Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions
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Talarus Luan
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04-22-2009 18:38
From: DanielRavenNest Noe Blondin said:
We can't provide a list. I'm sorry about that. But you won't have to guess. If you use a word that has been flagged, a message will pop up and notify you of the word.
My reading of his reply:
Its not going to be a fixed list, and they have not written it yet. They will add and remove flagged words over time as they come across them. If you want to come up with a pretty close guess, search for some adult stuff in SL now, in classified ads, and look at all the words appended in the description text. The classified ad writers have incentive to find the best words to link their adult stuff to. If I had the job of coming up with the flagged list, thats what I would do, comb through some search listings. On the surface, that would make sense, except that it is one of the goals of the "new" search system to avoid being gamed, hence the obfuscation policy stems from that. Even if it was a dynamic list, it would only take a simple webpage to query and display the list, so that is another reason why "it ain't so". :-/
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Ilana Debevec
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04-22-2009 18:40
From: Mdawg Fhang "ALTS.
What about the ALTS Blondin? How are you gonna have us link them to our primary account. This needs to be answered RIGHT FAST."
What am I missing here about alts? Can't you just go to your account page and change the contact information to the same e-mail address? If the rest of the account information is the same as the primary accounts and correct, I do not know why this would be a problem. My alts are all special purpose, mostly as Customer Service reps, each has their OWN unique email address. And there was supposed to be a method put forth to simply say 'these are mine'. Still expecting that. Unless it was at one of the 'brown bags' which I, as content creator and pretty decent one at that, was NOT invited to or even informed they were happening.
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Waterstar Eilde
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04-22-2009 18:41
From: Blondin Linden ...You would be double safe as both a Premium account and a verified paypal will both count as age verification. Just for the record people, in case it changes yet again - note this: "age verification", not just "account verification". 'Course, whether it's true or not is another matter - I can't keep up with the speed at which the goal posts move.
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Vanessa Sakai
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04-22-2009 18:43
Lets have everyone who thinks they might have to move to adult land file a ticket to do so. Maybe then the Lindens will designate part of the existing mainland as adult.
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Randi Hamelin
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A Question
04-22-2009 18:43
If I am in a PG sim but in RL I am in the nude, will I be flagged for adult content? If I have dirty thoughts while shopping in SL will I be flagged for adult content? Why do you think my nipples and vagina are so evil? I was born with them. My mom gave them to me through a perfectly natural process. Talk about making body image issues among women worse! 
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Talarus Luan
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04-22-2009 18:48
From: Ciaran Laval Blondin is doing his best in difficult circumstances and even if he can't quite grasp why estate owners are getting shafted over this and fails to realise why mixed use estates are a problem that should be left to parcel level management he does actually try to discuss the issue. One word to one-sentence answers to cherry-picked questions hardly a discussion makes. Even your second point about estate owners proves the following: From: someone Where are the people above Bloindin who are driving this policy? Why haven't they been here trying to defend this position instead of leaving it all to Blondin? They don't have to be here. That's why they hired Blondin; he's the sacrificial lamb. Gotta admit, he has learned the role well, almost like he has done it before.... hmmmmmm. From: someone The decision does seem to be made and the reasons LL are giving for these changes are absolute balderdash but it's the senior management who won't come near this thread who should bear the brunt of residents frustrations, not Blondin. Well, I don't buy the "poor schmuck" deal, PRECISELY because that is also a significant gimmick used in the sacrificial lamb ploy. I mean he IS a LAMB, after all... poor thing; looks awful to be thrown to the wolves (and Dragons). Have pity on the poor miserable creature! Nah, I'm not buying it. Seen it before. Been part of it before (by association). He knew what he was getting into; I just hope he asked for proper compensation for the role; it usually draws a hefty bonus if played well.
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Tali Rosca
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04-22-2009 18:57
From: Blondin Linden Photorealistic nudity would be RL pornographic images uploaded into SL.
Uhm, no... "Photorealistic nudity" would be photorealistic nudity. If you mean "RL pornographic images", you really should write that. Or are we to assume that any words in the definitions can mean any random other meaning? From: Blondin Linden Nudity itself will not be considered ADULT
I see you repeating this (and other comments on key issues). Nevertheless, you're consistently and continually being contradicted every single time an "official" statement, as in blog or knowledge base, comes out. The knowledge base is totally unambiguous: "Any Region must be designated Adult [...] if it advertises or publicly promotes the following: Photo-realistic nudity" Bullet point. No clarifications. No circumstances. No further interpretation. To make it perfectly clear Knowledge base: Any Region must be designated Adult if it has photo-realistic nudity. Blondin Linden: Nudity will not be considered adult. Blondin, please explain this. And by explain, I do not mean repeat your lines, but explain why there is this glaring difference between what you say and what the lab officially posts, and which interpretation will be the final. As is, frankly, the credibility of your clarifications is pretty much non-existent. Either you are not in touch with the actual decisions being made, or somebody at the lab keeps hijacking the official statements and releases.
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Waterstar Eilde
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04-22-2009 19:01
From: Blondin Linden IMHO, and I'm not about to start debating gun v. weed legislation and I don't want to start a huge thing but there are two things to keep in mind no matter how much we agree or disagree:
Even though we all know differently, head shops sell pipes for 'tobacco' use b/c marijuana is illegal here in the US. Illicit drug use is illegal.
On the other hand, you can walk into a gun shop in RL, ask for and purchase a gun (with a proper license of course). Guns are legal. Welcome to your Second-Real-Life (if you happen to be from the US, that is) 
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Sindy Tsure
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04-22-2009 19:06
From: Tali Rosca Uhm, no... "Photorealistic nudity" would be photorealistic nudity. If you mean "RL pornographic images", you really should write that. . I usually don't like to argue things like this but, in this case, you guys really need to get the words right, Blondin - confusion isn't what we're looking for right now! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photorealistic
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Waterstar Eilde
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04-22-2009 19:17
From: Brieanne Bomazi Can we get a link to that please and thank you.
~Brie I think that would be the press release that resulted in these "Second Life to Let Users Filter Adult Content" articles http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews/articleid/3203402http://www.cnbc.com/id/30337164http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_12195721?nclick_check=1They're identical and appear to have been circulated by Associated Press. Then there are these: http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/stories/2009/04/20/daily36.htmlhttp://www.socialmediaportal.com/PressReleases/2009/04/Linden-Lab-Ushers-in-New-Era-of-Second-Life-with-Initiative-to-Customize-The-Experience-for-Each-User.aspxThe last one looks like it's the original press release, published verbatim. There'd be a gazillion more examples following a proper search, I'm sure. edited to add: sorry guys - just realised that GreenKnight answered this back at #3919! http://lindenlab.com/pressroom/releases/21_04_09
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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04-22-2009 19:19
From: Talarus Luan On the surface, that would make sense, except that it is one of the goals of the "new" search system to avoid being gamed, hence the obfuscation policy stems from that.
Even if it was a dynamic list, it would only take a simple webpage to query and display the list, so that is another reason why "it ain't so". :-/ Heres a starter list to try: http://www.noswearing.com/list.php
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Tali Rosca
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04-22-2009 19:20
From: Sindy Tsure I usually don't like to argue things like this but, in this case, you guys really need to get the words right, Blondin - confusion isn't what we're looking for right now! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhotorealisticEven taken as the the more casual meaning of "computer graphics so detailed it can be mistaken for a photography at a glance", there is still no relation between "photorealistic nudity" and "RL pornographic images", except in Blondin's "clarification" where "we obviously mean the latter, even though we write the former", which, for some reason, us residents should both divine by telepathy, and believe will be enforced that way by the people who wrote the former.
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Kara Spengler
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04-22-2009 19:36
(re: artistic nudes) From: Blondin Linden Its a famous work of art. I can see it living on a PG or M region. Psst .... Blondin .... google nipplegate and SL5B
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Lauren Weyland
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Artistic Content and the Puritans
04-22-2009 19:42
I think the concept of censorship has terrible connotations for theater, comedy and for life itself. Anyone joining SL should be over 18 and if you don't think that age is a majority to hear and decide things then raise the age until you think one would be old enough to know about life. Discussing terrorism could be considered 'adult'. The atrocities of the world (Darfur) and pictures of such too. Who is to judge. Perhaps everything should be marked ADULT...The community is adult. Think back at what was censored 30 years ago. Think back 2000 years as to what was NOT considered such. It's ridiculous to police this....and to add various controls will splinter SecondLife into a bunch of non-descript and non-connected universes. You've done away with so much already. Perhaps we should pick what religion will be allowed and what wont. The United States of America has a first Amendment which has worked pretty well until those with private devious thoughts try to masquerade through our society as purveyors of righteousness. STOP...TRYING TO LIMIT SECONDLIFE.....in some quirky universe an attorney has dreamt up rules at the office and forgets to apply when the are at a nightclub without their spouse. ENOUGH ALREADY.....don't kill your business with this foolishness
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samatha Congrejo
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04-22-2009 19:48
From: Ciaran Laval Blondin is doing his best in difficult circumstances and even if he can't quite grasp why estate owners are getting shafted over this and fails to realise why mixed use estates are a problem that should be left to parcel level management he does actually try to discuss the issue.
Where are the people above Bloindin who are driving this policy? Why haven't they been here trying to defend this position instead of leaving it all to Blondin?
The decision does seem to be made and the reasons LL are giving for these changes are absolute balderdash but it's the senior management who won't come near this thread who should bear the brunt of residents frustrations, not Blondin. Your kidding right?? Blondie has ignored any real questions since the start of the first thread. Please note the Lindens closed and tehn removed the first three threads from public view. Blondie is a PR rep and i suspect works in the PR department of sl. He has never had any plans to discuss the issues, only paint these changes in a rosy light and hand pick which posts he will answer. Those psost have ann concerned how to or what is going to happen, or how do i do what youw ant me to do. No issues or real questions EVER got answered in any of the 4 thread on this issue.
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samatha Congrejo
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04-22-2009 19:53
From: Ilana Debevec My alts are all special purpose, mostly as Customer Service reps, each has their OWN unique email address. And there was supposed to be a method put forth to simply say 'these are mine'. Still expecting that. Unless it was at one of the 'brown bags' which I, as content creator and pretty decent one at that, was NOT invited to or even informed they were happening. Ilana, No No sorry we are all confused. We are no longer content providers, those are the clean pg, people only. You and i are adult smut peddlers, not worthy of any consultation at all anymore. Forget all the moeny we invested in the service etc. We don't get a voice because we mak nasty adult things.
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Sindy Tsure
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04-22-2009 19:57
From: samatha Congrejo Please note the Lindens closed and tehn removed the first three threads from public view.. They're still there.. When you go to that sub-forum page, there's something towards the lower left that's set to only show posts that were active in the last 30 days or so. Just change that to 'forever' (or 'the start' or 'beginning' or something) and it should show all of them.
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Tabliopa Underwood
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04-22-2009 20:05
From: Ilana Debevec ALTS.
What about the ALTS Blondin? How are you gonna have us link them to our primary account. This needs to be answered RIGHT FAST. This please. The sooner the better.
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Ilana Debevec
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04-22-2009 20:05
From: samatha Congrejo We don't get a voice because we mak nasty adult things. And DAMN PROUD OF IT I AM!
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Tabliopa Underwood
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04-22-2009 20:12
From: Mdawg Fhang "ALTS.
What about the ALTS Blondin? How are you gonna have us link them to our primary account. This needs to be answered RIGHT FAST."
What am I missing here about alts? Can't you just go to your account page and change the contact information to the same e-mail address? If the rest of the account information is the same as the primary accounts and correct, I do not know why this would be a problem. Is the inworld status of multiple avatars owned by the same person. If alts could be linked to a main then the mains status would also apply to the alts. If was an option then many people would do this and the number of NPIOF avatars with money to spend would drop considerably.
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Lobo Faulkner
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04-22-2009 20:24
From: Marx Dudek Regarding land swaps: What determines who gets beachfront property and who doesn't? I DJ for a club that has been in operation now for nearly two years - and profitably so. The club is in a skybox and the owner's private residence is on the ground level, on a beachfront parcel.
When he is moved, will he be offered a piece of land as equal as possible to the parcel he currently owns? Will location of the parcel to be moved be taken into question, or will people simply be moved on an as-available basis - even if that means being moved from beachfront land to a boxed in area on a landlocked region?
I have searched this forum and other places for a answer to this same question and have not seen any specific response yet has anyone got a answer to will the swap be equal to what you already own or will it be less and how can that be fair when you have owned a parcel for over 2 years not to get equal to what you own in the new region ? 
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Attica Bekkers
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04-22-2009 20:49
1. Im a bit confused, It says in the faq conduct at m places counts, not just if it has sex balls. So M place like shops, clubs, discussion meetings etc will have to police customer behaviour and attire, or will think they do unless theres a major rewording. Its no good saying we dont mean it like that when so many of us, me especially, are so literal about rules. Is what you say what you mean about conduct or are you just needing to word that better?
2. Would adult conduct such as wearing, say a sexy st patrics outfit avatar with a joke shamrock spanker, or a your aunt avatar or a naked skin that doesnt have a built in bra outside a personal home or a naturist reserve or a sensations collar be restricted to adult lands and private homes? Can I name specific products somewhere and get a response on if i can wear them shoppping? I cant here as I think it against forums rules to say those words.
4. Will you arrange that when sl has a glitch I only ever transport to hub thats adult, no matter where onthe grid I was last? Will this be an option i can tick somewhere? It is scary enough being forced logged into pg after a sl meltdown now.
5. a:/ If someone has pg shop in M land and in the sky far above it they have a personal home that has adult content, is that "back room"? What if they have one of those hateful security orbs? b:/Will my landlord be expected to make the whole island Adult flagged because pg business are in the same sim as private homes with a adult content?
6. I sold my land when this came out and im a bit concerned. If i need to buy land on the new adult continent will it be price capped? Or will I be subject to price gouging?
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Wynochee LeShelle
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That
04-22-2009 20:49
" In art, immorality cannot exist. Art is always sacred"
-August Rodin-
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Alex Ella
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04-22-2009 20:54
"Quote: Originally Posted by Mdawg Fhang "ALTS.
What about the ALTS Blondin? How are you gonna have us link them to our primary account. This needs to be answered RIGHT FAST."
What am I missing here about alts? Can't you just go to your account page and change the contact information to the same e-mail address? If the rest of the account information is the same as the primary accounts and correct, I do not know why this would be a problem.
Is the inworld status of multiple avatars owned by the same person. If alts could be linked to a main then the mains status would also apply to the alts. If was an option then many people would do this and the number of NPIOF avatars with money to spend would drop considerably."
Your alts are linked to your main account unless you created one and gave false information when you signed up lying about who you are or what your age is. if this is the case, then it is time to make an account while telling the truth. This will be good for the SL economy if people who lied when they created a bogus account and have to spend lindens to make one that they told the truth on when they signed up like they should have to begin with.
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Sexy Harley
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04-22-2009 20:58
is is at all possible to get these AO meeting in some other format than an 80MB+ download mpeg, kinda limits people to this information, please post it in text
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