Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

One would hope that at some point, in some meeting of the LL staff, that at least one person on their staff will say something similar to the above during a lull in the conversation...and that several other staff members will look around the table at each other and shake their heads and say "Um...wait a minute...WTF are we doing?" Unfortunately, I think if it does happen, it will likely be during a meeting of the janitorial staff...since it's clearly obvious that nobody with any "pull" has the faintest clue...

Nice Khamsa.

No scamming or fraud involved. If you didn't like the view, you didn't have to look at it. Now if they were selling land misrepresented as something else, you could cry fraud or scamming. No force was used, unless the ad farmer put his ad on someone else's land.

But hey, you either support freedom of speech and property rights or you don't. And now you gave LL the foot in the door to claim "the residents want this".

Chris isn't a libertarian. He's a loud arrogant redneck.

Simple solution let the kids have the Wii or play station and the grown ups have SL. As for the adults stuff and even the extreme since you have to either jump on a ball, click a yes i agree to be animated box and this is after TPing in and seeing with is about. Is there not enough safe guards for Mary Whitehouse and Fred Nile to escape before being sent to sinners hell?

Thanks means a lot coming from you

I hope now people will use it and start filling the pages so it truly does become an independent wiki for all the users of SL and so all you guys wanting a separate place to store LL facts etc. we have created it for you so go fill it up

We promise you that we will not remove it nor will we censor it, it is there as a historical repository but will only work if people want it to. Its not mine its for everyone here to use and build up.

If you are a wiki fan and have time and want to help admin it then get in touch via email, its in my First Life tab in game or via PM here and spread the word and URL

Thank you all in advance.

Bullshit.

I suppose if some large waste management company bought up some land in your neighborhood and put in a landfill, it would sit just fine with you, especially when their intent was really to get you and the other neighbors to "buy them out" at 2-100x the property value.

I mean, if you didn't like the landfill, you all could just pack up your families and move to another neighborhood, right? I mean, property rights reign supreme, even when used as coercion to force fraud, right?

Oh, forget selling your homes and getting enough money to move, let alone buying a new (or even equivalent home), too. Since there's a LANDFILL in your neighborhood, property values just aren't what they used to be, ya know?

Of course, the FUN part of all this is once you HAVE moved, the SAME FUCKERS show up in your new neighborhood at some point and start the process all over again.

Yeah, go ahead and support them and their "property rights", and continue to tell me it is the same thing.

Better yet, one member of the staff will be a Suicide Bomber....

Not really. The ad farming bit was a limitation of business inworld because it globally harmed the mainland. This banning of sex - even in your own home - is not even remotely the same. Banning ads was an effort to prevent extortion; this is just some lameass excuse for LL to play Morality Cops.

Thus far, all they've managed to play is Keystone Cops.

Yeah, just addressing his past stated aspirations as justification for being a "loud, arrogant redneck".

To be fair, that is neither scamming nor fraud.. it is extortion.

I support Freedom of Speech and Property Rights as much as the staunchest Libertarians you can find. What I DON'T support is irresponsible exercise of such freedoms and rights. You don't shout "fire" in a crowded theater; you don't buy land and trash it to force neighbors to buy it at inflated prices to mitigate the damage to themselves and their property.

If we got LL to act on irresponsible exercise of PRIVILEGES (there are no "Freedoms" or "Rights" in SL, much to your chagrin to find out, I am sure) in their world, more power to us!

The difference is that this "Adult Content" push isn't about policing irresponsible exercise of privilege (or freedom or property rights). The vast majority of Adult content providers don't affect anyone in any significantly negative way.

I didn't claim it was.

Edit: I did say it was "coercion to force fraud". Extortion is what they are doing, but in the case of adfarmers, fraud is also involved because many of them are misrepresenting themselves as "advertising businesses" when they are nothing of the kind. They are using misrepresentation and deception as a defense for their extortion practices.

This assumes that they(LL) actually read them or even care to take the second out of their cubism life style to look. I can only assume that it is just faster before lunch to select all and block and forget about fairness

I wonder if he was given a dressing down for stepping over the Linden line in a couple of those posts yesterday? It wouldn't surprise me if they've put him in a corner to repent his error of siding with the enemy.

I must have missed it. Where was he "siding with the enemy"? Oh, if you mean with LL, then yeah, but I don't think they would be dressing him down over it. Probably discussing his bonus for playing the sacrificial lamb part so well.

More likely they gave him a day or so off to recover...

/me doesn't blame him personally for this crap but Blondin's the only one LL will give us to yell at. It'd be nicer if management took some responsibility for their actions and acknowledged that they've pissed off more people than not but that isn't, apparently, the way things are done there.

I think I can answer this one - I understand that on the teen grid, the avatars have baked on underwear - so the nipple issue does not apply.

is account verification via a purchase on xsl

1. bringing money into xsl via paypal
2. bringing money into xsl via paypal *and* making a purchase
3. bringing money into xsl via paypal and transferring it to the sl account

or

4. transferring money from sl to xsl and buying something.

edited to add: for either 1 or 3, what is the minimum $L price for the transaction to register verification?

Brie, Alerting people of the changes is a MUST-DO in my eyes - and relying on hte forums and blog just plain isn't enough. It has to be on the login screen as soon as they have got their act together with clear definitions, and not before (there is already enough confusion around).

Regarding the poll as to whether they should do it - SL isn't a democracy, Linden Labs owns the Virtual world and has dictator-like powers regarding its rules and future direction. Unlike a dictatorship, we can "opt out" by leaving and not supporting the world.

I've mentioned this before, but in my mind the ONLY thing that would maybe convince LL that this is not the right thing to do is if they did the poll and found that an overwhelming majority of people would LEAVE. (Because disagreeing with it but staying doesn't matter to them - you'll still be spending your money!) We the residents don't need to know those results - us knowing it won't do any good because as I said, this isn't a democracy - not even close.

I don't believe that LL truly have an accurate idea of the impact that this change will have on the world of SL - it might be what they are saying (which I find optimistic) but it might be a lot, lot more dire. Nobody can say until they ask the right question of ALL the residents.

Greetings

I am not happy. I run an animation business connected to a large market. Dis assembling and moving my business would be a good deal of hard work, take a lot of time and time is money.
My region is Mature, the other businesses on my region are mature ( sex industry mainly ).
I don't want anything to do with this moving at all. As far as I am concerned the prudish minority should be given their own 'continent' and the majority should be left in peace. That's the first thing.
The second thing is that....why do we physically have to move at all. LL should just be able to move the region server over to this mystical new continent. Where is it by the way?

No, I don't want to troll through 300 to 600 forum posts to find the information I need.

Lindens move my whole region to the new adult continent seamlessly and leave me be!

Too, as I don't spend all my time in SL these days I might not be able to move my 3500 + prims and 16K+m2 somewhere else, am I going to return one day and find my business gone?
Will I be given new land?
Where?
And whilst I have payment info used on file etc...there is no way you are having my drivers license or passport number.

I expect the following as a customer of SL

Protection of my interests
Detailed information on what you intend to do with my parcels server and when
How it will effect me
How I will be compensated for any loss
Ok?

Just move the whole region and its contents to this new SL continent without it effecting me or my business at all.

Kind regards

Carl Temin

Ok now at 250 and counting,

and survey says not one of those 250 Adult content providers has been contacted, consulted, or even talked to about these changes.

So exactly who of "those most effected by these changes" did they consult with??

Anyone reading these forums who has adult content and WAS actually consulted, please please speak up, I would love to know at least someone was consulted in the adult content field.

How about muti sim owners? Any one of you Consulted??

How about Major mainland land owners with adult content? Any of you consulted??

Carl, I can't help much, but I can help with this bit: If you open the Map and search for the Arapaima sim (a new Adult InfoHub), you're very close to the new Adult continent of "Ursula"--you'll find it on the Map starting about 3 sims to the East of Arapaima. You can TP to Arapaima now if your account is Adult-qualified (payment info or age-verification), but only Moles and Lindens have access to Ursula now.

Yes this is true, the options island owners face are to flag the whole sim as adult therefore limiting the reach the non adult shops on the island have or kicking out the adult content whom won't be offered any help whatsoever by Linden Lab.

It won't just be non verifieds who won't go to the PG rated shops on the island, those who are verified and choose not to see adult search results won't find those shops either as the whole sim is considered a den of iniquity.

Linden Lab see nothing wrong with this scenario, which says a lot about their attitude to their existing customer base.

Minx Eisenheart I think it is, she was at one of the brown bags and I believe Stroker was at one of them, might have been the same one but maybe Minx will see this and confirm.