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Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Tabliopa Underwood
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04-23-2009 21:00
From: Blondin Linden
We're working on ways to link alts to primary accounts but it will not be a part of the initial roll out.
kool awesome excellent and hurry up =)
Ilana Debevec
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04-23-2009 21:16
From: Blondin Linden
We're working on ways to link alts to primary accounts but it will not be a part of the initial roll out.
Not acceptable. One of my Alts is a customer service/group inviter bot (yeah, pour all the time and resources into this needless task and not pay attention to JIRA issues for ScriptInterfaces to do group invites/removals/management, ignore something that really NEEDED and waste time and energy for this) and I REQUIRE a place for them to be IN-WORLD 24/7. Not acceptable by ANY stretch of the imagination. This MUST BE IN PLACE FROM DAY ONE OR YOU WILL BE "BREAKING EXISTING CONTENT".

NOT ACCEPTABLE.
Moon Metty
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04-23-2009 21:38
From: Blondin Linden
Going to Bed. I'm on page 271.


Yes, this is very constructive, mentioning where you are in the thread.
After saying "back a few pages" a couple of times, this is a 180 degree turn.
Thank you :)
Ian Nider
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Couple of questions.
04-23-2009 21:53
Who decides if a resident can have a land swap to Ursula, the resident or LL?

If Ursula doesn't have enough room for all who want to or are chosen to swap to Ursula, what will happen for them?

Is there more land area planned for Ursula if there's not enough room?

Will people swapping get similar land, ie residential, business, quiet, beach etc?

Will LL buy back land for those who want to move from mainland to an estate instead or if they can't fit? If yes, how will the price be decided? If no, what can these residents do?

Often people I come across don't know about this change. When will this be announced on the opening screen of the SL viewer for the general public who don't read forums?

How are children kept from or banned from mature parcels or regions, who's responsibility is it if they happen to get on a mature parcel or region?

How deeply will AR's against people in mature regions on the mainland be investigated after this change?
Sindy Tsure
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04-23-2009 22:00
From: Ian Nider
Who decides if a resident can have a land swap to Ursula, the resident or LL?

LL.

From: Ian Nider
If Ursula doesn't have enough room for all who want to or are chosen to swap to Ursula, what will happen for them?

Is there more land area planned for Ursula if there's not enough room?

LL has said that they will add regions as needed but they also _seem_ to say that the land-swap thing is a limited time offer and once that's over, you're at the mercy of the market. They've also said they're not going to to anything to prevent speculators from driving ursula land to 10x the price of pg/mature mainland, like speculators did on Bay City and Nautilus.

From: Ian Nider
Will people swapping get similar land, ie residential, business, quiet, beach etc?

LL has said they will try to do this.

From: Ian Nider
Will LL buy back land for those who want to move from mainland to an estate instead or if they can't fit? If yes, how will the price be decided? If no, what can these residents do?

Heh.. That's really funny.

What can they do? They can spend more money.

From: Ian Nider
Often people I come across don't know about this change. When will this be announced on the opening screen of the SL viewer for the general public who don't read forums?

This is all about giving residents more choices, you know.

From: Ian Nider
How are children kept from or banned from mature parcels or regions, who's responsibility is it if they happen to get on a mature parcel or region?

They're not. Since LL doesn't provide us with RL details, I can't see that it's our responsibility. I know I AR anybody on my land that says they're underage - not sure there's much else to do.
From: Ian Nider
How deeply will AR's against people in mature regions on the mainland be investigated after this change?

Wait.. You want more predictability?
Brenda Connolly
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04-23-2009 22:01
LL will decide if you have to move. You will submit a ticket, they will look at what you have and decide. They said they will "try" to match people with a suitable parcel as best they can.
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Tiela Matova
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04-23-2009 22:15
From: Bambi Newall
How do you resolve the problem that group-deeded object with no-transfer will be deleted, and cannot be returned, or taken back into inventory.

That means group-owned objects will be lost forever when you move, if they are no-transfer.

Will LL refund the purchase price of all these deeded no-transfer objects during the forced relocation?

Or will LL ever fix that restriction problem, and allow deeded objects with no-transfer be returned to the original owner?


You can take them back into inventory if the original owner goes to the deeded item and undeeds it.
Kazimir MacMoragh
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04-23-2009 23:00
From: Talarus Luan
Define "many".


2-4% :)

(sorry, couldn't help myself)
Tcko Cazalet
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whew...finally caught back up after being gone 3 days
04-23-2009 23:39
What if.........What if when they announce they are open to submit tickets that no one did?
I wonder what would run through their minds and how much they would panic...just a crazy thought...I'm a little delirious after reading for 6 hours....LOL
Tcko Cazalet
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haha
04-23-2009 23:44
I can see it now...I'm chained up and being dragged by the Gteam to Ursula and one of them house moving companies has my BDSM club in tow...hahaha
Lynni Aeon
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Profile content?
04-24-2009 00:21
My only question, still, is about what is seen in an avatar's Profile...I have seen explicit Adult content in profile pics (by the way, not offended)...will that be filtered as well? Or will one have to "Hide" those groups and remove those photos when visiting a PG or Mature sim?
StarSong Bright
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As per usual, right concept, crappy implementation LL!!!
04-24-2009 00:39
I am probably in the minority, especially as the owner of an adult content sim, Velvet Thorn, but I agree that trying to create a “predictable user experience” (the buzzword LL is throwing around for this change). I think as with all good intentioned things from LL they are going about it bass akwards, but I will discuss that later.

I got to thinking about this as I was considering showing my mom and grandmother this crazy Second Life. Mom is a big girl, I showed her around my sim without any particular worry, trying not to blush as she noted a few of the odder bits. However, when it came time to show my grandmother around, (and I was so NOT going to take her to VT!), I realized that I just couldn’t do it. The woman doesn’t even like to see movies with cusswords in them. I tried to think of places I could safely take her and LM if she wanted to come back in… And at every turn I realized this 80 year-old woman I hold so dear was going to hit into something raunchy and be turned off in about five minutes. I found myself wishing there was a PG continent, where all of the places would be "Grandma safe!"

But, of course, LL is doing this all backwards, instead of creating a nice well formed PG continent and offering all of the businesses and organizations who currently have offerings in SL as PG free moves there they are doing the opposite. Come on LL get with the program. Create a continent for the Grandma’s and other straight-laced folks in the world. That’s what you are really going for first and foremost, a “predictable user experience” so instead of predicting smut first, how about predicting a cleaned up experience for those who want it.

Once the PG’ers are all moved and comfortable, THEN set the current mainland to 100% mature. THEN, and only then, start moving the X rated content out.

I listened to all the brown bag MP3s in the blog posts, and I can see the good intent of the lindens, I don’t really believe they are trying to make an x rated ghetto as some have suggested. I think they are just going about this backwards and, yet again, their poorly thought out priorities are going to kill land prices.

What happens the current mature mainland when people are offered the free move to Ursula? Do the Lindens take that back over or do people sell it? I didn’t hear an answer to this in the recordings of the meetings. But in either event, in the 90 day period they plan to roll this out there will be *millions of square meters* of land hitting the market all at once! HELLO?! Is anybody in LL thinking this all the way through????
Hypatia Meili
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04-24-2009 01:04
From: StarSong Bright
HELLO?! Is anybody in LL thinking this all the way through????
Apparently not or they would not be implementing it the way they are!
Ian Nider
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04-24-2009 01:50
What are the "qualities" it takes to be eligible for a land swap?
Qie Niangao
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04-24-2009 02:17
From: Valerius Constantine
[re: a PG continent] Well, then, it can be a "very little continent" then, can't it? and that sort of proves the point that it will disrupt a *lot* fewer people and do less damage to the fabric of SL! :)

Lotus Linden: "... so then we build an all Adult continent to make the Mainland acceptable to corporates and non-profits."

Original Linden: "Why don't we just make a PG continent instead? Less up-front Mole work, then grow it with demand from corporates and non-profits."

Lotus: "Don't be silly. Corporates and non-profits don't want Mainland. A PG continent would be two sims of Mole builds surrounded by nothing! That would look ridiculous and embarrass Mitch."

Original: (confused) "But, but... you just said that it was 'to make the Mainland acceptable' for them?"

Lotus: "Right. 'Acceptable.' Not that they'd actually buy land there."

Original: "Oh, okay, I get it: the suits will like SL better and buy more sims if we clean up the Mainland and get residents to move all their Adult content to this new continent."

Lotus: "No, of course not! Nobody will move there voluntarily: they'd have to give up their precious NPIOF customers. Never happen. No, we build a little continent out in the middle of nowhere, give conflicting guidance about what is "Adult", and theme it inappropriately (Memo to self: can't do Disney... can't do steampunk... maybe Jetsons?). Nobody will want to go there."

Original: "Oh, right: Then we move them forcibly! It's the return of the Cornfield, with tier payments. Cool!"

Lotus: "Are you being stupid on purpose? If we moved them, it would reduce the land we can auction."

Original: "But how can we auction land that nobody wants?"

Lotus: "Those fools will bid on anything that doesn't have burnt-out adfarms. Remember Nautilus: It's still mostly empty, and we made a mint!" (sinister laugh)

Original: "Oh."

Lotus: (stares blankly at Original)

Original: "Right. Okay. I'll get right on it, L. Lots of work to do--just like when we started the grid!" (Leaves.)

Lotus: (presses intercom) "Judy, schedule 'Going Away Lunch 3-B' in, uh, about two weeks... whatever fits my calendar."
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Bith Wierwight
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04-24-2009 02:39
Best post yet on topic. I worked for years in the entertainment industry (at a studio) and I overheard meetings like that all the time. I actually planned a post about how some hotshot young exec has all LL a-twitter NOW...and everyone else there either is figuring out how to drink his/her Koolaid, or is plotting the next great meeting pitch, wherein all the cubs are culled. Gotta love Corporate America. Barf.
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04-24-2009 02:51
From: DanielRavenNest Noe
Once this forum discussion is closed, and the final draft of the the "Maturity Ratings: an Overview" knowledge base page is posted, will *that page* be what the governance team uses as a reference to follow, or *your answers* here in this forum?
Or, in other words, will that document be updated to match Blondin's words BEFORE or AFTER the promised transcripts for the Brown Bags arrive?
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04-24-2009 02:53
From: Deltango Vale
I have sent a photo to some of the people on this forum. It was given to me by someone else in the hope that it could become an iconic protest picture in peoples' profiles. I think we could create a viral marketing campaign whereby people put the photo in their profile picks with their own statement beneath it. The common element across the grid would be the photo. If enough people passed the photo onto friends, it could become iconic, like pink or blue ribbons or the yellow/red shirts in Thailand :)


Thanks and have put it in my profile pic :P

I have also created a poster with the picture, with note card and placed that by the teleport map on the sim next to the landing point. The poster is full perms and includes the picture, if anyone wants to drop by and pick one up :)

Lets spread this poster all over SL

TP is in my profile picks.
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-24-2009 02:56
From: Storyof Oh
Now whilst such article is mature once it does anything it is adult...and arn't the best photo-realistic therefore adult?
Photo-realistic doesn't mean photo-realistic, according to Blondin.

Blondin: Are you going to get the definitions in KB 6010 changed to match what you're saying here?
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04-24-2009 03:23
From: Blondin Linden
Many of the forum posters were in fact invited and attended the land and definition brown bags.
Blondin: I can has transcripts?

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04-24-2009 03:25
From: Andiez Smythe
Will Donald duck have to wear long pants?
Speaking of which...

One of the longest running and best behaved PG communities in SL is worried about the change.

Blondin: Any comments on this?

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04-24-2009 03:30
From: Lynni Aeon
My only question, still, is about what is seen in an avatar's Profile...I have seen explicit Adult content in profile pics (by the way, not offended)...will that be filtered as well?
Explicit adult content in profiles is already against the Terms of Service.
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04-24-2009 03:32
From: Ian Nider
What are the "qualities" it takes to be eligible for a land swap?
Well, to begin with, you have to be a business...
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Ryanna Enfield
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04-24-2009 03:37
From: Lord Sullivan
Thanks and have put it in my profile pic :P

I have also created a poster with the picture, with note card and placed that by the teleport map on the sim next to the landing point. The poster is full perms and includes the picture, if anyone wants to drop by and pick one up :)

Lets spread this poster all over SL

TP is in my profile picks.


Thanks Lord Sullivan and Deltango. Picture in profile, and poster on my land. I hope others will follow suit. =)
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Kara Spengler
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04-24-2009 03:37
From: Brieanne Bomazi

Yes, please define many.....


And how many of the people invited to the brownbags from this forum were:
1) there (Ceera said she got the invite rather late)
and
2) had full access (so exclude Deaf ppl, ppl who could not use voice bc they were at work, etc)