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Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Blondin Linden
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04-22-2009 11:34
From: Ian Undercroft
I own a single region private estate which is not advertised and which I use only for private purposes in the sense that there is no commercial activity there and I do not rent out any parts of the estate. Upon the estate I have a large building which is deliberately sexually themed in that it contains a significant amount of what might be termed BDSM equipment and other sexually orientated poseballs, sofas, rugs, beds, etc. It is ridiculous that after all all this time it is still unclear to me whether I need to redesignate my estate adult.


You should designate it as Adult.
DanielRavenNest Noe
Registered User
Join date: 26 Oct 2006
Posts: 1,076
04-22-2009 11:35
From: Blondin Linden

2) Strip Clubs that use adult key words in listings and in search would be considered Adult.


Please give us a list of adult key words, so we know which to use or not use in listings as appropriate.

Its unfair to expect us to *guess* which words we can not use, and get abuse reported for making the wrong guess
Blondin Linden
Linden Lab Employee
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04-22-2009 11:36
From: Deira Llanfair
Apologies for joining in somewhat late here - but please can someone clarify what is considered "violent" in this context?

Will my martial arts animations be considered "violent"? Or boxing, fencing or gunfighting ones?


Beheadings and torture are two examples of extreme violence.

Your martial arts, boxing, fencing or gunfights would not be considered Adult.
Studly Lockjaw
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04-22-2009 11:40
From: Blondin Linden
1) Strip Club would be Mature.
2) Strip Clubs that use adult key words in listings and in search would be considered Adult. 3) Strip Clubs with sex balls and back room sex areas would be Adult.


hmm.. seems to be a direct taget to some that oppose your idea of a simulated real life it is quite clear one you have not been in a real life strip club but that is a given when you claimed that they did not live on main street USA.

So does this include the if one lists clearly to any and all before the enter such a building that they will be exposed to adult content?

and sense you are to pure to visit such a sim where I have attmpted to take action on my own with the purchase of a devise that would answer your claim and effort to limit adult content in a multi 3/4 sim mall created to not only address the fun side of what 90% of the players want and the sale of other items so in a word i must rent more places all over SL to market my wears to a target market at not only the extra cost but the time to mange the different locations. Well like most people that do play this GAME and lets call it what it is a Game have other rl obligations as you clearly have that limits your time to do what appears to be your job to address this form so it would be limited to just the items that are either clean and pure by your standards or adult content (and again what ever that means cause you have such mix singles on the topic) you clearly say it is not this then if you read the kings english of your post says something totally different.
Sin Toshi
Animated
Join date: 7 Oct 2007
Posts: 75
04-22-2009 11:41
if skins are not what you are referring to, then what type of content are you addressing with "Photo-realistic nudity" ? What level does a screenshot of a nude avatar have to rise to to trigger "photorealistic"?
DanielRavenNest Noe
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Join date: 26 Oct 2006
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04-22-2009 11:41
Originally Posted by Ian Undercroft
I own a single region private estate which is not advertised and which I use only for private purposes in the sense that there is no commercial activity there and I do not rent out any parts of the estate. Upon the estate I have a large building which is deliberately sexually themed in that it contains a significant amount of what might be termed BDSM equipment and other sexually orientated poseballs, sofas, rugs, beds, etc. It is ridiculous that after all all this time it is still unclear to me whether I need to redesignate my estate adult.

From: Blondin Linden
You should designate it as Adult.


I thought you said previously that private homes would not be affected, now it sounds like they are.
Blondin Linden
Linden Lab Employee
Join date: 2 Jun 2008
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04-22-2009 11:41
From: Qie Niangao
And "photorealistic nudity" is also now "Adult" when I sure understood otherwise from earlier responses about skins.


Photorealistic nudity would be RL pornographic images uploaded into SL.

Skin vendors are still Mature.
Couldbe Yue
one unhappy customer
Join date: 30 Mar 2008
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04-22-2009 11:42
From: Blondin Linden
Beheadings and torture are two examples of extreme violence.

Your martial arts, boxing, fencing or gunfights would not be considered Adult.


so inflicting violence is ok, just not sex??

I apologise to the rest of the world on behalf of Britain for allowing the puritans to escape Britain for America all those years ago.
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Ceera Murakami
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04-22-2009 11:43
From: Blondin Linden
1) Strip Club would be Mature.
2) Strip Clubs that use adult key words in listings and in search would be considered Adult. 3) Strip Clubs with sex balls and back room sex areas would be Adult.

And if a stripper struts her stuff on stage in a "Photorealistic skin"? That is what most of the good ones have these days, Blondin. And that new Maturity Ratings FAQ **CLEARLY** lumps "Photorealistic Nudity" as being just as terrible as beheading someone with a fountain of blood!
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Persephone Perdide
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Thank you
04-22-2009 11:43
Thank you SO MUCH Blondin Linden for the answers to all my questions.

Very clear and timely and much appreciated.
Ayla Holt
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Questions For Blondin Linden:
04-22-2009 11:44
1. I have a poseball/animation store. I have a small section that contains sex poseballs. Should I just take them all out of my store now and stop selling them? I am not going to move my whole business to a new land when only a very small part of it is sex poseballs.

2. What about couples cuddle balls, same sex cuddle balls?

3. My clothing line that has sheer tops where the nipples might show? Mature or Adult?

4. Words in search that are not allowed............ is the word "sex" going to be a problem? What if I want to put in search that I have same sex poseballs (meaning gay and lesbian cuddles) ?

5. Are you going to pass out a step by step guideline manual for each resident in SL because there are fuzzy lines that we really need answers to.

6. And for the last question... what the hell are the mature and PG areas for? Why even have "mature"? I guess it just makes no sense to me that something that has been allowed for years is suddenly not ok.

Don't you people have better things to do like getting rid of the illegal things in sl first? I can't even tell you how many times I have had to report underage players or groups that were clearly illegal. Yet those residents are still in sl.
Studly Lockjaw
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04-22-2009 11:44
From: DanielRavenNest Noe
Originally Posted by Ian Undercroft
I own a single region private estate which is not advertised and which I use only for private purposes in the sense that there is no commercial activity there and I do not rent out any parts of the estate. Upon the estate I have a large building which is deliberately sexually themed in that it contains a significant amount of what might be termed BDSM equipment and other sexually orientated poseballs, sofas, rugs, beds, etc. It is ridiculous that after all all this time it is still unclear to me whether I need to redesignate my estate adult.



I thought you said previously that private homes would not be affected, now it sounds like they are.

yeah I heard many things he said once and backs out of. no wonder there is total confusion on the topic they wish to keep you guessing is the only truth it appears because they pick selectively to address the questions when sure they may not have an answer that they are will to state publicly.
Skatoulaki Nakamori
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04-22-2009 11:44
From: Brenda Connolly
Beginning to look like it's a pretty big rock.
::wiggles her fingers from under the soon-to-be-Ursula-sized rock::
Melina Mendes
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04-22-2009 11:45
From: DanielRavenNest Noe

I thought you said previously that private homes would not be affected, now it sounds like they are.


I have the same question. Are private homes affected?

Thanks in advance.
Melina
Ceera Murakami
Texture Artist / Builder
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
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04-22-2009 11:45
From: Blondin Linden
Photorealistic nudity would be RL pornographic images uploaded into SL.

Skin vendors are still Mature.

The Maturity Ratings FAQ does NOT make any such distinctions, Blondin!
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Studly Lockjaw
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04-22-2009 11:46
From: Blondin Linden
Photorealistic nudity would be RL pornographic images uploaded into SL.

Skin vendors are still Mature.

then can we just state that and let go of a term used to discribe art as a painting style.
Sin Toshi
Animated
Join date: 7 Oct 2007
Posts: 75
04-22-2009 11:46
From: Blondin Linden
Photorealistic nudity would be RL pornographic images uploaded into SL.

Skin vendors are still Mature.


Then perhaps the knowlege base faq would cause less confusion if you said "real life nudity or sex photos" instead of "photorealistic nudity" Photorealistic has a rather specific connotation in SL.
Fudgey Jenkins
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Join date: 9 Sep 2007
Posts: 81
private estate
04-22-2009 11:46
so i'm basically screwed if i own 1/4th of a sim on estate? i will not be included in the move and therefore i will lose everything because of this stuff? i do not have the money to buy another sim in the AO land because i will not be traded, and i do not think it will sell for even 25% of what i got it for.

so in other words i will have lost a ton of money that i spent on SL because linden will not buy estate land, and i will not be moved? instead i get the shittiest end of the stick?
Studly Lockjaw
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04-22-2009 11:48
From: Fudgey Jenkins
so i'm basically screwed if i own 1/4th of a sim on estate? i will not be included in the move and therefore i will lose everything because of this stuff? i do not have the money to buy another sim in the AO land because i will not be traded, and i do not think it will sell for even 25% of what i got it for.

so in other words i will have lost a ton of money that i spent on SL because linden will not buy estate land, and i will not be moved? instead i get the shittiest end of the stick?

totally understand your point here but I have 3/4 of the sim so will take me out of any business over a few small minded people.
Talarus Luan
Ancient Archaean Dragon
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04-22-2009 11:48
From: Blondin Linden
Photorealistic nudity would be RL pornographic images uploaded into SL.

Skin vendors are still Mature.


Then you need to use a different word. "Photorealism" has nothing to do with RL pornographic images uploaded into SL, hence:

From: The Dictionary
pho·to-re·al·ism (ft-r-lzm)
n.
A style of painting that resembles photography in its meticulous attention to realistic detail.


Skins are / can be photorealistic. RL photography cannot be, because it is ACTUAL realism, rather than simulated, as the definition implies.
Studly Lockjaw
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Oops
04-22-2009 11:51
we must have hit the quota of responces for the day with just a few more confusing answers.

well have to run back to real life will check back on the debate HA
Fudgey Jenkins
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04-22-2009 11:51
i dont have like... sexual pictures on the walls, i just have a few sex gens, and i use them at times, i'm almost certain this is included in Lindens plan so my land is now screwed into kiddyvil and i'm out some od 1000 dollars i dont even want to add it up
Talarus Luan
Ancient Archaean Dragon
Join date: 18 Mar 2006
Posts: 4,831
04-22-2009 11:51
From: Studly Lockjaw
we must have hit the quota of responces for the day with just a few more confusing answers.

well have to run back to real life will check back on the debate HA


Did we hit 8 already? Or is it only 4 this week?
Ciaran Laval
Mostly Harmless
Join date: 11 Mar 2007
Posts: 7,951
04-22-2009 11:53
From: Fudgey Jenkins
so i'm basically screwed if i own 1/4th of a sim on estate? i will not be included in the move and therefore i will lose everything because of this stuff? i do not have the money to buy another sim in the AO land because i will not be traded, and i do not think it will sell for even 25% of what i got it for.

so in other words i will have lost a ton of money that i spent on SL because linden will not buy estate land, and i will not be moved? instead i get the shittiest end of the stick?


Private etstate is getting the rough end of the deal here yes, LL won't address the concerns, in all reality it should be parcel level restrictions on private estate, if educators and professionals don't know how to avoid adult content then you have to wonder why they're educating anyone and just what profession are they hoping to excel in that requires someone to hold their hand for the rest of their lives.
Kirsty Shoreman
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no
04-22-2009 11:54
From: Talarus Luan
Then you need to use a different word. "Photorealism" has nothing to do with RL pornographic images uploaded into SL, hence:



Skins are / can be photorealistic. RL photography cannot be, because it is ACTUAL realism, rather than simulated, as the definition implies.


No, a photograph is a photograph: it's not actually real.

When i go to bed with my partner i don't simply grab a photo and say "great this is real" do I?

K