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Couldbe Yue
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04-23-2009 15:34
From: Thorn Witrial
Of course showers can't be mentioned. You can have sex in those. Tsk Tsk. What WERE you thinking? </trying to laugh instead of cry sarcasm>


Thorn love, not that kind of shower.. The running joke is that we're going to the ghetto.
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Lord Sullivan
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04-23-2009 15:36
From: Wesser Weiser
To Linden Labs.

I'm an alt and I've just age verified myself with fake information.
Entered a name, address, street name, country;
Choose verify with Drivers license and I entered a random number.
Tick the checkbox that I agree to terms and that I am supplying correct information.

Click next.

Your information has been successfully verified.


At least improve your verification because this is absolute nonsense.

I'm only telling you this, because you have to look at the verification process before even implementing the changes to adult content.


Tateru wrote a good blog here as well. Seems Aristotle has a problem

http://www.massively.com/2007/12/09/aristotle-integrity-el-dia-de-los-muertos/

Did you use any random country, address, name etc.?

So with this information everyone can verify without any problems and not complain they cannot ;)
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Couldbe Yue
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04-23-2009 15:37
From: Valerius Constantine
Not only shameful, but out-and-out *fraud*.

-V-



I must find those couple of responses to my question about the government department in the US that deals with internet fraud. Those posts really should go on Lords Wiki
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Thorn Witrial
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04-23-2009 15:39
From: Couldbe Yue
Thorn love, not that kind of shower.. The running joke is that we're going to the ghetto.


I know, but I'm trying to not be really bummed about all this. e.e; Not very successful though.
Couldbe Yue
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04-23-2009 15:42
From: Shockwave Yareach

Man, I'll just never answer any questions or polls from them again if they are just looking for fake validation for what they are gonna do anyways. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. My faith in Linden Labs now has to be represented by a 2d vector, as all that's left is the imaginary component.


I won't ever complete their surveys as I assume they'll misconstrue.

The only two I make an exception for are the "would you recommend sl to your friends?" to which I always reply no these days and the other one is "is your sl experience getting better or worse?" which they always throw up when the grid is seriously unstable. So you can guess what my answer always is.. :)
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Storyof Oh
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04-23-2009 15:43
#4281
the posted link comes up as removed...
Couldbe Yue
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04-23-2009 15:43
From: Thorn Witrial
I know, but I'm trying to not be really bummed about all this. e.e; Not very successful though.



look on the bright side.. you'll have us :)

(joke.. we'll actually it's not. meet your new family..)
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Couldbe Yue
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04-23-2009 15:44
From: Storyof Oh
#4281
the posted link comes up as removed...



what was it?
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Storyof Oh
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04-23-2009 15:49
https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2009/04/21/update--upcoming-changes-for-adult-content[/url]

maybe there is a new link?
Ciaran Laval
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04-23-2009 15:51
From: Attica Bekkers
I still dont understand why you arent starting a business quality continent, a pg continent so all the worthy places can collect and build a peaceful and orderly community from scratch all knowing that no sex, drugs, alcohol, poor language, off colour jokes, or fun shall ever shall take place? Most of us have been in the workforce and know about such environments.


The mature continent is being turned into PG in terms of public content, so there's no need to build a PG continent. To try and avoid people noticing this Linden Lab are turning PG land into G rated so they can point out the differences.
Couldbe Yue
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04-23-2009 16:01
From: Storyof Oh
https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2009/04/21/update--upcoming-changes-for-adult-content?

maybe there is a new link?
[/url]

it works for me and so do all the links in the post
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Kara Spengler
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04-23-2009 16:02
From: Lord Sullivan

This is where we need the lists of names of who attended the meetings for a start :)


Hmmm .... Chat logs of the brownbags would help there. Even if some people did not talk if someone logging was wearing a mysti or a radar ....
Jannae Karas
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04-23-2009 16:04
From: Nicola Samiam
I age verified me and my alt not long after the age verification thingy first came out.
It took quite a few attempts, the system being as flaky as anything.
For a while, whenever I clicked on the "Age Verification" link in "My Account", it would show "You are already age verified". Now, it just shows the form to complete.
There's nothing, anywhere, on the account pages to tell me whether or not I am still age verified. As far as I can tell, there's no definitive way of telling inworld whether or not I'm still age verified.

If I'm not now age verified, after jumping through hoops to get the flaky, buggy system to accept my details, then what did LL do with all that information? Sell it? lose it? Leave it in a briefcase in a bar?

I was just wondering, because if the age verification has been removed from my account, then I should imagine that I'm not the only one. Since there's no way to find out if this is the case before the new rule is enforced, then I would imagine that LL would lose quite a few of its customers when it is. Certainly I for one would not want to pay for a membership to some sort of "Stepford meets the Waltons Online".

And on another note, the layout of the Ursula Continent (from the map view) looks curiously militaristic. That grid layout reminds me of the kind of street plan that so many fascist dictators were so fond of. Just a thought....

EDIT: I just went to a few parcels that have the block on residents not age verified. Guess what? DESPITE my getting verified already, it now appears that I'm not. Great stuff LL! You're restricting the use of your product based on a technology that doesn't work. I may as well go back the "There". It's predictable, and it's compleltely free!
I just tried at the Bay City verification place too - same result. In the FAQ boards it mentions that age verification is required to get into some places in SL "just like a bar".
Excuse me! I thought that when I joined SL it was for adults, and therefore I was already IN the bloody bar!


The age verification thing has been bugged since day one. You probably are verified. Sometimes if you tp from where you logged in, the verification system breaks down. I used to have this problem with a neighbor's parcel. If I tp'd away then back home, I found myself banned from her land as it was set to age verified access only. A pain in the ass as we were (are) good friends.
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Ursula = Madagaskar?
04-23-2009 16:08
From: Couldbe Yue
Thorn love, not that kind of shower.. The running joke is that we're going to the ghetto.


The evacuation of European Jews to the island of Madagascar was not a new concept. Henry Hamilton Beamish, Arnold Leese, Lord Moyne and Paul de Lagarde had all contemplated the idea.[1] Some observers question whether Lord Moyne actually supported the Madagascar plan or simply mentioned that others had suggested it.

Nazi Germany seized upon it, and in May 1940, in his Reflections on the Treatment of Peoples of Alien Races in the East, Heinrich Himmler declared: "I hope that the concept of Jews will be completely extinguished through the possibility of a large emigration of all Jews to Africa or some other colony."


Planning begins.

Although some discussion of this plan had been brought forward from 1938 by other well-known Nazi ideologues, such as Julius Streicher, Hermann Göring, and Joachim von Ribbentrop, it was not until 1940 that the planning process was actually set in motion. Following the Franco-German armistice of 25 June Franz Rademacher recommended as one of the terms of a peace treaty with France, that France make her colony Madagascar available as a destination for Jews from Europe[2]

Rademacher, recently appointed leader of the Judenreferat III der Abteilung Deutschland, or Jewish Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, included in the memorandum to his superior Martin Luther a definition of the mechanics of Jewish evacuation out of Europe. "The desirable solution is: all Jews out of Europe," said Rademacher. Rademacher believed that Jews transported to Madagascar should be deprived of their citizenship. Once Jews had been transported to Madagascar, further theorized Rademacher, they would be used as hostages to ensure "future good behavior of the members of their race in America".[2]

On receiving the June 3rd memorandum, Luther broached the subject with Foreign Minister Ribbentrop. By June 18, Hitler himself, as well as Ribbentrop, spoke of the Plan with Mussolini in reference to the fate of France after its defeat. On June 20, Hitler spoke directly of the Madagascar Plan with Grand Admiral Erich Raeder.

Once learning of the new potential of the Plan, Reinhard Heydrich, appointed in 1939 by Göring to oversee Jewish evacuation from German-occupied territory, had Ribbentrop relinquish any future actions to the RSHA (Reich Central Security Office). In this way, Adolf Eichmann, who headed the office of Jewish evacuation in the RSHA, became involved. On August 15th, Eichmann released a draft titled Reichssicherheitshauptamt: Madagaskar Projekt, calling for the resettlement of one million Jews per year over four years, and abandoning the idea of retaining any Jews in Europe whatsoever. The RSHA, he emphasised, would control all aspects of the program.

Most Nazi officials, especially the authorities of the General Government including Hans Frank, viewed the forced resettlement of 4,000,000 Jews to Madagascar as being infinitely more desirable than the heretofore piecemeal efforts at deportation into Poland. As of July 10, all such deportations were cancelled, and construction of the Warsaw ghetto was halted, since it appeared to be unnecessary.
Studly Lockjaw
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04-23-2009 16:14
From: Blondin Linden
Hey All, I have to jet. I'm on page 266 so I'll pick there later.

Okay understand your loaded or even overloaded with posts.

But at your soonest posable moment could you address or take back to the team these questions for review and REPLY.

1. With your now addressing the advertising key words used to help control the flow of information is anyone thinking of the cost of the adult retailers and entertainers.
Q. Has thier been any thought into including some way to track the effectiveness of any ad or key word useage?

Being a RL business owner in the adult entertainment business for over 17 years this is something that I look at before I spend a dime in advertising as most real business do or should do if they wish to make it passed the five year plan.

2. Please can someone explain in clear nonpublic relations speach as to why it is that know one seems to know who was included in your talks. This in it self cheepens anything you report back to us.

Q. With all the smart people that came up with this game and grid is it beyond the power to do an in world notice of these changes and direct them to this form and other areas of information?

Thank you for your time!
Studly

PS. I know at times i can be very very direct and even been accused of being offencive when i see things being handled so poorly. this is in no way an attack on anyone person but the collective of the team I find it very hard to believe that anyone there in their heart of hearts believes that we as consumers of your service, that being ignored it the proper way to address this monumental change. If so then let me be so bold as to suggest that you place yourself in the shoes of the person who has spend many hours perfecting thier builds and ideas, then the time invested into marketing them in an unmanagable marketing system and ask yourself is it could it be just the adult content that is not attracking the real life business here. I joined with the full intent of being one of those business that made the bridge to your world but this move forces my hand to pass as much as I enjoy the game I see not one cost bennifit to me to continue with the plans that I had to when it was possiable to begin talks of the purchase of nine sims linked together.
Storyof Oh
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Posts: 139
draft definitions
04-23-2009 16:28
Having now read the draft definitions of adult/mature/PG i am incredulous that 2-4% of SL is supposed to be affected.
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ADULT
Representations of intensely violent acts, whether or not photo-realistic (for
example, depicting death, torture, dismemberment or other severe bodily harm)
Photo-realistic nudity
Expressly sexually themed content, spaces or activities (whether or not photorealistic)

MATURE

Second Life's Mature Designation is intended to accommodate most of the non-adult
activities that are common in Second Life. For instance, social and dance clubs (unless
those clubs promote sexual conduct or use adult search tags), bars, stores and malls,
galleries, music venues, beaches, parks (and other spaces for socializing, creating and
learning) all support a Mature designation so long as they don't host publicly promoted
adult activities or content.
Thus, Residents in these spaces should expect to see a variety of themes and content.
For instance, stores that sell a range of content that includes some "sexy" clothing or
objects can generally reside in Mature rather than Adult Regions. Dance clubs that
feature "burlesque" acts can also generally reside in Mature Regions so long as they
don't promote sexual conduct such as through pose balls (whether in "backrooms" or
more visible spaces). However, if any of these businesses uses adult-oriented search
tags, it may be categorized as adult and also blocked from appearing in non-adult
search.
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Most good skins are photo realistic...weren't we told that nude beaches weren't adult at one time?

Expressly sexually themed??? wasn't that 'extreme' at one time?

How can a store specialising in BDSM furniture with active poseballs pass as mature when reading the mature reference to poseballs in 'backrooms' or not?

For sanity and stress levels anyone with poseballs containing 'sexual' animations should request a move to adult to avoid an AR...in fact what would LL do if everyone asked to go adult (other than the handful of PG puritans oh and the educators and big business...)

On this draft no sex engine furniture store should be in mature nor poseball store. Who wants to buy sometimes for big bucks if they can't try out first and who can police their balls 24/7 incase a nipple is exposed?

As for drug implications.....walking down a street surrounded by furries and scifi av's..isn't that a trip and a half???
Pass the virtual naughty ciggie................
Talarus Luan
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04-23-2009 16:31
From: Deltango Vale
Says it all, really.


Well, that's consistent. I mean, female nipples and topless female sunbathing IS a California-centric moral.

..or is that just Hollywood?
Thorn Witrial
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04-23-2009 16:33
I'm getting really tired of hearing about female nipples. That such a tiny nub of flesh is the acid test here is just as stupid as everyone pearl clutching and gasping over Janet Jackson's three second exposure on tv. Women don't need this kind of crap. Everyone's got nipples. Move on.
Deltango Vale
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A prediction from 1991
04-23-2009 16:41
From: Talarus Luan
Well, that's consistent. I mean, female nipples and topless female sunbathing IS a California-centric moral...or is that just Hollywood?
"There’s always been the idealistic hope, ever since the League of Nations, that in this time of increased interpenetration and communication, nations great and small could come together to blah blah blah ad nauseam. Forget it! The New World Order is the thousand year Reich of international well-behaved center, with a small sexually pentup macho American adolescent core of police protectors and overseas mercenaries." - Rants, R.U. Sirius 1991; in Rucker, Rudy, R.U. Sirius and Queen Mu (Eds.) 1992: Mondo 2000: A User’s Guide to the New Edge. Harper-Perennial, New York, page 210.
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Wynochee LeShelle
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04-23-2009 16:43
From: Thorn Witrial
I'm getting really tired of hearing about female nipples. That such a tiny nub of flesh is the acid test here is just as stupid as everyone pearl clutching and gasping over Janet Jackson's three second exposure on tv. Women don't need this kind of crap. Everyone's got nipples. Move on.


We will not forget, that, while being born, M. Kingdon had full body contact with a female vagina! Imagine that! And he was NOT age verified to do that! Only nine months old he was and with full body in... OH MY GOD!
Brenda Connolly
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04-23-2009 16:44
From: Deltango Vale
"There’s always been the idealistic hope, ever since the League of Nations, that in this time of increased interpenetration and communication, nations great and small could come together to blah blah blah ad nauseam. Forget it! The New World Order is the thousand year Reich of international well-behaved center, with a small sexually pentup macho American adolescent core of police protectors and overseas mercenaries." - Rants, R.U. Sirius 1991; in Rucker, Rudy, R.U. Sirius and Queen Mu (Eds.) 1992: Mondo 2000: A User’s Guide to the New Edge. Harper-Perennial, New York, page 210.


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Talarus Luan
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04-23-2009 16:46
From: Thorn Witrial
I'm getting really tired of hearing about female nipples. That such a tiny nub of flesh is the acid test here is just as stupid as everyone pearl clutching and gasping over Janet Jackson's three second exposure on tv. Women don't need this kind of crap. Everyone's got nipples. Move on.


Don't forget Lucy Lawless' "exposure" during her rendition of the national anthem at a hockey game in Anaheim back in 1997. :D

Neil Boortz, Atlanta radio talkshow host made hay the next day over it, talking about her "pink-nosed puppies" that got outed at the game.

While I agree that it is silly and stupid, people seem to always have to make some big deal about it. Probably just because it is a taboo and no other reason. Most places in the world where it isn't taboo look at people who get excited/upset over it like they are sexually-repressed children/idiots, and rightfully so.

That LL is catering to said children/idiots is not surprising, but definitely telling.
Talarus Luan
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04-23-2009 16:48
From: Wynochee LeShelle
We will not forget, that, while being born, M. Kingdon had full body contact with a female vagina! Imagine that! And he was NOT age verfied to do that! Only nine months old he was and with full body in... OH MY GOD!


"I can categorically state that, at no time in my life, have I ever had a vagina stretched over my head!"

One lone person in the stunned crowd replies "butthole baby!".
Ciaran Laval
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Join date: 11 Mar 2007
Posts: 7,951
04-23-2009 16:49
From: Storyof Oh
MATURE

Second Life's Mature Designation is intended to accommodate most of the non-adult
activities that are common in Second Life. For instance, social and dance clubs (unless
those clubs promote sexual conduct or use adult search tags), bars, stores and malls,
galleries, music venues, beaches, parks (and other spaces for socializing, creating and
learning) all support a Mature designation so long as they don't host publicly promoted
adult activities or content.
Thus, Residents in these spaces should expect to see a variety of themes and content.
For instance, stores that sell a range of content that includes some "sexy" clothing or
objects can generally reside in Mature rather than Adult Regions. Dance clubs that
feature "burlesque" acts can also generally reside in Mature Regions so long as they
don't promote sexual conduct such as through pose balls (whether in "backrooms" or
more visible spaces). However, if any of these businesses uses adult-oriented search
tags, it may be categorized as adult and also blocked from appearing in non-adult
search.


Most of that could easily fit PG, sexy clothing? Are they talking about mini skirts and lingerie? Since when was clothes shopping a mature activity?

Socialising is a mature activity? Really? When did this happen? Stores and Malls are mature? Music venues? Who the heck wrote this definition of mature?
Talarus Luan
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04-23-2009 16:51
From: Brenda Connolly


"MATT DAMON!!!" :D