Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions
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Kirsty Shoreman
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04-22-2009 12:15
From: Talarus Luan I didn't say they were "the real thing", I said they are "ACTUAL realism". In other words, they are a representation of ACTUAL reality, or "the real thing" (that's what "realism" means). Well i guess yes: arguably a photograph is evidence that a real event took place whereas a pixie cartoon could just be someone's imagination (or it might be their drawing of an actual event). To that extent i agree with you. I doubt it's very easy to draw a simple line between those two scenarios. And confusion over where to draw that line will only get worse as technology advances. So why bother trying? K
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Milla Janick
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04-22-2009 12:16
From: Blondin Linden Nudity itself will not be considered ADULT. As to drawing a line - we know there will be many different types of edge cases and will be prepared to evaluate them on a case by case basis. How will those evaluations go? After a resident is AR'd and suspended, or will residents be given a break for these edge cases after the AC policy is instated and details like this are being worked out?
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Talarus Luan
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04-22-2009 12:16
From: Darien Caldwell I like how this Linden so selectively answers questions. Why is it so hard to get an answer to a very simple, cut and dried question. Is D/S (collars, gags etc) Considered Adult?
Why oh why is it so impossible to get an answer from LL on this question?
Why do I have to start getting mean about it and acting in ways I really don't like to. I don't want to start calling your offices yelling my head off. I don't want to come physically down to your offices and start chewing out whoever I happen to get ahold of.
Just please answer the question, here, now. If I lived in SF, I would have been in the lobby raising hell months ago. It wouldn't have been the first time, either.
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-22-2009 12:16
From: Blondin Linden Beheadings and torture are two examples of extreme violence. Have you inspected the "Unlucky Chairs" yet? Are they "Adult Content"?
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Lord Sullivan
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04-22-2009 12:16
From: DanielRavenNest Noe https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-4149I added a comment requesting the list of "naughty words" that will get your search listing filtered or flagged as adult. The new requirement for maturity ratings is: "search tags plainly suggestive of adult behavior or content will require the respective Adult designation" OK, so give us a list, so we know what not to use. Letting us guess that this word is suggestive, and that one is not, is a poor way to do business. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ My not entirely humorous attempt at "plainly suggestive of adult behaviour": I use my hand to guide my floppy into the slot, sliding it in and out repeatedly. Now its gone from floppy to hard. The slot is sticky as it pops out. My fingers caress the ball, and grab the stick, moving it around, and pressing all the right buttons. (get your minds out of the gutter, floppy disks, hard drives, trackball mouse, and gaming joystick of course, its all computer hardware) We are not being given the list of naughty words thats a fact as of time of posting LL have said this, will that change and they decide to give them to us i doubt it as it has been said several times by LL
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-22-2009 12:17
From: Couldbe Yue I apologise to the rest of the world on behalf of Britain for allowing the puritans to escape Britain for America all those years ago. I thought they went to the Netherlands first.
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Darien Caldwell
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04-22-2009 12:17
And I am listening to this Meeting recording, and it's the most painful thing ever. Ken has a cold but that's not even what makes it painful. It's the slow, careful, deliberate choosing of words to not actually say anything meaningful that is painful. I was hoping I could catch a clue here and 30 minutes into it, nothing so far.
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Skatoulaki Nakamori
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04-22-2009 12:18
From: someone Originally Posted by Blondin Linden From: someone Originally Posted by Ian Undercroft I own a single region private estate which is not advertised and which I use only for private purposes in the sense that there is no commercial activity there and I do not rent out any parts of the estate. Upon the estate I have a large building which is deliberately sexually themed in that it contains a significant amount of what might be termed BDSM equipment and other sexually orientated poseballs, sofas, rugs, beds, etc. It is ridiculous that after all all this time it is still unclear to me whether I need to redesignate my estate adult. You should designate it as Adult. From: Argent Stonecutter Blondin: This contradicts many statements you have made that what would otherwise be adult content in private residences does not need to be moved to Ursula. Technically, he's not saying they need to move to Ursula, just that it needs to be flagged as adult. You are, however, correct that Blondin is contradicting prior statements that PRIVATE RESIDENCES would not be considered Adult Content.
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Talarus Luan
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04-22-2009 12:18
From: Kirsty Shoreman Well i guess yes: arguably a photograph is evidence that a real event took place whereas a pixie cartoon could just be someone's imagination (or it might be their drawing of an actual event). To that extent i agree with you. I doubt it's very easy to draw a simple line between those two scenarios. And confusion over where to draw that line will only get worse as technology advances. So why bother trying? Because when you use a word in a policy, it has to be used in the broadest and most widely-accepted way so that its effectiveness to communicate what you mean is at its highest. Using "photorealistic" to describe "RL pornography photographs" is incorrect. That's the only distinction I was making.
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Akira Luminos
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Gunfights? Not 'Adult'?
04-22-2009 12:19
From: Blondin Linden Beheadings and torture are two examples of extreme violence.
Your martial arts, boxing, fencing or gunfights would not be considered Adult. I'm sorry Blondin, but if you're going to continue to compare SL and RL in your definitions, what part of *gunfights* do you not consider to be 'extreme violence'? Hypocrite. *I* Am Adult Content (just so you don't think I'm supporting any of this policy)
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Nicola Samiam
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04-22-2009 12:20
From: Korena Starbrook 253 guaranteed new sim sales and corresponding monthly tiers. Guaranteed? Nothing in RL or SL is ever guaranteed. The world is in economic recession. This means people have less money to spend than they did before. Personally, if these changes would cost me any more money than I'm already paying, then I could no longer justify the expense of SL. I'm at my limit now. I can't imagine I'm the only one in this position, so I would have thought that a lot of people will be down-tiering and/or closing accounts rather than pay more. But I'm sure the financial and business analysts who advise LL wil have anticipated that. Just like their peers anticipated the current crisis in the rl. Oh, but then again, we're not in a depression because some idiots messed up the economy, we're "working together in this challenging time". 
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Lord Sullivan
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04-22-2009 12:20
From: Brenda Connolly I must be living under a rock, then.  I must be under the same rock as i have never heard of her? who is she? 
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Darien Caldwell
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04-22-2009 12:20
From: Talarus Luan If I lived in SF, I would have been in the lobby raising hell months ago.
It wouldn't have been the first time, either. It's always very tempting, but it's a huge waste of my time to drive over there just to resolve something which should be able to be done with an email or forum post.
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Blondin Linden
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04-22-2009 12:21
From: Argent Stonecutter Giving EACH PERSON a separate 9 day period to move is not the same as having EVERY PERSON moved in the same two weeks. 1) We are re-evaluating the 9 days originally stated. 2) The window for individual moves will be just that - individual.
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Kirsty Shoreman
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04-22-2009 12:22
From: Argent Stonecutter Have you inspected the "Unlucky Chairs" yet? Are they "Adult Content"? Hang on this is crazy: are we seriously being asked to believe that LL will police this by inspecting everything? a) that is impossible b) the nazis tried that in the twentieth century, haven't we moved on yet? No, LL won't police this. Either they will fudge it or the game will shut down. K
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Hypatia Darkstone
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04-22-2009 12:22
From: Argent Stonecutter Well, theoretically, if you're not a business you're not advertising anything and all your porn is safely inside your middle-american two bedroom split level where nobody can stumble across it... so you theoretically don't have to move. Except that the new official info outside of this thread does not mention private use land at all one way or the other.
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Sin Toshi
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04-22-2009 12:24
From: Hypatia Darkstone Except that the new official info outside of this thread does not mention private use land at all one way or the other. it's a glaring omission
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-22-2009 12:24
From: Skatoulaki Nakamori On the "Working Definitions" FAQ, it states: From the above, it would appear that Adult Content *can remain* on the existing mainland as long as the Region in which it is located is designated as Adult. Technically, yes, but only Linden Labs (the Estate Owner) can designate an existing region as Adult and they're not going to. The parcel owner on the mainland doesn't own the region his parcel is on, even if the parcel is 64k square meters.
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-22-2009 12:25
From: Akira Luminos I'm sorry Blondin, but if you're going to continue to compare SL and RL in your definitions, what part of *gunfights* do you not consider to be 'extreme violence? The part that happens in Disneyland.
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Lord Sullivan
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04-22-2009 12:26
From: Suzanna Soyinka You are. Are you delusional or do you think LL owes you specifically some special favors and do we really care who you are? In LL eyes you are no better than any one of us, so get used to it lol Especially when you start your post From: someone Didn't read this whole mess of verbal diarrhea If you don't know who I am you've been living under a rock since 2005.
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Korena Starbrook
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04-22-2009 12:27
From: Talarus Luan If people are going to be moved there, it won't be "new sim sales and corresponding monthly tiers". Meanwhile the "old mainland" becomes as desolate and cratered as the Moon. Do you really think they are going to move everyone that requires moving prior to an open auction? There is still SOOO much ambiguity and inconsistency with regards to the actual definition that my guess is most of the people will be left wondering whether they should apply to move or not. They are stating that only those who apply to move will be moved but what percentage of those who "need" to move based on these loosely defined definitions will actually apply? I suspect they will start showing up at the doors of these mainland businesses saying you need to move - but the new Adult Mainland is full. Most of these sims will be sold. I believe it is LL's responsibility to notify EVERY SINGLE merchant or resident on the mainland that they specifically have to move BEFORE they open the adult land up for sale. PLEASE PLEASE Blondin Linden tell me this will be the approach? Selling new adult mainland before every one of us has been told based on LL's analysis that we need to move would be a horrible thing.
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Darien Caldwell
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04-22-2009 12:27
Blondin Linden: Please answer this question. Would a business on a private estate that sells BDSM gear but has no nudity, no sexually explicit content, no poseballs, is not an orgy room or a sex room, is just a store, be considered Mature or Adult?
Please give an answer.
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Nicola Samiam
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04-22-2009 12:28
It would be to simple, wouldn't it, to give every parcel owner on each mainland region a vote to decide what rating their region should have.
That would be democracy. SL is an autocracy. So much energy goes into giving the appearance of consultation and residents' choice, but it's nothing but a sham.
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Darien Caldwell
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04-22-2009 12:28
Please Aswer this question Blondin Linden: Please answer this question. Would a business on a private estate that sells BDSM gear but has no nudity, no sexually explicit content, no poseballs, is not an orgy room or a sex room, is just a store, be considered Mature or Adult?
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Darien Caldwell
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04-22-2009 12:29
I would ask this question be answered Blondin Linden: Please answer this question. Would a business on a private estate that sells BDSM gear but has no nudity, no sexually explicit content, no poseballs, is not an orgy room or a sex room, is just a store, be considered Mature or Adult?
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