Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

I think the parallels are not lost on many of us.
First we have segregation under the guise of "making the experience better for all"
Next, we have a network of informants, ready to "squeal" to the authorities.
After that, and this is where I think LL hasn't really thought this through, transgressors will be "disappeared".
Of course this works in rl because the "disappeared" are, by definition, already economically and politically disenfranchised - the authorities don't lose money by the loss of those people from society.
However, in SL, unless LL grabs a few thousand dollars every time it closes someone's account, the losers will be LL itself!

What ARE they thinking?

Yes. These buildings are bad design, made by amateurs. All pro-architects in game are rolling on floor laughing since days - incl. me - because these plywood-creations looking: cheap. I would not pay 1L$ if they were for sale.

Same here.

They're the camps where the bad people go honey.
Don't look. Just keep your head down and walk quickly past.

;Q

Blondin: a comment on the Knowledge Base you ought to check on in and .

Just remember the original Broadly Offensive missives when IDV was first rolled out 2 years ago. They talked of "building trust" between each other as residents and with The Providers as well.........

It also pretty much encouraged us to squeal on each other when we saw Broadly Offensive content, but never told us what Broadly Offensive content was.

Great Post

So we got the press release... and funny thing. Its Dated TODAY.

Now... lets see the concerns this raises.


1. we have been debating this 5-6 weeks now. STILL.... only 1/8 of the affected population knows about it. So.. again i say... THIS IS NOT AN ANNOUNCEMENT.

How many people in SL will SEE this? Where, on the log in screen, does it direct ANYONE to this press release, or the forums.. or the blogs... or even the update changes in the Knowledge base?
You guys are still hiding this from the majority of SL residents. Now to point 2.....


2. If the majority, as you guys have claimed, is behind these changes, WHY ARE YOU NOT ANNOUNCING THEM? There should be celebrations on the grids.. all us PERVS are being stuck in the dark where we belong.....or is the truth of the matter... The sheer volume of protests LL has received already staggering that you simply CAN'T Handle more?

And this leads me to the last and final point.....

3. Why, oh why, does LL not care about the scores of customers that are screaming for some consideration? YOU guys are considering the 9 days move... well BULLY FOR YOU. GOOD ON YA. Here's your cookie. now...
How about that free months land tier?
How about the hours lost while i move, rebuild, walk my employee's thorough age verification, revenue lost due to lack of clients...changing LM's, and pics, and classifieds, and so on and so on and so on and so forth.

When is LL going to realize that this is not just STUPID, but its as good as signing the death warrant of HUNDREDS of businesses in SL. Lots of us have been here for years. I came to SL in 04. weathered all the changes. put up with griefers, lag, changes we asked for. Changes we Didn't ask for. We have ran your RC. Found your bugs. Helped FIX the bugs. We have spent MILLIONS of Linden. millions of RL money.

We have lived, loved, shopped, and worked in SL, to make it OUR WORLD. Now, on a whim, LL is taking OUR WORLD and flipping it upside down.

Give us more than a pat on the head. Show us, your customers, old and new alike, that we matter. That our TIME matters.

Here's your sign.... with out us... there would BE no SL.

~Brie

Argent, If Blondin says one thing, and Cyn's blog post and the faq linked to it say another, which one do you think will be the final decision?


That's what I think too. Blondin has said a *lot* of stuff- about half of which has been swept away by this "tentative definitions" page. Whether it is the final form of the definitions doesn't really matter does it? the disconnect between the two shows that they are operating independently and without any sort of joint understanding of what is going to happen here.

I hope that Blondin's right about these changes (Ye gods! How bad is what Cyn wants to do that I'm hoping we get *Blondin's* definitions? ) I really, really do. But I'm afraid that I no longer trust that LInden Labs would stick their head under a tap if their hair were on fire.

-V-

get a grip mate. If I'm in a combat sim then I expect to see that kind of thing. If I'm not then I don't.. your whining about having your freedom curtailed is becoming tedious.

Your only freedom is to do your own thing with like minded people. If you do that I don't care what you do. When however you invade my view and make me witness it unwillingly then you've reduced my freedom through your selfishness.

Why should I be forced to leave somewhere because you and your little friends decide that you want to play right in that spot.

yawn. grow up.

and of course you deliberately misconstrued what I said.. so see the previous comment.

I am a little concerned about the PG guidlines recently posted

"A Region may be designated PG so long as it does not advertise or make available any content that is suggestive of any (even mildly) sexual or violent themes, or references to social drug or alcohol usage."


We run a PG region. A classy ballrom style club.. And we do Have Champagne tray out and serve alcohol. Am I going to be forced to Chang my Rating to mature if I Have this on a PG region now?

The alcohol thing seems a little bit much .. But also in there is no definitions of Foul Language use on a PG region .. I Would like to know if this will be defined for behavior in a PG region ..

Actually, in the example of "unlucky chairs" Blondin offered to insepct them to see if they were graphic enough to warrant the "adult" label, but he never got back to us on them.

How about it Blondin? Unlucky chairs! Adult or Mature?

-V-

and some of those outfits your vendors sell are pretty racy too - very sexually suggestive..

Guess what Suzy, your shit stinks just like everyone else's.

So LL's position is that Cartoon pot is just as illegal as *real* pot? The cartoon drugs are somehow connected with *real* drugs?

That's just crazy talk, man!

I mean I agree with you about the guns- guns are actually *better* here than in Rl- they can't *actually* hurt anyone.

BUt drugs?

Wow...

Just... Wow.

-V-

And I bet there was a notice tacked to the back of the door of Stall #2 in the second floor Ladies room at LL HQ as well?

Well all taken care of then! you certainly made every attempt to notify the largest number of residents possible, nobody can fault you for that!


Sorry, I just couldn't say that with a straight face.

-V-

Please, not's start with the language thing, especially in English...
some other languages have much lower degrees of ambiguity.

Some of us have graduated "cum laude" or "suimma cum laude"... The ignorant might AR us for that...

Or, in a Group, I might have the label "Queen's Pussy's Lover". What does that mean?
I am likely fond of her Cat.

Meanwhile, I need to see if I can get exhibition rights to the kinescoped and filmed "Lenny Bruce" concerts... And maybe the Elvis Pressley arrest for public lewdness because of the way he danced.

I keep hearing Richie Havens singing "Freedom, freedom uh..."


I would love to see some elegant coding, rather than this ghetto...


As I have said before, ghettoes are for one thing and one thing only...

Hey M, when are you gonna open the Gaza City office and server center?

And what about my nice happy time in Saengseon. Can you make that for me wherever I am going?

I had a look at the new bunch of FAQs on the adult continent. I was particularly intrigued by this section:

"Doesn’t this move go against the free spirit of Second Life and the internet?

No. From its inception, Second Life has been an open place, where Residents are free to explore a wide diversity of creative pursuits. This openness has fostered a tremendous amount of amazing content inworld and helped make Second Life what it is today. We are committed to preserving that openness while at the same time, ensuring that Residents can engage in Second Life in the manner most suited to their needs and interests.

By enabling a Resident to exercise greater control over their experience, we believe Second Life will remain as open an environment as it ever was, albeit with the enhanced ability to tailor the experience in such a way as to allow Residents to exercise discretion with certain content when it is appropriate to do so."

The only words that matter in this couple of paras are in the last sentence. And believe me, when a regulator resorts to wishy washy motivations like "...allow Residents to excise discretion with certain content when it is appropriate to do so." you know that the regulator has no real idea about effect they are after. I've written lots of social laws in real life. When a policy advisor starts scrambling around with vague words like "certain content" and "appropriate" I'd tell them to go away, have a good hard think about what they want to achieve and come back when they have something I can work with.

You are entering a world of pain my Linden friends, absolutely guaranteed. Managing this Pandora's Box you're opening is gunna be a nightmare. All I can hope is SL survives this.

Here's a simple suggestion: value the good sense of existing residents who have indeed made SL (to paraphrase) their world, their imagination. For the newbie big-money potential clients tell them to quietly slip off to PG regions and leave the rest of us to keep making SL the place that presumably made big-money want to get into the action. (PS: I'm well aware of the fact that you have no intention of doing that, but I feel compelled to bash me head up against a brick wall.)

One more suggestion and I'm afraid I just have to give up on you people: Allocate a couple of grand to take your idea off to at least 3 top notch town planning lawyers. Ask them to treat the proposal as a real-world proposal to retrospectively compel residents to relocate due to, what is effectively a planning zone change, and see what they tell you. If the majority don't tell you that you have a snow flake's chance in hell of convincing a real-world regulator to legislate for this I will be gobsmacked.

ALTS.

What about the ALTS Blondin? How are you gonna have us link them to our primary account. This needs to be answered RIGHT FAST.

You know, since this whole debacle was first brought to the community's attention, I kept on wondering, and I still do,

HOW IS IT, THAT IN ANY WORLD, SUPPOSEDLY ADULT DENIZENS CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE WORDS OR ABREVIATIONS PG AND MATURE?

If you read the MPAA definitions, PG means a work is suitable for viewing by minors!!!! There are no Minors on the Main Grid!!! WHY IN HELL ARE THERE PG REGIONS?

Oh, Hell was a Mature private sim, I forgot.

You can get far more meaning by re-reading "Jabberwocky" than you can with some of the insane, misuse of thought by a, largely, bunch of techies. Not to mention businessmen...look how well they've done in real estate and finance recently.

Of course, some elegant coding tied to a V-chip checkbox would really be a TRUE IT PROFESSIONAL'S solution, complete with flexible bridging of parcel boundaries and Draw texture data feeds, etc, etc.

I dunno, when I used to wirte mapped games in BASIC back in the stone age for tiny processors, it was very easy to keep one *region* unviewable from within an adjoining region, yet "see" the region beyond...okay, it was text, but you geeks will know what I mean.

Gee, even Joe Sixpack sitting at home knows what I mean, U betcha! Golly gosh!

If they are following US law, all they need is a checkmark in the "create and account" process where the use verifies that they are 18+years of age, and are purposely seeking to see adult material. The content creators of *actual* video porn would have to keep records of the ages of the performers on file for law enforcement to check them at any time.

They are required to make a "reasonable attempt" to restrict their service to only 18 and over.

This isn't about any *law*. This is about some sort of moralistic decision-making by someone in the LL organization- the reason that none of our wonderful arguments are being considered is that this isn't *about* what LL is *saying* it's about.

If their agenda is secret, then we can't very well tell them how to do it better with the least disruption.

-V-

So they have asked the Businesses, they have asked Educators, they have asked Content Providers .. is there anyone they have forgotten .. oh, yes, the Customers and, clearly, anyone with an ounce of common sense.

What a USELESS set of non-definitions.

Presumably my art-gallery is now Adult .. we have one or two nudes in there somewhere. So one imagines is American football .. 'severe bodily harm' being depicted.

The PG .. (that means 'Parental Guidance' over here) seems pitched at letting unsupervised toddlers run around ... I work for an Educational Establishment. We couldn't operate under those PG rules. We have a duty to educate in alcohol and drug awareness.

Well so far as I can see anything containing adults is going to be Adult Content by these guidelines.

So let's just declare everything to be Adult. Then when there is zero non-adult content in Linden's precious search engine perhaps they will realise just how asinine they are being.

Let's see now, hmmm, the lottery for Friday is $100 million. Do you think LL would sell SL for $100 million?

"ALTS.

What about the ALTS Blondin? How are you gonna have us link them to our primary account. This needs to be answered RIGHT FAST."

What am I missing here about alts? Can't you just go to your account page and change the contact information to the same e-mail address? If the rest of the account information is the same as the primary accounts and correct, I do not know why this would be a problem.