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Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Wynochee LeShelle
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04-22-2009 10:50
From: Lindal Kidd
Yes. I said two years ago, when I was still pretty new to SL, that if ever LL decided to ban cyber-sex it would be the end of them. I told you so, I told you so, I told you so!

But you give me an idea. LL is going down the crapper this time, but that doesn't mean that SL has to go with it. We should start up a company now and begin pooling some real capital, so we will be ready to buy LL's assets when they go on the block.

Then SL really WILL belong to its residents.


On this I thought this weeks along too. Building a pool and buying the cr** and then fire the actual management.
Couldbe Yue
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04-22-2009 10:51
From: Kimo Junot
And what about me??? dosent anyone know who I am am? Shessshh I am on page 250 of the blogs! lol



can I have your autograph??

;)
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Talarus Luan
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04-22-2009 10:55
From: Wynochee LeShelle
On this I thought this weeks along too. Building a pool and buying the cr** and then fire the actual management.


Easier and cheaper to make a better SL than SL, I would think.
Ayla Holt
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Join date: 17 May 2006
Posts: 70
If LL did their jobs in the first place .....
04-22-2009 10:56
This is just plain nuts. What are the PG and Mature areas meant for then? I buy in "Mature " so that I don't have to worry about my content. And if LL did their jobs and didn't let the kids in the main grid there wouldn't be a problem. I tried to find the teen grid for my friends son and it took me forever to find the webpage on it.

When I first started in 2005 you HAD to have a credit card to sign up. At least that way only adults (and a few kids using mommy and daddys CC without them knowing) could get in.

Now anyone and everyone can get in and so to correct their stupid mistake of not taking care of their business right they are going to make an even bigger mistake.

I am assuming that a Linden is going to go to each and every place of business and check and let us know if our content needs to be moved in a land swap.

Who the hell is running this place now anyway? Don't we have anyone with a brain that can work on something that is actually productive? They could start by just getting rid of the incest groups and child (sex-age play) role play groups. If I can see them in search why can't they?

LL needs to take care of the illegal content first and then worry about the minor things like strip clubs. I say if they are in a mature area then the owners were following guidelines and shouldn't be punished for that now by being made to move and distroy their business.
Stormy Wilde
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Join date: 31 Jul 2004
Posts: 130
04-22-2009 10:56
As someone who has been in Second Life since 2004 I have seen a lot of changes. Not all of them for the better. This one falls under that category.
For those of us who have been around for awhiel we remember when LL took out the credit card verification. It only lead to an uprise in problems. We begged them to bring it back. They refused.
Now that Second Life is reaching all over the world they realize they made a boo boo with taking away credit card verification. But wait, why did they take it away to begin with? do not know this for certain because it happened so long ago but from my understanding, the reason credit card verification was taken away in the first place was because Linden Labs got an investor that said they had to hae 1 million users by XYZ date. Soon Linden Labs realized they were falling pretty short of this mark and thats when they took out the credit card verification.
Now because they have a third party system that only works once in awhile, at best, and have ealized they have minors sneaking onto the adult grid. Us. The people who have been playing this -game- for years, are the ones being punished.
Yes I called Second Life a game. That is what it is to a lot of people, to others, whowill be greatly affect by this change, it is a means of making money to support themselves in real life.
The thing is, if this is a game, then WHY do all of this complicated verification? What about all of the other games out there where they have ther own ratings, plainly visible for everyone to see so the PARENTS can decide if their child should be allowed to play that game.
Everyday on television we see the "adult" content Linden Labs is saying they are now going to censor and ioslate the people who helped make Second Life what it is today.

The third party verification system wont completely work either. Infact I can see Second Lifes numbers falling drasticaly because of this. There are many countries out there where Linden Labs, or this third party company, cannot ask for the information it is asking for unless it is for tax purposes.

Maybe I rambled on but it frustrates me that they will take away a game and community I helped shape over the last 4 1/2 years, because some people dont know how to walk away from something they dont like.
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Nicola Samiam
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Join date: 22 Oct 2004
Posts: 142
04-22-2009 10:56
I find LL's cheesy, ingratiating double-speak jargon really sickening. Always have done.

I mean,

From: someone
We look forward to continued dialog as we work on this challenge together


BARF!!!

The challenge is, of course, making an enforced dictatorially imposed change look like it was borne of some sort of democratic process.
Studly Lockjaw
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Join date: 15 Jan 2008
Posts: 38
04-22-2009 10:59
From: DanielRavenNest Noe
Nope, photographs are just that, photographs. A quick search on google under the term photorealistic, shows its mostly concerned with computer graphics and art representations that are close to looking real, but not photographs

Within SL, its commonly understood that photorealistic skins are the good ones, as opposed to crappy low detail skins that do not show the naughty bits. In the context of their maturity scale, I expect they mean nude robots and furries, and nude low quality non-detailed skins are OK to show, but not high quality ones


would or could it be this blondin:

pho·to-re·al·ism (ft-r-lzm)
n.
A style of painting that resembles photography in its meticulous attention to realistic detail.

or are we creating new meanings to a word use in the art community for longer then Linden Labs has been around?
Yumi Murakami
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Join date: 27 Sep 2005
Posts: 6,860
04-22-2009 11:01
From: Stormy Wilde
but from my understanding, the reason credit card verification was taken away in the first place was because Linden Labs got an investor that said they had to hae 1 million users by XYZ date.


Credit card verification was taken away because 70% or more of website visitors who started the account creation procedure were backing out at the credit card verification screen. People don't like the idea of a company saying "we need your card number but we won't charge it" - it usually means there's a hidden charge waiting somewhere in the wings.
Nicola Samiam
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04-22-2009 11:05
I second what Stormy said.
Also been here since 2004, but I have to say that what has remained constant throughout the time I've been here is LL's absolute refusal to listen to anything that residents ever say.
The free log ins, selling off previously protected land, age verification, stifling of the residents' forums... All sorts of stuff. They really don't give a monkey's. The myth of user created world is just that - a myth - this is a Linden controlled world and always has been. But just like "The Truman Show" us mugs are banboozled into thinking that we have any say at all. We don't. End of.

We do of course have one option - tier down, and out.
Angela Talamasca
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Join date: 20 Feb 2007
Posts: 58
04-22-2009 11:08
From: Suzanna Soyinka
If you don't know who I am you've been living under a rock since 2005.

Well, I must be living under a rock, as I have been in SL since 2005 have never ever heard of you until seeing this idiotic statement. More importantly however what exactly does this inane one-upmanship crap have to do with this topic?
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Baal Infinity
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Important note if you are trying to use the old Verification Stations inworld
04-22-2009 11:09
There have been several posts about people trying to use the old inworld verification stations to test their AV.

Currently the SL Server code does not yet have the settings activated for Adult Content rating

Currently the SL viewer does not have the option for the new Adult Content rating (till the next RC comes out shortly)

The existing verification stations inworld or parcels that have the option "restrict access to age verified adults" ONLY work with the Aristotle verification system.

The new server code and matching viewer will have a different setting that checks the new flags to see if you have either Payment Info Used, or Verification done, or XstreetSL verified payment information, and then allows or disallow access to the new category of "Adult Content" be it land or search results.

Once the new server code that supports the "Adult" category is activated and the new viewer that matches it is in place, then testing to see if your payment info on file allows you correct access will be possible.
Emerald Levenque
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Join date: 23 Aug 2008
Posts: 1
04-22-2009 11:10
Listen, it was LL's end goal to eventually boost up numbers by including the teens on the grid. Personally I think there should be NO teens at all included in the adult SL grid. none zippo zero.

Further I am over 21 by how much is nobody's dam business. However, if LL needs to age verify, they have serious issues in presenting their servers as

1) IS LL SAFE ? - Are LL"s servers a safe place to harbor my information? - No , they havent been They've been hacked before. Before my start thank goodness. But given this track record (twice I heard) do I seriously want my info located where there have been hack issues ?


2) TEENS WILL ALWAYS TRY TO GET IN WHERE THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO - does opening up the adult SL grid to ALL TEENS solve that problem for the sake of age verification ? Um, let me get this straight..... some teens, and some teens always will, get onto SL - so let's open up the floodgates and give everyone the ability to sign in and slap some info on their avatar profile and assume that solves the problem . Seriously ??? If they can slip through SL , let's face it, it's easy to be underage and get a hold of mom or dad's drivers license without their knowledge, or obtain a cc# .


Which leads me to the next point

3) THE INFORMATION ! - what the heck ??? Euros are up in arms. Their info id's are the equivalent of SSN numbers for us in the states. Do I seriously want to be giving my SSN number OR my passport number ? As far as a name address DOB & Drivers License, HECK, with that info and a bit of digging , geuss what id number I can get !
CC#'s. ok, it doesnt take a genius to figure out how to get cc numbers without being of age.

SOLUTION ? name and drivers license should be good enough. The DL has my dob. It has my address. Limits the info stored and at the same time age verifies me .




I'd write more but I have to get going for RL. But, let's face it, a few slipins will ALWAYS happen. But opening the floodgates to ALL teens for the sake of traffic count,
LL you will lose a great majority of adult content users as well. And it's US who buy the money, spend money in LL, buy sims, and move the economy. NOT the teens. Think about it and decide which market you're willing to lose.
Shockwave Yareach
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Join date: 4 Oct 2006
Posts: 370
04-22-2009 11:11
From: Dogboat Taurog
OMG its really you? , from page 264 of the Official Second Life Guide: Second Edition?
all i can say is wow! i'm impressed!

not.


Is this the same SL Guide where about 1/2 the stuff isn't there anymore? Like... Taco? Is that the guide you speak of?

I should sell stickers for the front cover of the book that renames it "What Used to be in Second Life Guide"
Meade Paravane
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Join date: 21 Nov 2006
Posts: 4,845
04-22-2009 11:11
From: Yumi Murakami
Credit card verification was taken away because 70% or more of website visitors who started the account creation procedure were backing out at the credit card verification screen. People don't like the idea of a company saying "we need your card number but we won't charge it" - it usually means there's a hidden charge waiting somewhere in the wings.

Nope.. Credit card verification was taken off the plate because credit card companies say, very clearly, that their cards may not be used for age verification..

From: visa.com
General guidelines for accepting Visa
Before you begin accepting Visa, be sure to follow these guidelines for merchants:

- All Visa accepting merchants have a responsibility to adhere to all federal and state laws. As it relates to accepting Visa products, merchants must accept Visa products for legal transactions only.

- Merchants that sell age-restricted products, such as alcohol and tobacco, must have in place processes and controls to ensure that all associated laws are honored.

- Merchants should be aware that possession of a Visa card or submission of Visa account information does not signify that the cardholder is of legal age to purchase age-restricted products.

- The issuance of Visa cards is not restricted to individuals over 18 years of age


From http://usa.visa.com/merchants/new_acceptance/merchant_responsibility.html.

I've brought this up, several times, but LL has not responded. Apparently they cannot be bothered to concern themselves with such details.
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Suzanna Soyinka
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hah
04-22-2009 11:12
From: Dogboat Taurog
OMG its really you? , from page 264 of the Official Second Life Guide: Second Edition?
all i can say is wow! i'm impressed!


As I said earlier, I'm not here to talk to you.

And now I'm gonna head back off to what I do for a living and leave you to your flaming/trolling fun.

Ciao.
Argent Stonecutter
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04-22-2009 11:13
From: Angela Talamasca
what exactly does this inane one-upmanship crap have to do with this topic?
Childish Content?
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Suzanna Soyinka
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04-22-2009 11:14
From: Shockwave Yareach
Is this the same SL Guide where about 1/2 the stuff isn't there anymore? Like... Taco? Is that the guide you speak of?

I should sell stickers for the front cover of the book that renames it "What Used to be in Second Life Guide"


I'm still here. Not going anywhere any time soon either.

Unless Blue Mars is actually more than Vaporware...and if its not Vaporware I'll definitely be rebuilding my game there.
GreenKnight Kaul
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Join date: 24 Apr 2008
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Still wondering why a geographic seperation
04-22-2009 11:18
Seems clear the they will be implementing a "include Adult content" button. As long as people take the time to flag their parcel as adult, doesn't this alone achieve the desired effect, without the need of a geological seperation?

Admittedly, now one can do a search with the "include Mature content" unchecked and get a lot of content that is Mature by definition. Searched under All tab.

Results 1 - 10 of about 11700 for sex , with "include Mature content" unchecked.
Results 1 - 10 of about 13600 for sex, with "include Mature content" checked.
This one is odd, having done the same search two weeks ago there were over 27,000 results in the unchecked category.

Results 1 - 10 of about 2420 for c*ck, with "include Mature content" unchecked.
Results 1 - 10 of about 3280 for c*ck, with "include Mature content" checked.

Results 1 - 10 of about 7230 for bdsm, with "include Mature content" unchecked.
Results 1 - 10 of about 13100 for bdsm, with "include Mature content" checked.

Results 1 - 10 of about 2780 for rape, with "include Mature content" unchecked.
Results 1 - 10 of about 2990 for rape, with "include Mature content" checked.

Results 1 - 10 of about 1940 for anal, with "include Mature content" unchecked.
Results 1 - 10 of about 1980 for anal, with "include Mature content" checked.

I didn't check each and every link generated, but pretty sure a majority of the search results arent for educational purposes. Also several hundred of the results are things in peoples profiles, didnt check them either to see what they have to say about the subject.
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Blondin Linden
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04-22-2009 11:18
From: Ran Garrigus


So can we again get a clarification on this? Are non-sexualized depictions of nudity (basically, the vendors images most skin makers tend to use) 'Mature' or are they 'Adult'?


They are mature - NOT adult.
Meade Paravane
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04-22-2009 11:22
From: Blondin Linden
From: Ran Garrigus
So can we again get a clarification on this? Are non-sexualized depictions of nudity (basically, the vendors images most skin makers tend to use) 'Mature' or are they 'Adult'?

They are mature - NOT adult.

So if the Xcite store showed all its add-on products just as simple screenshots of them being worn but not used, that would be mature?
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Blondin Linden
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04-22-2009 11:23
From: Izz Ghost
https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6010

according to this "clubs that feature "burlesque" acts can also generally reside in Mature Regions so long as they don't promote sexual conduct such as through pose balls (whether in "backrooms" or more visible spaces). However, if any of these businesses uses adult-oriented search tags, it may be categorized as adult and also blocked from appearing in non-adult search."

Strip clubs are allowed but if I have a sex rug out or resolution pose ball sets its adult? what about xcite interaction with dance poles? "burlesque" to me is more a topless vegas type act/show...

even more confusing now ...


1) Strip Club would be Mature.
2) Strip Clubs that use adult key words in listings and in search would be considered Adult. 3) Strip Clubs with sex balls and back room sex areas would be Adult.
Ciaran Laval
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04-22-2009 11:28
From the brown bag:

"If you have adult products in your store, it's going to be adult. So if you have a single genital product in your store, the store is adult".

Now other times it has been said adult items do not make the store adult, so what's the answer here?
Dogboat Taurog
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Join date: 27 May 2008
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04-22-2009 11:29
From: Suzanna Soyinka
As I said earlier, I'm not here to talk to you.

And now I'm gonna head back off to what I do for a living and leave you to your flaming/trolling fun.

Ciao.[/QUOTE

then why are you talking to me or are you trying to impress the lindens, Miss Page 264 of the Official Second Life Guide: Second Edition?

if thats your 15 minutes of fame i think it would have been better to not share it with others.
you must have had a sheltered life.
i trod on the pop group 10cc's drummers foot once, i think i just beat you in the fame game.
sorry but its tough at the top.
Drake1 Nightfire
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Join date: 2 Jul 2008
Posts: 60
04-22-2009 11:30
From: Suzanna Soyinka
Yeah I know, I dunno why Hamlet even did that guide. Its not like SL people read after all.


wow... that was a bit nasty and snide.... especially since EVERYONE has to read in SL.. twit. the majority of users type things to eachother..and as to knowing who you are.. i didnt know about the guide, they dont advertise it in-world or on the main page, just like the foruams arent advertised in-world.. how are newbies supposed to find all this stuff?
gees you sound so pompus.
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Blondin Linden
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Join date: 2 Jun 2008
Posts: 381
04-22-2009 11:30
From: Persephone Perdide
Hi Blondin

I was not able to make the PIOF page work on this site.

So I signed up at SL Exchange, and spent some money there. Linden Labs has said this will be considered adult verification to allow access later to adult lands in SL. Is this still the case?


Yes

From: Persephone Perdide
My profile information still says no payment info on file. No other profile changes either. So as far as the grid thinks - nothing is different. Right?

My question is, how will the GRID know whether someone has spent money in SL Exchange, and so has a 'verified payment record'? If nothing shows up on the profile, so what flags it and allows the teleport onto adult land?

Does Linden Labs plan to add something to a profile if the avatar is spending/has spent $ on SL Exchange? If LL updates all profiles to reflect this, then that would allow access to adult land. So is that the plan - to add a line about that somehow, or add a line that says 'adult verified' on profiles?


These changes should come with the new viewer.

From: Persephone Perdide
What are the current criteria for "payment method in use"? As far as relates to accessing adult land in June? Again: if SL Exchange still counts how will the teleports know?


past and present PIU, PIOF, and Xstreet transactions.

From: Persephone Perdide
(Lastly) Is Linden Labs still toying with the idea of allowing people to mail in a xerox of a current utility bill to prove age? I ask in case you changed your minds about allowing spending on SL Exchange to vouch for adulthood. Because there is no way I will register on Aristotle.


SL Exchange will count so you wont have to use Aristotle if you don't want to.