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Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Darien Caldwell
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04-22-2009 12:29
Perhaps you will see the question this time Blondin Linden: Please answer this question. Would a business on a private estate that sells BDSM gear but has no nudity, no sexually explicit content, no poseballs, is not an orgy room or a sex room, is just a store, be considered Mature or Adult?

Please give an answer.
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04-22-2009 12:29
From: Hypatia Darkstone
Except that the new official info outside of this thread does not mention private use land at all one way or the other.
It mentions adult content or conduct that is promoted or advertised publicly...
From: FAQ
Second, we will conduct proactive monitoring and rely on abuse reports that identify adult content or conduct that is promoted or advertised publicly. Where adult content or conduct on a Region is publicly advertised or promoted, that Region must be designated as Adult (or such content must be removed). We will re-designate such Regions if adult content is not removed.
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Darien Caldwell
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04-22-2009 12:29
People have a right to be given an answer Blondin Linden: Please answer this question. Would a business on a private estate that sells BDSM gear but has no nudity, no sexually explicit content, no poseballs, is not an orgy room or a sex room, is just a store, be considered Mature or Adult?

Please give an answer.
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Darien Caldwell
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04-22-2009 12:30
Your childish desire to ignore the question has led to this Blondin Linden: Please answer this question. Would a business on a private estate that sells BDSM gear but has no nudity, no sexually explicit content, no poseballs, is not an orgy room or a sex room, is just a store, be considered Mature or Adult?

Please give an answer.
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Darien Caldwell
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04-22-2009 12:30
I will be calling next Blondin Linden: Please answer this question. Would a business on a private estate that sells BDSM gear but has no nudity, no sexually explicit content, no poseballs, is not an orgy room or a sex room, is just a store, be considered Mature or Adult?

Please give an answer.
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Darien Caldwell
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04-22-2009 12:31
And if that doesn't get me an answer, I'll be coming Blondin Linden: Please answer this question. Would a business on a private estate that sells BDSM gear but has no nudity, no sexually explicit content, no poseballs, is not an orgy room or a sex room, is just a store, be considered Mature or Adult?

Please give an answer.
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Couldbe Yue
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04-22-2009 12:31
From: Darien Caldwell
Your childish desire to ignore the question has led to this Blondin Linden: Please answer this question. Would a business on a private estate that sells BDSM gear but has no nudity, no sexually explicit content, no poseballs, is not an orgy room or a sex room, is just a store, be considered Mature or Adult?

Please give an answer.


Darien, the answer is your stuff is fine to sell, you're just not allowed to advertise it. If you do you need to make your sim adult.
hth
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Ciaran Laval
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04-22-2009 12:32
From: Darien Caldwell
Perhaps you will see the question this time Blondin Linden: Please answer this question. Would a business on a private estate that sells BDSM gear but has no nudity, no sexually explicit content, no poseballs, is not an orgy room or a sex room, is just a store, be considered Mature or Adult?

Please give an answer.


One of the brown bags said a genitalia item makes the store adult, so what items do you have? Anything to do with genitalia?
Argent Stonecutter
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04-22-2009 12:33
Darien - please slow down.
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Viciously Llewellyn
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Afternoon Blondin
04-22-2009 12:33
Do you have any information on what the enforcement mechanism will be on PG land?

I think this concerns many people for two reason;

1) The rules for PG land have really not been enforced in the two years I have been on Second Life. I have about a half sim spread over two PG sims, and I think I'm the only one on either sim that would be considered PG, and one neighbor without a doubt will have to be moved to adult (you might even consider giving them their own continent, haha)

2) One of the attempts in the past of "de'sexing" PG land, resulted in basically crippling nearly all poses, animations and scripts on PG land, no matter how PG in nature they were. This is really the big concern, that The Lab will use this technology again.

I apologize is this is slightly off topic, but since it has been brought up in the last run of clarifications and since nobody is offering any free land swaps for PG landholders, you might want to give us a blueprint of your intentions.
Korena Starbrook
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04-22-2009 12:34
Is an animated furniture store that does not allow nudity considered adult? It sounds like it's time for specific answers.

????
Kirsty Shoreman
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04-22-2009 12:34
From: Blondin Linden
1) We are re-evaluating the 9 days originally stated.
2) The window for individual moves will be just that - individual.


I've said before that 90 days would be decent for people actually running businesses.

Can i put in a plea for people like me who are *not* running businesses? Please help. I don't want to be stuck in pg/mature land after this move. Ordinary people like me who are just here to play the game need some advice.

All we read about in this blog is how extreme certain things are: like beheadings and extreme other stuff. I don't have beheadings or other really extreme stuff in my house. And it's like therefore everyone is saying "oh fine darling you are just sweet then -- stay where you are in mature land and don't worry your pretty little head".

This is making me very. I don't want to live in pg/mature land any more. I want to move to the adult content land, have my nice home with it's not very (but just slightly) adult stuff in it and have neighbors who do stuff. I want a guarantee that i can get help moving even though i haven't ticked the "I'm extreme adult content" button.

Presumably there is a long queue of professional people out there waiting to buy my land in the mature section otherwise why would LL bother doing this.

K
Fudgey Jenkins
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04-22-2009 12:34
From: Blondin Linden
1) We are re-evaluating the 9 days originally stated.
2) The window for individual moves will be just that - individual.


blondin will you PLEASE answer this without giving me some kind of crap like "it's region not parcel" and let me know what i can do to not loose a bunch of money in this move just because i bought on an estate rather than mainland?

this is absurd... i do not advertize my land, and there is no way anyone, even me.. without my landmark, can even get to my skybox "i just cant seem to find it a billion miles up, i do not know if my land owner will flag adult, and i stand to loose everything i paid for it, as well as every dollar i spent in SL (I am premium and i might have renewed, nah, i'm not renewing my year subscription, not even doing it monthly if it runs up) all the clothes, all the money i pumped into SL sence i began will have been a total waste. So please, give me an answer "is my land still private?" does it now belong to residence that didn't pay for it? it belongs to anyone that can TP in randomly?
PeteWyrm Thereian
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04-22-2009 12:34
My university still will not likely join SL, even with this new "porn ghetto", as long as a quick click into the XStreet Marketplace, without "mature content" enabled, produces a "featured" item such as "Filou sunny PROMO".

Simple Solution + Knee-Jerk Reaction = LindenLab

LL has once again made a bad decision that will bite them in the behind.
Blondin Linden
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04-22-2009 12:37
From: Nexus Burbclave
I have a hard time seeing why a head shop should be viewed as worse than a gun shop.


IMHO, and I'm not about to start debating gun v. weed legislation and I don't want to start a huge thing but there are two things to keep in mind no matter how much we agree or disagree:

Even though we all know differently, head shops sell pipes for 'tobacco' use b/c marijuana is illegal here in the US. Illicit drug use is illegal.

On the other hand, you can walk into a gun shop in RL, ask for and purchase a gun (with a proper license of course). Guns are legal.
Couldbe Yue
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04-22-2009 12:39
From: PeteWyrm Thereian
My university still will not likely join SL, even with this new "porn ghetto", as long as a quick click into the XStreet Marketplace, without "mature content" enabled, produces a "featured" item such as "Filou sunny PROMO".

Simple Solution + Knee-Jerk Reaction = LindenLab

LL has once again made a bad decision that will bite them in the behind.


just to make sure they never come anywhere near SL, show them this:

https://uncensored.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=303305
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Talarus Luan
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04-22-2009 12:40
From: Darien Caldwell
It's always very tempting, but it's a huge waste of my time to drive over there just to resolve something which should be able to be done with an email or forum post.


Sometimes you can get more satisfaction (both figuratively and literally) dealing with the "owners" in-person.
Hypatia Darkstone
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04-22-2009 12:41
From: Argent Stonecutter
It mentions adult content or conduct that is promoted or advertised publicly...
Yes, exactly, but it does not mention what is exempt. The list of what content is adult type stuff dose include stuff that will be on private use land.
Matthew Dowd
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04-22-2009 12:42
From: Blondin Linden
IMHO, and I'm not about to start debating gun v. weed legislation and I don't want to start a huge thing but there are two things to keep in mind no matter how much we agree or disagree:

Even though we all know differently, head shops sell pipes for 'tobacco' use b/c marijuana is illegal here in the US. Illicit drug use is illegal.

On the other hand, you can walk into a gun shop in RL, ask for and purchase a gun (with a proper license of course). Guns are legal.


On the other hand, as this is an international community, there are many places where guns are illegal, and also some places where marijuana is legal.

And more importantly in SL, neither guns nor marijuana are real - I can't see anyone being arrested for illegal possession of a virtual gun or virtual marijuana.

Matthew
Blondin Linden
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04-22-2009 12:45
From: Brenda Connolly
Brown Bags were "targeted" meetings, invite only. They haven't announced anything. They saye they "announced" the proposed policy. They didn't . Posting in a forum and blog that most people don't read is hardly announcing.


There was a press release that went out as well.
Lord Sullivan
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04-22-2009 12:45
From: Suzanna Soyinka
I find it surprising that people don't know who I am. I'm on page 264 of the Official Second Life Guide: Second Edition. But, whatever, you're not required to know. Theres lots of parts of Second Life and lots of people doing their own thing and thats all just fine and dandy with me. But I have done some fairly outstanding things within the platform...should you take the time to look into them, you might understand why you might feel like you've been living under a rock. That aside, the Lindens damn well know who I am and I'm not posting in this thread to talk to you folks I'm talking to the Lindens, who aren't likely going to listen but this is my outlet apparently.


Self praise is no recommendation i have been told and who here has wasted money on that book its not exactly best seller material lol

From: someone
Forum threads are verbal diarrhea, most people post to hear themselves talking. Which is largely why Lindens don't spend any time responding, take it from me, I have my own forums I have to deal with and I've learned the fine art of listening when I should and letting the rest just go in one ear and out the other.


So then why post here if it is in your opinion, a waste of time? Just wondering.

From: someone
I don't spend my time on the SL forums I spend my time in world looking after the 300+ sim/role play communities that use the role play gaming system I developed, and working on making that system better.


Well thank you for gracing us with your exalted prescience and words which i am sure us mere mortals will all hang on to.

From: someone
Far as being contrary, I was hung up on three times by Concierge today and told to put in a "ticket" to speak to a supervisor that I know will never be answered, just like the ticket that I've had in since April of 2008 about the increased physics instability in direct correlation with agents in a region since Havok 4 hasn't been resolved in over a year.


Well its good to see LL treats us all the same, irrespective of how we percieve ourselves in the grand scheme of things.

From: someone
I'm not in a good mood, and the Lindens asking me to take responsibility for their own short comings hasn't helped much with that mood.


Lifes a bitch but its good to see we are at least all being treated equally in this matter ;) Thanks for taking the time to add to this verbal diarrhea
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Ryanna Enfield
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04-22-2009 12:45
From: Matthew Dowd
On the other hand, as this is an international community, there are many places where guns are illegal, and also some places where marijuana is legal.

And more importantly in SL, neither guns nor marijuana are real - I can't see anyone being arrested for illegal possession of a virtual gun or virtual marijuana.

Matthew


Guns are illegal in Japan.
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-22-2009 12:46
From: Hypatia Darkstone
Yes, exactly, but it does not mention what is exempt.
Everything that is not "adult content or conduct" and not "promoted or advertised publicly".
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Kirsty Shoreman
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04-22-2009 12:46
From: Korena Starbrook
Is an animated furniture store that does not allow nudity considered adult? It sounds like it's time for specific answers.

????


LL will have a special unit, like the SS in nazi germany, that will come round and periodically inspect everything. This is the only way questions such as yours can ever be answered. In my imagination: there will be special segregated sections: like there will be a special beheadings section where people will have to go if they have ever played one of those nasty games that involves simulated beheading. And gay men will have to go to a special gay section where everyone is required to have a male avi. Eventually there will be special male sections for all people, like male professionals and educators who want a more male society. As time goes by, so long as LL continue to make money, more rules will be introduced.

Alternatively maybe SL is dead already.

K
Hypatia Darkstone
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04-22-2009 12:46
From: Blondin Linden
There was a press release that went out as well.
And EVERYONE reads Press releases right?