Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

I am here was doing the new wiki we have just put up and i replied

What if I had a private home with a bed and decided to have some sort of party? Say for a birthday or 4th of July or New Years or whatever.

Something you said recently led me to believe that if I went to a few of my favorite clubs and asked to put up a poster for a few days or just made an announcement, I'd be AR-bait for doing that.

oooh update on the bots debate

https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/land/blog/2009/04/23/conclusion-to-the-blog-post-on-bots

since this was a side issue I thought people may care to see

Just if you "advertise" it, eh?

Here's a hypothetical scenario for you:

Someone has a private home with their own private BDSM dungeon, sex beds, torture devices, etc. The Dungeon is not normally publicly accessible or even viewable. Now, let's say the owner decides to throw a wild, but completely non-sexual, party, and advertises it as such. Let's say it is his mate's birthday. 20 people show up and start having a good time. While it was not announced or advertised as part of the party in any way, many of the party-goers want to go play in the Dungeon for a bit.

Will this get the owner and/or party-goers in trouble? Will it require the parcel to be Mature or Adult?

Think carefully, it IS a trick question.

The problem is that, historically, LL's "edge cases" (which includes many cases that are actually closer to the middle than the edge; c.f. Carl Metropolitan being suspended over a painting of Michaelangelo's "David" are ruled so inconsistently that no one can bank on such assurances.

WHAT are you all doing to mitigate this issue?

I missed that happening as I'm not very old on SL. That...boggles the mind. What happened to Carl? Was it resolved? And if so, did it create acceptable procedure for the next case?

Blondin, I applaud you for being a lot more active the past couple of days with answering the barrage of questions - I think it's absolutely necessary to reduce people's confusion as to what is and what isn't Adult by the LL standards. Please continue. I think as your answers increase, the number of questions asked will actually decrease.

I would strongly suggest that the answers you give here are somehow built into the documentation available from LL on the subject, hence making it "official" - otherwise all we have to go on is a search for all your posts through this mess of a thread. It will also make it available to a wider audience and can more easily be used as a reference for those that want to help other residents understand how this is supposed to work.

Not according to this message just posted:

Excellent.

My wife sells content and yes I am not a mega land holder but have been here in SL a while and am known in the community for having a rational head, so yes i think i was qualified to be there, with a degree in Psychology, 10 years in the Military 4 years in ordnance and 6 years as a crisis negotiator with 2 years active service in the Middle East and i am also an adult content provider, we have a largish group as well as large adult RL website and use SL for our RL business and pleasure, i also took other peoples questions with me as well as i personally do not have a personal agenda to fill.

Now my qualifications maybe don't stand for much but rationality was needed and the ability to listen and then be able to communicate back to my my fellow customers in an honest manner what had happened at the meeting.

I am sorry that you feel that i did not fit the bill and yes i am reading between the lines

LL threw him off the grid and banned him for some shortish amount of time - 30 minutes or an hour or so - for having a piece of art on a PG region. Think it was a nipple that caused the gteam to finally act against this notorious trouble maker.

This is so much of where the confusion lies. The language chosen to explain the "Adult" vs. "Mature" split is vague, particularly within the context of SL and it's technological limitations vis á vis privacy. In a RL home, you can lock your doors and close your blinds, and people can't accidentally (or otherwise) view what you're doing. Because this level of privacy doesn't exist in SL, the definition of "open to the public" is much less clear-cut.

I live on a Homestead in SL, and it does not house anything more than our homes and park areas where we enjoy ourselves and visit with friends. While we don't advertise or otherwise promote our island in any way, we do get the occasional wandering visitor teleporting in randomly. Technically that makes our sim "open to the public" even though we are not hosting any kind of business or RP (other than our own). LL needs to define the terms very carefully.

And from the Knowledge Base (again, ad infinitum):
Again, we have a conflict between the first sentence and the second, and an issue with definition of terms. To "host conduct or display content" seems to apply universally and could be interpreted to include private homes. If I have a parcel that I am renting to another resident to use as his or her home, and that resident engages in adult activity in that home, am I "hosting conduct"?

This isn't just a matter of semantics. To create any kind of meaningful and enforceable policy here, the verbage used has to be selected based on the way things work in SL and crafted into statements that can be clearly understood by the majority of residents.

Why are Lindens wasting their time with this rubbish.
SL is a wonderfull experience and self regulation is the way to go. If some prudes don't like what is going on thay can easily go somewhere else.
My worst experience was from annoying christian evangelists.
Send them to their own litttle chinese continent.

Yeah i was at one wif Stoker it was the second brownbag i think
or thrid i forget

So, based on your experience of going to that meeting, did you expect all this upset and confusion to happen? I'm trying to figure out what the BB meetings accomplished. I wasn't invited specifically, but I did accidentally run across a notice for it. I didn't go, because they said voice only and I can't do that. :-/ Made me feel wanted.

Hey All, I have to jet. I'm on page 266 so I'll pick there later.

The BB's were really helpfull and insitefull for me. like i said though I was at one of the first ones, so things were still alil jumbled, but i got a good idea of where this was headed. and if the Text transcripts were advailble I dont think there would be as many upset and confussed people. As I was saying i was at one of the first ones and even for covering alot aof ground and not having all the answers, LL hearing some questions for the first time and so forth, They proved that they are willing to listen, and trying to make this as painless as possible with as few displaced users. Alot of the inital questions where answerd with what i think was fair feedback and explinations of why this is taking place.

any who thats my two sence...

POST THE BB TEXT TRANSCRIPTS THEY WILL CLEAR UP ALOT OF IINFO FOR THE USERS!!!!!!

I was at this meeting as well, and honestly, I found it to be the biggest waste of 90 min I ever spent on SL. QUestions were NOT answered and\or completly avoided.

I ask Linden Lab this,

Will the ADULT designation apply across the board, or is this a sexual witch hunt intended to weed out what you consider "undesireables"

as seen on the What are "Adult" Regions, groups, events, and classifieds?
posted here
https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6010

point #2 is:

Representations of intensely violent acts, whether or not photo-realistic (for example, depicting death, torture, dismemberment or other severe bodily harm)


I personally think the act of Combat and killing another living thing with guns, knives, swords, bombs, ect... (either online or IRL) is Extremly violent and should be flagged as adult accroding to the new rating system. Further the representation of killing another avatar in SL is alot worse then getting tied up and spanked in a bedroom roleplay scene conducted between two consenting parties.

IMO, if Simulated pixel sex is to be segregated then so should, Simulated Combat areas under the guidelines set forth by Linden Lab. It is only fair to have this apply across the grid to everyone, not just sexual content creators and hosts of public mature areas.

If an Avatar can not visit a Sexual Theme Region in SL w\out being age verified, then an avatar should not be able to play soldier engage in Violent action and Kill on a combat region in SL w\out being age verified.

What about a private residence in a mature SIM with a beach with a Sex Hot Tub in the side yard and Sex Beach Towel (very flat bed ) On the beach. The parcel is screened by fences and palm tree privacy screens. But also what about a similar parcel that is not screened? Note: it happens to be set to group only. Does that make any difference?

Has this been confirmed and if so could you show me where?

https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2009/04/21/update--upcoming-changes-for-adult-content

Some of it here and you will have to search Blondin's posts as well and basically what Brie has said is correct, you will file a ticket LL will come check and if rubber stamped you get the exchange, but no help with moving as such from LL tho they have said everything will be judged on a case by case basis regarding times for moving your things and the like. No financial or other compensation at this time from LL either.

Not in any one place that I'm aware of, so unfortunately I don't think anyone will be able to show you where. But as one who has had the misfortune (or is it self-loathing?) of reading almost every post in this and the other threads on the subject, the bits and pieces I've absorbed matches almost exactly what Brieanne posted.

I would volunteer, but I have no experience with wiki other than occasionally looking something up- It would be a mess in fairly short order, and I'd hate for that to happen.

Surely someone *qualified* to do it exists on this forum?

Maybe we could just do a wiki about LL promises and statements, document changes in the TOS, so that if anyone *does* decide to sue over breach of contract, they have a place to go for the information that proves the terms under which they purchased land.

-V-

I've been following this entire matter from the beginning. Every wonderful post, and its still hazy.

What I want to know is if they REALLY are sticking with this terrible idea of "file a ticket, first come first served and we'll let you know what we feel like giving you."
I know something was said to those terms, but I have a hard time believing they would stick to a plan as amazingly shortsighted as that.

Hey V

I can put some time into it as i work from home anyways, but i will continue to try and find someone or couple of others to help me. The whole concept of the site was to provide a historical point for people, anyone can sign up and post there just as the SL wiki.

I would like to think that it will become a historical reference point at some stage, but it depends how much people want it. I have supplied the server and space on the server for it with domain name, none of that will change as we have allocated space on one of the servers for an SL project so this will compliment it

It will only be as good as those that will help it grow, its a community project for those that are interested. I will do what I can towards it and i hope that word spreads and others help it grow

It was suggested, we have facilitated it now all it needs is filling up with reference material. It will not be taken down and it is there for everyone to use to document these historical changes as they happen on an independent site and outside of LL servers.