium account to rent or 'buy' land there. A basic account, non verified, could run a successful brothel (for example) on a private sim, which the owner would have to mark as adult because of the brothel, meaning that the brothel owner could no longer stay there as they would no longer have access (to there OR the new adult mainland). This i think would affect and upset alot of sim landlords.


Private estate owners will have the choice of which level of maturity to flag their land. If we look at the example you listed above - you are correct. If the estate owner flags the land adult, then the non verified resident would not be able to enter to run his/her brothel. The resident would first have to verify to enter the region. On the flip side, if the estate owner flagged the land Mature, the brothel would have to move to an Adult region, whether the tenant who owns it was verified or not.

From: KT Syakumi
And if I have a premium account connected to paypal, is that a verified payment method? does that gain me access to adultworld, or is there another step?


You would be double safe as both a Premium account and a verified paypal will both count as age verification.
Argent Stonecutter
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04-22-2009 12:01
From: Kirsty Shoreman
No one is explaining what will happen to ordinary people who are not running businesses or anything. Do we just get told to leave the game when this change is introduced?
Well, theoretically, if you're not a business you're not advertising anything and all your porn is safely inside your middle-american two bedroom split level where nobody can stumble across it... so you theoretically don't have to move.
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Talarus Luan
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04-22-2009 12:02
From: Kirsty Shoreman
No, a photograph is a photograph: it's not actually real.

When i go to bed with my partner i don't simply grab a photo and say "great this is real" do I?

K


I didn't say they were "the real thing", I said they are "ACTUAL realism". In other words, they are a representation of ACTUAL reality, or "the real thing" (that's what "realism" means).
Fudgey Jenkins
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Posts: 81
04-22-2009 12:02
From: Baal Infinity
There will most likely be lots of Private Estate land rated as Adult that you could move you items to, and there would most likely be many that would not require you to buy anything, just pay the weekly rental. We plan to have quite a few Sims worth of private estate land Rated Adult for business with Adult content to rent from. Some of the smaller estates may not have enough sims to mark some as adult and others as Mature, but I do expect most of the Larger Estates will have Adult rated land available. There may be a bit of hassle moving stuff around but I don't think you will have any problem finding Adult rated Estate land.


well my intire island looks as though it will have to move, the guy next to me has a dungeon and the guy next to him has gay photos in a skybox, and every single one of them has a sex bed :P
Ayla Holt
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04-22-2009 12:04
I haven't read all of the posts here ( I just don't have that kind of time ) :) but...... seems to me that nobody is happy with this decission. So why are they doing it?

If this is to help the residents of sl have a better gaming experence then you would think they would listen to the residents and what they desire. I mean, aren't the residents their customers? Aren't "we" their income?

Just thought I would share that thought. :)
Ciaran Laval
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04-22-2009 12:07
From: Ayla Holt
I haven't read all of the posts here ( I just don't have that kind of time ) :) but...... seems to me that nobody is happy with this decission. So why are they doing it?

If this is to help the residents of sl have a better gaming experence then you would think they would listen to the residents and what they desire. I mean, aren't the residents their customers? Aren't "we" their income?

Just thought I would share that thought. :)


Merging the grids is not going to be a popular decision either, but you can't get to that stage without dealing with this stage. So LL can go on claiming this has nothing to do with merging the grids but when they're effectively turning mature mainland into PG, nothing else makes sense.

When you add to that the fact that islands have to be flagged as adult in their entirety for the tiniest bit of adult content that meets the new guidelines then it's fairly obvious that this is stage one of the grid merger.
Kirsty Shoreman
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Posts: 44
so right
04-22-2009 12:08
From: Fudgey Jenkins
i'm probably quiting SL over this and going to some place like open sims, i was going to start creating content, i had already made a few builds, but if linden is going down the road of not leting artists express themselves in anything over PG-13 level content, as well as screwing over SO many estate owners! i wont bother


I very much agree with this. Educators in particular are going to be no more or less interested in SL as a consequence of this change largely because there is a huge community of people under age 18 who are significant participants in education and educators would be total idiots to contemplate going down a route which currently excludes those people. SL is doing nothing to address that. From this view it would be better to create a whole new gird specifically for education: it would have no adult content but it would have, what education establishments actually need: no age restrictions either.

As for professionals: what does that mean? Are these professionals people who need to be extra protected from human sexuality? I doubt it.

K
Shockwave Yareach
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Join date: 4 Oct 2006
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A third way around LL
04-22-2009 12:08
SexAndLife.com

A search and advertisement system that is privately run and is outside of LL control and analysis. Don't worry about LL's trying to ban you to Pornsylvania - advertise your skins, bits, poses and strip clubs here instead. You aren't advertising in SL, after all, so you no longer count as a business in their eyes.

Would somebody create the XXX off-LL-site search engine please?
Hypatia Darkstone
*I* Am Adult Content
Join date: 22 Jul 2008
Posts: 19
Some FAQs & Links Missing
04-22-2009 12:10
From: Blondin Linden
Yes


These changes should come with the new viewer.


past and present PIU, PIOF, and Xstreet transactions.


SL Exchange will count so you wont have to use Aristotle if you don't want to.

So you need the new viewer for a NPIOF to update to PIOF In world and then be able to TP to Arrapaima (and later Ursula). I don't think that is actually the case. Some how i thought that account status it self had nothing to do with the viewer, what the viewer supplies is the filtering tools.

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Please Note (Theses things need to be fixed):

1) FAQs still direct people only to Aristotle or directly submitting RL documents
2) The Verification link still direct people only to Aristotle or directly submitting RL documents
3) The ONLY "Basic Account" ticket option on verification only leads to submitting hard documentation to verify. An "I verified but my account hasn't updateing" option needs to be added.

4) NIPOF converting to PIOF Is not updating in world automatically
5) Accounts are not converting to PIU in world automatically by being PAID on Xstreet/SLX

The currently linked Verification info and help appears to be only for the "Aristotle Beta" and for those ARed for being under age.

I really think this stuff needs to be updated too!
Blondin Linden
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Join date: 2 Jun 2008
Posts: 381
04-22-2009 12:10
From: Tanya Spinotti
Apologies if this has already been covered but I can't see that it has.

I'd like to know what Estate Owner responsibilities are. I can see some very clear guidance on Mainland, and technical information on how to set estate, region and parcel maturity ratings; what I can't see is what estate owners are required to do and enforce.

Could this be answered in an FAQ?

In my example, I have a small number of regions which are currently listed as mature, on which I rent out parcels for commercial & residential use.

Going forward, I'd like to leave my estate at Mature, regions at Mature and ensure that any parcels which contain adult content (as defined by LL, and there wouldn't be very many of them) are flagged as age-verified. I would include in my covenant that residents are required to do this, and I would expect myself (as the estate owner) to enforce the new covenant. Is this acceptable under the new policy? (I think it is, but I can't see a direct answer to this)

In this situation, can estate owners rely on LL to provide a decision on whether something is adult or not, in the case of dispute? I know that generally LL tend to keep out of resident-estate owner disputes, but as this is enforcement of a LL policy, I would expect your input if required.

Thanks :)


Flagging will have to be done by region and not by parcel. Since it sounds like you have a mix, it may be easier to flag the region as Adult.
Korena Starbrook
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04-22-2009 12:10
From: Ayla Holt
I haven't read all of the posts here ( I just don't have that kind of time ) :) but...... seems to me that nobody is happy with this decission. So why are they doing it?



253 guaranteed new sim sales and corresponding monthly tiers.
Couldbe Yue
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04-22-2009 12:11
From: Shockwave Yareach
SexAndLife.com

A search and advertisement system that is privately run and is outside of LL control and analysis. Don't worry about LL's trying to ban you to Pornsylvania - advertise your skins, bits, poses and strip clubs here instead. You aren't advertising in SL, after all, so you no longer count as a business in their eyes.

Would somebody create the XXX off-LL-site search engine please?


Lord Sullivan is the man for that.. Hopefully he'll be around soon.
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Lord Sullivan
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04-22-2009 12:11
From: Darien Caldwell
I see LL posted their draft of the policy on the blog. Sadly, it's still so vague, I honestly can't tell if my store will fall under the header of Adult or not. I'm also disappointed they say they already had their 'brown bags' and yet I never saw them announced. So much for having a voice in the process. I have tens of thousands of customers who like myself, want to know what is going on.

Given the circumstances I'm going to be forced to press this issue. I'm going to open a ticket, and If I don't get a definitive answer, I'm going to make a phone call, and if I still don't get a definitive answer, I will be on your doorstep, LL.


Good Luck :)
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Matthew Dowd
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Free land swaps for PG mainland owners
04-22-2009 12:12
Under the new definitions, activities on PG land will be significantly restricted compared to the existing rules (e.g. a club or bar even with virtual "alcohol" would not violate the current PG definition but under the new definitions would be only permitted on mature land; indeed even streaming a Tom and Jerry cartoon on PG land would be prohibited under the new definitions but would be fine under the existing ones).

Will LL offer free land swaps (to a mature region) to any PG mainland owners who are affected by the new definition of PG?

Matthew
Fudgey Jenkins
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04-22-2009 12:12
From: Shockwave Yareach
SexAndLife.com

A search and advertisement system that is privately run and is outside of LL control and analysis. Don't worry about LL's trying to ban you to Pornsylvania - advertise your skins, bits, poses and strip clubs here instead. You aren't advertising in SL, after all, so you no longer count as a business in their eyes.

Would somebody create the XXX off-LL-site search engine please?


i dont think the fact that it's a bussness is even important at all anymore, i think this latest update also tagets private land, so anyone with a sex bed that actually uses it would have to move as well or have their landlord flag his or her intire sim as adult.
Darien Caldwell
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04-22-2009 12:12
I like how this Linden so selectively answers questions. Why is it so hard to get an answer to a very simple, cut and dried question. Is D/S (collars, gags etc) Considered Adult?

Why oh why is it so impossible to get an answer from LL on this question?

Why do I have to start getting mean about it and acting in ways I really don't like to. I don't want to start calling your offices yelling my head off. I don't want to come physically down to your offices and start chewing out whoever I happen to get ahold of.

Just please answer the question, here, now.
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Ian Undercroft
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04-22-2009 12:13
I posted:

"I own a single region private estate which is not advertised and which I use only for private purposes in the sense that there is no commercial activity there and I do not rent out any parts of the estate. Upon the estate I have a large building which is deliberately sexually themed in that it contains a significant amount of what might be termed BDSM equipment and other sexually orientated poseballs, sofas, rugs, beds, etc. It is ridiculous that after all all this time it is still unclear to me whether I need to redesignate my estate adult.

However, I have decided that redesignation is the most appropriate course. It avoids me being the subject of an AR or offending any other resident. Perhaps more significantly, it goes a little way towards keeping kids away. Ultimately, as I see things, when (albeit not "immediately";) the teen grid is merged with main grid, many owners of mature estates and parcel owners on mature regions will impose AV or PIU restrictions voluntarily in an attempt to keep kids away and preserve their existing 18+ experience. As I see it, I may as well bite the bullet now as the direction in which things are going seems all too clear."



From: Blondin Linden
You should designate it as Adult.


Thanks Blondin, that's the route I was planning on taking. My position does rather call into question the concept of what is a private residence in SL though (if, indeed, the private residence exemption for sex beds and sex poseballs is still proposed for private residences on M sims). As far as I am concerned my whole estate is my home.
Skatoulaki Nakamori
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Clarification from "working definitions" FAQ
04-22-2009 12:13
On the "Working Definitions" FAQ, it states:
From: someone
Linden Lab has created a special-use "Adult Continent" -- a "mainland" alternative where adult content and conduct can locate and found by Residents. Landowners wishing to host adult activities or make available adult content can either

-Locate on this Adult Continent
-Locate on a Region that has been designated by its owner as Adult

Region owners are responsible for designating a Region's maturity level. Occupants of Regions will be expected to locate in a Region suitable to each occupant's content and conduct.
From the above, it would appear that Adult Content *can remain* on the existing mainland as long as the Region in which it is located is designated as Adult. Is this correct????? Or should that sentence (Locate on a Region that has been designated by its owner as Adult) be changed to read "Locate on a Private Island..."????

Further, your "working definitions" are, as always, ambiguous. Denoting the new Adult Continent as "a 'mainland' alternative where adult content and conduct can locate and found by Residents" [sic] indicates that the AC is an ALTERNATIVE to the existing mainland and not a REQUIREMENT. Clarification on this issue (well...in addition to the numerous other issues, of course) would be appreciated. As it presently reads, anyone who purchased an existing Mature Region for its open restrictions should simply be able to redesignate their existing Region as Adult...
Talarus Luan
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04-22-2009 12:14
From: Korena Starbrook
253 guaranteed new sim sales and corresponding monthly tiers.


If people are going to be moved there, it won't be "new sim sales and corresponding monthly tiers". Meanwhile the "old mainland" becomes as desolate and cratered as the Moon.
Argent Stonecutter
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04-22-2009 12:15
From: Blondin Linden
From: Ian Undercroft

I own a single region private estate which is not advertised and which I use only for private purposes in the sense that there is no commercial activity there and I do not rent out any parts of the estate. Upon the estate I have a large building which is deliberately sexually themed in that it contains a significant amount of what might be termed BDSM equipment and other sexually orientated poseballs, sofas, rugs, beds, etc. It is ridiculous that after all all this time it is still unclear to me whether I need to redesignate my estate adult.
You should designate it as Adult.

Blondin: This contradicts many statements you have made that what would otherwise be adult content in private residences does not need to be in an Adult region.
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