Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Many PG mainland owners have commented that they feel they will need to relocate to Mature land. Many Mature land owners intend to move to Adult land (assited or not). All these potential movements are likely to create imbalances in the land supply which will drive disparities in land pricing across different maturity ratings. Fortunately unlike real land LL has complete control over the availability and therefore the price of virtual land. New sims can be released in under supplied land and surplus land can be withheld from auction in over supplied land.

Will LL commit to maintaining similar land prices in all 3 maturity ratings?

A positive answer to this question would ease the concerns of your customers that they will be out of pocket as they attempt to comply with the changes.

It would also be fair because without some commitment your customers take a financial risk that this policy change will work.

Most of all it would be a strong signal that LL are confident that this is indeed what customers want because if it is, land supply would be more likely to be balanced.

Good question! LL has a mechanism (if it chooses to use it) to control the collapse of Mature Mainland prices when residents are forced to Ursula in the land-swap: just delay bringing the swapped parcels to auction. But if significant numbers of PG landowners flee to Mature without a land-swap those owners will have no choice but to dump the PG land into the market for whatever they can get.

It might help if PG landowners could swap for the M land that gets abandoned en route to Ursula. [Edit: (in case it's not obvious) and then the swapped-out PG land could be kept from auction until prices stabilize for that land rating.]

This might sound like I'm being sarcastic, but I'm not- Luskwood should move to Ursula if these changes go through as planned. they can keep all the community standards they like, and be safer from griefers at the same time.

Course, there's the NPIOF thing to worry about, but nothing is perfect, right?

-V-

Thanks Blondin and all those who replied. It's probably worth including this in the FAQ and/or the Estate Managers Guide, as I'm sure others will misinterpret this in the same way that I did (or it could just be me, of course lol).

Yes but, if the mysterious majority that want this change come forward and buy the PG then everything will be balanced. That is why if LL are confident that they have it right they should have no problem committing to balanced land prices.

If they have it wrong I suppose they would have to buy back their own PG to support prices.

They should put their money on the line not their customers.

They've used that crappy ice terrain texture, which is the equivalent of that damn rock on Corsica. tell them to use the proper snow terrain like they used originally around Koss. You can at least *try* not to be so grudging about this.

Ice fields? Really? Criminy. Nothing says hot adult action like goosebumps, chapped feet and e-peen0rs turtling for warmth.

listening to the definitions meeting the first few minutes were a couple of people wondering who else was coming, if they were there and not even sure....
someone gave their version of the definitions and it seemed by seniority no one dared debate them...after a long while a couple of female gamers raised some questions to which no clear answer was given...

Cyn (possibly) did a piece on why this was happening for the great and good and that an art gallery may well be adult................etc ..oh and that a woman in ropes however arty is adult...
A lot of silences...NO MALE gamer questions (to my ear)

If this was indeed a brown bag to cover the basic core of this change i.e. what the heck IS Adult...the room should of been abuzz with 'order order'..'one at a time'...set at a time slot to reflect the global nature of SL (therefore impossible)

As it was i got the feeling the Lindens left the meeting congratulating themselves on a job well done, a definition sheet pretty much black inked having heard the views of ..hmmm...er maybe 3 out of millions of SL logons.....

hey, I'm going to turn my house into the first snow bunnies free sex room and diner on the mainland to make sure my snowplot goes over.. So I want decent snow

edit: and you'll have to turn Ursula around.. I currently have an uninterrupted sunset view.. none of this facing north or east thanks.

I'm currently listening to the definitions brown bag as well. On one hand they say they don't want to be as black and white with definitions because they saw what happened with Amazon when they were over zealous with a policy change. But then you have them say at the end that simulated drug use is Adult. But this is something you see on T.V. just like the blood splatter issue that was also mentioned. You guys need to be consistent. If you are gonna look at this as what is available on T.V. during prime time, then you need to make that consistent throughout all of the categories, not just well blood is mature because I can see it on T.V. but drugs are Adult. There are lots of forensic file type programs on TV that show drugs, sex, violence, and murder. If you don't like that kind of thing, you change the channel. CSI New York was popular in SL and had their own Sim. Would that be an Adult venue under these new definitions?

It bothered me when one Linden started talking about how they wouldn't want their 12 year old to see nude art. Again, SL is a service for Adults. If you wouldn't take your child to a museum for fear they might see nude art, then you should not be letting them look over your shoulder at SL, which is an Adult Service. I have to question why this was the mind-set.

Also, I don't understand the comments about "People should know what they should and shouldn't do when they are not in private." Considering that SL is not RL and there is no real privacy or even consequences, how does "what you can and can't do in private" apply here in SL? How do you define privacy in SL? Does it even exist? It was mentioned that Advertisement of services/content was the way to define it in SL. So then if my house is a forest on mainland without walls and I'm gettin it own with my partner and an audience gathers round, am I now advertising?

The best consensus in this situation would be:

- proceed with all changes related to new adult policy except one: instead of mandatory age verification/payment info, just issue the pop up window with warning of adult content before accessing adult continent. This way a lot of people here will at least not worry about majority of sl residents who will not be able to access certain areas in SL

- allow at least 3 months for people to move (yes give them some time to prepare), you can 'encourage' people to move faster by giving them free tier offers. Those who will move faster will receive : during first 9 days - 3 months free tier, during 30 days - 2 months tier, 60 days - 1 month free tier.

- or create seperate SL client called Adult SL client and let people choose the client during registration

I think it's fair and it's real consensus. Since there is adult content all over internet and nobody is requesting credit card number before accessing this kind of content over the internet, so why SL would be different? it just doesn't make sense. nobody will bother to age verify if they can see adult content on the web without any problem. Under age people who want to access adult content don't go to SL, since they can see real boobs over the net. lol and nobody is suing web pages for displaying things like BDSM, real escort agency.

How about leaving us all alone and moving those that want a "G" experience to some kind of SL family friendly theme park. You could set up some G continents for the exclusive use of those want a more "predictable" (whatever that means) experience. This is all just getting to be too much, too expensive and not worth the headache of owning land. It seems like unless you are a commercial operator of some sort you are screwed. however, my tiers are as payed with RL money just the same. If I cant use my land for its intended Adult ( however commercial free) purpose, why should I have the inconvenience and expense of moving it ?

I was not. And I saw NO SUCH INVITATION in any of the threads. If you can point to the open invitation, I would like to see it.

Ok so Strip Club are Only Mature ..

What about BDSM Club where there is No place for Sex

I thinking an area with only kneeling pose and a few racks and some cages ..
but without any poseballs to have sex with??

strip clubs expose nude dancers (STRIP CLUB means strippers inside lol) so how come it's now mature not adult?

could you give us landmarks to some strip clubs. I would like to see one.

Every strip club I have seen has people eventually naked and emoting explicitly what they are doing to their own bodies or to the bodies of their customers.

For example: Stripper smiles suggestively as her fingers dip in pleasuring her...making her shiver as she stares hotly at Big Tipper.

And that's mild, imo.

Personally, I don't have any problem with anything people say, but know a lot of people do, or we wouldn't be in this mess.

I don't see a point to these changes. When you talk to regular users or read the comments made by most residents on this subject it's overwhelmingly obvious that there is extreme opposition to this move.

These changes are unnecessary. If you don't want to see overtly adult content you can easily not see it i've traversed the grid since late 2006 and i have never come across any of the extremes of adult content that is on the grid that is widely heard about. You can't accidentally find the content you need to deliberately seek it out. I have never walked a sim and had extreme adult content thrown in my face.

You are more likely to be hit by the same griefer 10 times on random sims than stumble across a sim that simulates extreme adult content.

This is obvious pandering to the complaints of a very small minority of residents who bare striking resembelance to people who write to newspapers expressing their negative opinions on every aspect of daily life. People who live under rocks in between complaints. This is merely pandering to the media after a small amount of negative publicity the reality is you get good publicity and you get negative publicity it's the nature of the beast known as public relations you take the good with the bad and move on there is no need to change direction to bring a minority of people or a viewpoint back to viewing sl in a positive light, let those lost causes go and maintain the previous direction this new direction is not where sl should be heading.

SL is a great concept and still has alot of potential but moving to hamper the openness of sl for the majority of people is only going to limit any future potential.

The majority of residents oppose this move it is not going to destroy sl to listen to them

But it will destroy sl not to.

You got it



People can do as they wish in a private residence. The club however, would need a bit more explanation. Is it advertising sex? If it is, which is fine, then it would have to be on Adult land.



If the club you mentioned above, is a run of the mill, SL nightclub - then there is no reason that you would have to move. If you decide that it would be in your best interest to move then you will be given that opportunity.




We won't expect you to police their activities. But if you decide to stay on Mature land, you'll need to tell them that advertising and hosting public adult content won't be allowed.

Same here Shockwave. I did however hear about the damn things AFTER the fact. So far, I'm not impressed with this LL insanity. If the G/PG community is so wound up, maybe THEY should move, not the adults/adult communities. This nonsense has made me rethink buying an island. Can't see giving people who refuse to hear any of us, truly HEAR us, that much money each month especially as they intend to treat us as unwanted cattle being herded into pens.

A note on the AV: I will NEVER AV with Aristotle! From what I've read and researched, it seems both they and LL have lied about the retention of information. See, Aristotle was found to be holding data for as long as 5 years without the owner's consent, according to the official reports.

If LL has CC info (and my use of it) on file (which they do as I bought $L with it!) I see no need to further expose my privacy. Should further demands be made, I'll take my money and my online pursuits to another game site.

I'm landowner on Mainland and I'm not a millimeter in doubt that the entire business setup on my land will be considered as Adult.
I have no time to read page up and page down in forum threads, + plus hidden places on Blog and Jira etc. This is really a impediment on my creativity, energy and enterprise !!! Therefor.: I exactly need to know where and most of all When can i opt in for that Land-Swap.