Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Yes, as I said before, in addition to everything else wrong they now have the Americans with Disabilities Act to consider.

No not yet which is a shame as people want a place to document this all and the domain is SL related and will remain in place for good.

I hope some wiki enthusiast takes us up on the offer, we just haven't' got the time to run it all ourselves and wanted people here to have the chance to run an independent wiki without LL restrictions.

We will have to wait and see if anyone really is interested in this offer and hope that it doesn't get lost in the noise here and people see this as the chance that they have asked for

We are installing the wiki software on the server as i post this, all we need is administrators and contributers now lol

But chuckling at the name lagmeister could induce hiccups!

Hmmmm a potentially harmful side effect lol

It will be pretty funny to see the "G"ontinent converted to a vast wasteland of purple bordered parcels with nothing but net nannies endlessly hounded by griefers.

Be careful what you wish for because you might get it.

I think your adult content idea is retarded. I pay LL over $156,000USD a year and I don't like how these changes will effect my business and customers.

hi when people who are marked mature are logged back into a mature sim, not a pg one, prim attachments and clothing with sexual content will not be allowed in mature either, so it doesnt solve the problem of being reported because sl failed to log in as expected. Will being logged into an adult verified hub be an option?

Thank you for your clarification there, Blondin. I suggest that the Wiki be amended slightly as it does say that any depiction of death whether photorealistic or not will be considered Adult content. Now I sell combat animations for "Receive Gunshot" and "Nasty Death" - these are classic, cartoon-type animation and I think anyone seeing them would say PG. However, they fit the Adult classification as stated in the Wiki.

pg?? what country do you live in??

Well said, dude.

From my perspective it is as PG as a Tom and Jerry cartoon. They could be considered very violent - but it's a cartoon, not real. I'm in the UK if you really want to know - where we still realise the difference between real guns and animated cartoon ones.

What if the PG fencing includes a final stabbing death blow? Is it adult then. These lines are impossible to draw. Even when we draw them, we do so with a cultural bias.

BT

But if you are already verified, why should you have to resend any information? If an AR came in against you, LL should be able to look and say "Nope. They've already verified" and throw out the AR. By requesting you prove it all over again is just a way of saying LL doesn't have any faith in their system. Why should we?

Their plan is garbage and they know it. It offers us no protection. It is so easily gamed that there is still the same likelihood that the person you may be bumping with is under age.

Without being rude, the reality is they just don't care - you're not likely to pull out so they've got your cash whatever they do.

my sympathies for having to rely on a service provider that treats you like this. It's inexcusable.

1. Who was actually involved with the landowners meeting because to my knowledge none of the larger mainland holders were even asked. Sorry if mainland traders are scum but we sell more mainland than LL do and we do pay an awful lot in tier so we sort of know the concerns of residents.

2. Jack says that if people don't want to move they can just sell their land as there is a "healthy market" if the market was so healthy why haven't LL released any new regions (except cities but they don't count according to jack) for almost a year? I would assume if the market was buoyant you'd be cranking out sims.

3. In the landowner brown bag it was alluded to that land resellers would be dealt with if they "kept the land from the people" is this the start of price caps? Also can you tell me anything that would instill some confidence in the market and help me retain the faith in you as a company required to keep me paying thousands of dollars in tier. Land sellers are not scum, they keep paying for land not in use so please stop treating us so badly.

4. In the last week I have lost sales of around 150,000 sq m and deals to buy over half a sim of land fail because I've had to point people toward your AO blogs to consider before moving because unlike you I have a duty of care to my customers. Can you tell me anything that can help allay their fears?

Indeed - that is the whole crux of the problem. It's impossible to draw lines and this is because we are not being absolutely clear about what is real and what is not.

IMO the problem lies in the fact that SL is so very interractive - but essentially it is no different from watching a film or reading a book where a person can identify with a character and invest much emotion in the action depicted.

BTW - the wording of the definition of Adult in the Wiki does imply that any depiction of death - *whether or not photorealistic* - is classified as Adult. So, a fencing animation that stabs an avatar to "death" would obviously be a depiction of death and thus fall under the Adult label. This is not just a matter of a badly worded definition - the whole issue of trying to establish such definitions in the first place is an impossible task.

Not even remotely the same thing.

Land flippers and barons imo are not affected in the same way as those land owners that have direct adult content on their sims and will have to move and how does paying a lot of tier equate to knowing the concerns of the residents? just wondering as most land traders use BOT's to hammer the database and degrade the residents experience by ripping people off, not all i know but a lot do. I must admit though that land barons and BOTs are a good way to dump the crap plots one may own



He said that at the meeting i attended and i must admit i thought that was strange as well, maybe after us Adult content is moved they will start going after the BOT's and land grabbers, no one is safe anymore imho



I think that was probably aimed at those that will try and artificially inflate the Adult land continent sales to the stupid prices you see in the other areas like Nautilus etc. I for one sincerely hope that LL do crack down on this and do not let it get out of hand because i see a common theme from customers and those at the meeting i attended that land traders need to be reined in and not take advantage of those that have to move to the adult continent, by grossly over inflating the land prices there. So yes i hope land is capped in the new continent, but when has LL done anything sensible just lately



Its refreshing to see that you seem to care about the customers here but you are in the same boat as all of us here and i doubt you will get any more out of LL than we have been trying to do

Best guess there is one of two things forcing this:

(1) Like they said, they want to bring educators and corporations to SL, and those people have said "we dont want to see all that adult crap". Driving adult stuff off of search and off most of the mainland will cut the exposure. It wont stop people from doing adult things, all over the grid, thats against human nature. It *will* however make it less public.

(2) They are getting too much attention from lawsuits, state's attorney general, etc, for letting it be too easy for underage people to mix with adult things. Today, before the change, the *only* thing they ask for a new account is your date of birth, by which they assign you to the teen or adult grid depending on your answer. That's basically no screen at all to keep people out.

As many have said, using the new verification is not 100% sure to exclude underage people, but its more than what we have now, and it may be enough to satisfy whoever is pushing this.

Another idea, which I rate as less likely:

(3) The openspace/homestead thing has left a lot of servers idle, and Linden Labs makes most of its money from land tier. So what better way to use up the idle servers than by *forcing* a lot of people to move to a new continent. The remaining mainland will drop to cheap prices, so people left behind can afford to pick up more of it.

Personally, I dont think that would actually end up working. The lost business and aggravation from the move will likely *lose* in total land occupied.

Holy Moly! talk about big business in SL I wonder if this is why there is a push for this.

http://www.massively.com/2009/04/21/taser-international-vs-linden-lab-crack-den-crackdown/

500usd per virtual Taser sold? I wonder how much a real one costs.

The proper way to deal with speculators is simply to print more land, and state up-front that they will be doing so such that there will be no artificial scarcity. Without scarcity, there is no financial incentive to flip land. The problem with Bay City and Nautilus is that there was only so much of it, making it artificially scarce, hence the prices. Unfortunately for the land speculators in those places, the land really wasn't all that much better than anywhere else on the mainland, and wasn't nearly as in-demand as they hoped, so many of them are now holding expensive plots that they will never get their money out of, like so many other mainland land owners.

That particular problem is only going to get MUCH worse with this new policy. I would predict L$1/sqm mainland once Ursula is populated to a large degree, and the demand for "unrestricted land" will skyrocket, prompting LL to bring on more A-rated sims, and more M-rated sims become ghost towns. Of course, they will crow about all the land expansion, but the percentage of occupied land will NOT increase but, more likely, DEcrease, and sharply, beyond that point.

Because more people buy mainland from me and other land sellers than they do from LL. How often do LL speak one to one with with people wanting to buy any amount of mainland? "Hi Jack I was thinking of getting a 4096 what is the advantage of beach over all that grey rock crap you dumped last year?" I think not. We have a fair grasp on what people buy, when they buy it, what they'll pay and what they take into consideration so would be nice if someone at least asked us.

This is something I brought up early on. LL is making no attempt to inform the residents as a whole in any mass in world manner, yet they will gladly take money from people buying land but not give them any idea that the rules of use of that land will be changing soon, and it may not suit their purposes, or that it's value my severely drop. Shameful. But totally not surprising.

I think the effort for grid stability should extend to their policies. The most worrying part is when questioned they say "nothing has been decided yet" and they don't see that that is actually the problem, instability is the enemy, we fear the unknown.