These forums are CLOSED. Please visit the new forums HERE
Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions |
|
|
Ian Undercroft
Registered User
Join date: 3 Nov 2007
Posts: 86
|
04-22-2009 12:47
Yes, exactly, but it does not mention what is exempt. The list of what content is adult type stuff dose include stuff that will be on private use land. Exactly, whilst I think it unfair for those affected, I cannot really see how sexbeds and their associated animations can survive on M land. I confess that the concept of "private" as applied to SL has always been lost on me. |
|
Matthew Dowd
Registered User
Join date: 30 Jan 2007
Posts: 1,046
|
04-22-2009 12:47
There was a press release that went out as well. I never saw that! There was however no announcement in world, or on the viewer logon screen, or in the precise places where the majority of your customers would actually see it! Matthew |
|
Ayla Holt
Registered User
Join date: 17 May 2006
Posts: 70
|
04-22-2009 12:48
1. I have a poseball/animation store. I have a small section that contains sex poseballs. Should I just take them all out of my store now and stop selling them? I am not going to move my whole business to a new land when only a very small part of it is sex poseballs. 2. What about couples cuddle balls, same sex cuddle balls? 3. My clothing line that has sheer tops where the nipples might show? Mature or Adult? 4. Words in search that are not allowed............ is the word "sex" going to be a problem? What if I want to put in search that I have same sex poseballs (meaning gay and lesbian cuddles) ? 5. Are you going to pass out a step by step guideline manual for each resident in SL because there are fuzzy lines that we really need answers to. 6. And for the last question... what the hell are the mature and PG areas for? Why even have "mature"? I guess it just makes no sense to me that something that has been allowed for years is suddenly not ok. Don't you people have better things to do like getting rid of the illegal things in sl first? I can't even tell you how many times I have had to report underage players or groups that were clearly illegal. Yet those residents are still in sl. BLONDIN: you seemed to skip over my questions... please take a minute to answer me. |
|
Blondin Linden
Linden Lab Employee
Join date: 2 Jun 2008
Posts: 381
|
04-22-2009 12:48
OK, this was a major surprise to me to see. What on earth does nudity (whether photo-realistic or not) have to do with sex or violence? I'm sorry, I just don't see the connection. Besides that, people that advertise "photo-realistic skins" - are they going to have to move? Blondin, you have said time and time in these threads that skin makers are not going to have to move. This is sounding now like they will, which is a MAJOR change from what has been said earlier. Can you please get some clarification for us on this aspect of the standard? This is very important. Skin Vendors will not be considered Adult |
|
Talarus Luan
Ancient Archaean Dragon
Join date: 18 Mar 2006
Posts: 4,831
|
04-22-2009 12:48
Do you really think they are going to move everyone that requires moving prior to an open auction? There is still SOOO much ambiguity and inconsistency with regards to the actual definition that my guess is most of the people will be left wondering whether they should apply to move or not. They are stating that only those who apply to move will be moved but what percentage of those who "need" to move based on these loosely defined definitions will actually apply? As far as I am concerned, they better. I bought my land with an understanding that I can do with it as I please under the EXISTING *mature* guidelines, which are now becoming "Adult", through no action or fault of my own. Regardless of the level of "Adult content" on any Mature parcel, anyone who requests it should be able to have their Mature land either 1) designated Adult, or 2) move to the Adult continent. I surely don't want to remain behind in the wastelands left after this screwed-up policy goes into effect. Not to mention that it will make almost all of the remaining "Mature" mainland worthless. I suspect they will start showing up at the doors of these mainland businesses saying you need to move - but the new Adult Mainland is full. Most of these sims will be sold. They better not do ANY selling before they execute the moves. Even still, if THEY say that I need to move, then it is on THEM to provide me with the land to move to. I shouldn't have to "play the market" under ANY circumstances as an existing landowner, let alone Concierge customer. I believe it is LL's responsibility to notify EVERY SINGLE merchant or resident on the mainland that they specifically have to move BEFORE they open the adult land up for sale. They sure as hell better do so. |
|
Fudgey Jenkins
Registered User
Join date: 9 Sep 2007
Posts: 81
|
04-22-2009 12:49
LL will have a special unit, like the SS in nazi germany, that will come round and periodically inspect everything. This is the only way questions such as yours can ever be answered. In my imagination: there will be special segregated sections: like there will be a special beheadings section where people will have to go if they have ever played one of those nasty games that involves simulated beheading. And gay men will have to go to a special gay section where everyone is required to have a male avi. Eventually there will be special male sections for all people, like male professionals and educators who want a more male society. As time goes by, so long as LL continue to make money, more rules will be introduced. Alternatively maybe SL is dead already. K getting very close to being completely dead to me, and i was one to defend LL! so you can see how bad it's getting when a LL fangirl finally gives up XD |
|
Brieanne Bomazi
Don't forget the *E*
Join date: 29 Jan 2005
Posts: 383
|
I'm just sayin.....*I* am Adult Content
04-22-2009 12:49
There was a press release that went out as well. Can we get a link to that please and thank you. ~Brie |
|
Lord Sullivan
DTC at all times :)
Join date: 15 Dec 2005
Posts: 2,870
|
04-22-2009 12:50
Yeah I know, I dunno why Hamlet even did that guide. Its not like SL people read after all. I think it is more a case that people will not waste money on such crap, but i am sure you have a shelf full so that you can stroke your ego and tell yourself that you are so important to LL lol _____________________
Independent Shopping for Second Life residents from established and new merchants.
http://slapt.me  slapt.me - In-World HQ http://slurl.com/secondlife/Bastet/123/118/26 |
|
Fudgey Jenkins
Registered User
Join date: 9 Sep 2007
Posts: 81
|
04-22-2009 12:50
Skin Vendors will not be considered Adult sure they will, next month you will add it! |
|
Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
|
04-22-2009 12:51
Skin Vendors will not be considered Adult  _____________________
Argent Stonecutter - http://globalcausalityviolation.blogspot.com/
"And now I'm going to show you something really cool." Skyhook Station - http://xrl.us/skyhook23 Coonspiracy Store - http://xrl.us/coonstore |
|
Lord Sullivan
DTC at all times :)
Join date: 15 Dec 2005
Posts: 2,870
|
04-22-2009 12:52
who is this person? Just a player that has found out when calling concierge they really are no more important than anyone else here lmao _____________________
Independent Shopping for Second Life residents from established and new merchants.
http://slapt.me slapt.me - In-World HQ http://slurl.com/secondlife/Bastet/123/118/26 |
|
Skatoulaki Nakamori
Registered User
Join date: 17 Sep 2008
Posts: 65
|
04-22-2009 12:53
Technically, yes, but only Linden Labs (the Estate Owner) can designate an existing region as Adult and they're not going to. The parcel owner on the mainland doesn't own the region his parcel is on, even if the parcel is 64k square meters.  Hopefully, LL will clarify their definition...but I'm slowly learning that they like things to be kept ambiguous! |
|
Couldbe Yue
one unhappy customer
Join date: 30 Mar 2008
Posts: 1,532
|
04-22-2009 12:53
There was a press release that went out as well. I should of course take this at face value and get thin lipped and point out that notifying your customers is also a good idea too. Particularly since you have no real shareholders to impress. Your venture capitalists in this aren't even proper ones, they're just people with too much money. lol However I digress. It's pointless trying to be personable when we're in the middle of a hatefest towards you.  _____________________
Satiated Desires: Toys for Grown Ups.
Inworld: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Norf%20Haven/186/132/55 XSL: https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&MerchantID=77743&&sort=age&dir=asc Blog: http://satiateddesires.wordpress.com/ |
|
Korena Starbrook
Registered User
Join date: 20 Feb 2007
Posts: 12
|
04-22-2009 12:53
Skin Vendors will not be considered Adult what about animated furniture stores that do not promote sexual conduct and do not permit nudity? |
|
Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
|
04-22-2009 12:54
Ok, I didn't know that Hopefully, LL will clarify their definition...but I'm slowly learning that they like things to be kept ambiguous!_____________________
Argent Stonecutter - http://globalcausalityviolation.blogspot.com/
"And now I'm going to show you something really cool." Skyhook Station - http://xrl.us/skyhook23 Coonspiracy Store - http://xrl.us/coonstore |
|
Talarus Luan
Ancient Archaean Dragon
Join date: 18 Mar 2006
Posts: 4,831
|
04-22-2009 12:54
There was a press release that went out as well. Oh, gawd... that is funny!  I'm literally busting a gut here. Seriously, stop with the jokes; I can't take much more! *looks around* Why isn't anyone else laughing? O.o |
|
Milla Janick
Empress Of The Universe
Join date: 2 Jan 2008
Posts: 3,075
|
04-22-2009 12:54
There was a press release that went out as well. "Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying Beware of the Leopard." _____________________
 http://www.avatarsunited.com/avatars/milla-janick All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... |
|
Ann Otoole
Registered User
Join date: 22 May 2007
Posts: 867
|
04-22-2009 12:54
My questions never get answered for some reason.
Blood spatters. On clothing. On boots. Mature or adult? My mainland location is on the border of a welcome area making it hugely more valuable than normal land. You will place me in equivalent land on the border of a welcome center in the adult continent correct? Answer please. |
|
Nexus Burbclave
Live Free or Die
Join date: 25 Aug 2006
Posts: 29
|
04-22-2009 12:55
IMHO, and I'm not about to start debating gun v. weed legislation and I don't want to start a huge thing but there are two things to keep in mind no matter how much we agree or disagree: Even though we all know differently, head shops sell pipes for 'tobacco' use b/c marijuana is illegal here in the US. Illicit drug use is illegal. On the other hand, you can walk into a gun shop in RL, ask for and purchase a gun (with a proper license of course). Guns are legal. It seems that my aside is all that got a response, and that is a shame. We're not talking about actual guns and drugs, we are talking about simulated gun violence and drug use. From that perspective the rating system I alluded to seems a bit more relevant, since it deals with representations of content for the purposes of entertainment not unlike the virtual representations that occur in Second Life. From that perspective, your policies are very different than those established by other entertainment rating systems. The MPAA and ESRB are both treating this differently than what you are proposing. Drug use dings as a mature rating, not as an adult rating in any other entertainment medium. Why are you breaking with what seems like a well established community standard? Also, there were some specific questions regarding what dings as "explicit drug use" and whether or not fictional drugs are to be treated the same as "real" virtual drugs. I see now that I should not have included the guns vs. drugs comparison, as the detour kept my real questions from being answered. _____________________
"Give me liberty, or give me death"
|
|
Kirsty Shoreman
Registered User
Join date: 22 Dec 2008
Posts: 44
|
04-22-2009 12:55
Guns are illegal in Japan. There are places on planet earth where sex outside marriage is illegal and punishable by death by firing squad in public view. There are places where adultery is punishable by death by stoning (if you are a woman anyway). So? My point is, SL can never be the perfectly lawful society in the eyes of every legal jurisdiction. Every line that is drawn between what is and what is not "adult" is totally artificial. There is no point appealing to one or another judiciary to ask what is internationally correct. In SL, I say, live and let live. And if LL abandon that creed the game will be over. K |
|
Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
|
04-22-2009 12:56
My questions never get answered for some reason. Blood spatters. On clothing. On boots. Mature or adult? _____________________
Argent Stonecutter - http://globalcausalityviolation.blogspot.com/
"And now I'm going to show you something really cool." Skyhook Station - http://xrl.us/skyhook23 Coonspiracy Store - http://xrl.us/coonstore |
|
Korena Starbrook
Registered User
Join date: 20 Feb 2007
Posts: 12
|
04-22-2009 12:56
can anyone tell me what all those buildings are on the new Ursula???
|
|
Talarus Luan
Ancient Archaean Dragon
Join date: 18 Mar 2006
Posts: 4,831
|
04-22-2009 12:57
getting very close to being completely dead to me, and i was one to defend LL! so you can see how bad it's getting when a LL fangirl finally gives up XD Aye, fanbois/fangrrls have the most spectacular flameouts when cold, hard reality finally sets in. Not saying you were that much of one, just as a general rule, it can be quite.. startling. |
|
Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
|
04-22-2009 12:59
can anyone tell me what all those buildings are on the new Ursula??? Edit: Google says 'No results found for "hot throbbing monorail".' Better do something about that. _____________________
Argent Stonecutter - http://globalcausalityviolation.blogspot.com/
"And now I'm going to show you something really cool." Skyhook Station - http://xrl.us/skyhook23 Coonspiracy Store - http://xrl.us/coonstore |
|
Talarus Luan
Ancient Archaean Dragon
Join date: 18 Mar 2006
Posts: 4,831
|
04-22-2009 13:00
WILL THE DEFINITION BE FIXED SO IT DOES NOT USE THE MISLEADING TERM "PHOTOREALISTIC"? I don't think the "cute" route is going to be any more successful at remedying ignorance. It appears to be congenital.  |