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Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Hypatia Darkstone
*I* Am Adult Content
Join date: 22 Jul 2008
Posts: 19
04-24-2009 10:02
From: Blondin Linden
If you have used Xstreet in the past, then you are good to go. I don't think you need to bring any money into Xstreet or SL for that matter. As long as there's a credit card or payment history on file, you'll be all set.
I have via PayPal.
But I am still NPIOF in world and can NOT get to Arapaima!

Blondin, How do I fix this?
Deira Llanfair
Deira to rhyme with Myra
Join date: 16 Oct 2006
Posts: 2,315
04-24-2009 10:05
From: Blondin Linden
If all you sell are animations, then you'll be fine staying on a mature region. Ask yourself - how do you advertise? What key words do you use and do you rely on specific words to target a specific market?


So if I rename my "Nasty Death" animation to something like "Nasty Moment", then that will be ok? :rolleyes:

Of course, if it is an educational sim depicting ancient Rome, then crucifixion must be ok? After all it was a regular occurence in ancient Rome and, no doubt, part of the general ambiance of the Appian Way. It would be historically inaccurate to ignore it.

*Grumbles something about the death of Tybalt needing more blood and gore.*

/me goes to make a killing animation - flat on back with legs in air with as much cartoon humour as I can get into it. I can invite everyone to AR me, all on the same day, when it's done.

EDIT:

I just had another thought - there is a parcel which tells the story of the Paris Commune in the 19th century and that has actual photographs of those shot dead at the time - this is photorealistic death in a very real sense. Now has this got to be Adult? This is history - something people should be aware of - even the kids.
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Ceera Murakami
Texture Artist / Builder
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 7,750
04-24-2009 10:05
Blondin's answers, or rather his evasive weasel-wording, when asked about Adult businesses being allowed to operate on Mature land sound like Prohibition in the USA, when they tried, and failed miserably, to prohibit alcohol sales and consumption.

Result: Bars became "Speak easy's", with a little window in a nondescript door. You tapped on the door, told the bouncer "Joe sent me", and went in and had your hooch. Organized crime got rich off the arrangement, since it was illegal to supply the bars everyone wanted.

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So I can see this in SL...

Business ad: "Carla's Kittties! We have lively, lovely Kittties for you to play with! What's a Kittty? Girl's have 'em, guys don't, but both enjoy playing with them!"

Resident at door of the store: "Um, hi.... Carla sent me."
Bouncer: "Whatcha want?"
Resident: "Um, a Kittty, please, for an hour? No scratching, but leashes are OK?"
Bouncer: "Yeah, we can give ya that. Come in, Room 12, on the left. L$1200 in advance."
Resident: "Ouch, that's kinda high, isn't it?"
Bouncer: "Yer Kittty gets part, part covers my work, an' part goes ta the sim owner ta keep 'im from flagging the sim Adult."
Resident: "Oh... OK..." *pays*

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Pity the poor PG resident who comes looking for a furry pet, and finds a very different sort of Pet walking naked into the room with them.

Limiting keywords in search is NOT an option for adult businesses, Blondin. You can NOT run most types of business and not advertize it. Advertizing that doesn't include keywords that describe the services or merchandise will NOT work.
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Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
04-24-2009 10:07
From: Deira Llanfair
/me goes to make a killing animation - flat on back with legs in air with as much cartoon humour as I can get into it. I can invite everyone to AR me, all on the same day, when it's done.
Reminds me of a cartoon I once saw... "how entomologists die".
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Skyhook Station - http://xrl.us/skyhook23
Coonspiracy Store - http://xrl.us/coonstore
Qie Niangao
Coin-operated
Join date: 24 May 2006
Posts: 7,138
04-24-2009 10:09
From: Thorn Witrial
*sigh* I guess I won't bother to finish my Fantasy erotic fae photo book. It's adult. I can't advertise it or I'll be forced out of my home. So I can't sell it, except on xstreet.

Weeks and weeks of work and location scouting and assembly and cost (for the ThinC book stuff). Not to mention the hundreds of lindens I've spent on image uploads.

dammit. e.e;

So bummed out.
But you can do anything you want, you just have to do it on Adult land. Just join the rest of us pervs on Ursula. Don't worry: all your friends and customers will follow along soon enough: it's the only place left for "pioneers", and LL is making a whole continent for us, safe from the suits, the prudes, and (nominally) the kids.
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Anabella Spark
Registered User
Join date: 2 Nov 2006
Posts: 418
04-24-2009 10:11
From: Qie Niangao
But you can do anything you want, you just have to do it on Adult land. Just join the rest of us pervs on Ursula. Don't worry: all your friends and customers will follow along soon enough: it's the only place left for "pioneers", and LL is making a whole continent for us, safe from the suits, the prudes, and (nominally) the kids.


are you a linden alt?
Deira Llanfair
Deira to rhyme with Myra
Join date: 16 Oct 2006
Posts: 2,315
04-24-2009 10:15
From: Argent Stonecutter
Reminds me of a cartoon I once saw... "how entomologists die".


Thanks Argent - I'll call it that, "Entomologist Death" :D
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Thorn Witrial
Registered User
Join date: 28 Jun 2008
Posts: 237
04-24-2009 10:16
From: Deira Llanfair
Thanks Argent - I'll call it that, "Entomologist Death" :D



No make it Etomologist Death, because they are twisting words and drowning us in corporate speak and insisting on unclear language that will only worsen the 'problem' they want to change until we freaking choke to death.
Persephone Loon
Registered User
Join date: 30 Jul 2007
Posts: 29
04-24-2009 10:17
From: Mystique Chambers
That is a joke I hope...That wall is no way in an ADULT sims. OMG, SL has lost it. They give us a new Adult sims, and already rules on nudity. LOL... I am really laughing badly. This only gets worse daily!!


Unfortunately, that wall is real. I've seen it.

Stuff like this is why I really don't want to play anymore. I've been one of SL's biggest boosters in RL, and this is just killing it for me, completely.

~~ wants to cry ~~


Persephone
Thorn Witrial
Registered User
Join date: 28 Jun 2008
Posts: 237
04-24-2009 10:18
From: Persephone Loon
Unfortunately, that wall is real. I've seen it.

Stuff like this is why I really don't want to play anymore. I've been one of SL's biggest boosters in RL, and this is just killing it for me, completely.

~~ wants to cry ~~


Persephone


Me too. *hug* e.e;
Lindal Kidd
Dances With Noobs
Join date: 26 Jun 2007
Posts: 8,371
04-24-2009 10:18
From: Blondin Linden
If all you sell are animations, then you'll be fine staying on a mature region. Ask yourself - how do you advertise? What key words do you use and do you rely on specific words to target a specific market?


Blondin...take a look at what you just said here, please.

Linden Lab won't tell us the words used in the new Search to identify Adult Content, on the grounds that it would make it too easy to game the search system. OK...that list will be secret for, oh, about fifteen minutes after the new Search goes live, but OK.

So, now, you are telling us to not use "naughty" words in Search, and we'll be fine. Oh, but you won't tell us what words not to use...and a mistake could mean significant upset for a business. (*knock, knock* "Hi, it's us, the Lindens. You used an Adult search word. Move to Ursula by sundown tomorrow.";)

Do you see the little logical fallacy in your thinking?
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Deira Llanfair
Deira to rhyme with Myra
Join date: 16 Oct 2006
Posts: 2,315
04-24-2009 10:20
From: Thorn Witrial
No make it Etomologist Death, because they are twisting words and drowning us in corporate speak and insisting on unclear language that will only worsen the 'problem' they want to change until we freaking choke to death.


How about "Epistomological Death" then?
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Must create animations for head-desk and palm-face!.
Blondin Linden
Linden Lab Employee
Join date: 2 Jun 2008
Posts: 381
04-24-2009 10:21
From: Thorn Witrial
This move is going to hurt. A lot.


I've been in the forums since day 1 and I've been to some amazingly complex builds. I know this isn't going to be easy or fun.
Thorn Witrial
Registered User
Join date: 28 Jun 2008
Posts: 237
04-24-2009 10:22
From: Deira Llanfair
How about "Epistomological Death" then?


That fits too.
Thorn Witrial
Registered User
Join date: 28 Jun 2008
Posts: 237
04-24-2009 10:23
From: Blondin Linden
I've been in the forums since day 1 and I've been to some amazingly complex builds. I know this isn't going to be easy or fun.


Oh my god. After all I wrote, this is ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY??? Christ, Blondin! How can you see everything people have said, zero in on the simplest, smallest part, and then say nothing but the most freaking obvious pablum there is??

How do you live with yourself? Really? Is the money that good?
Blondin Linden
Linden Lab Employee
Join date: 2 Jun 2008
Posts: 381
04-24-2009 10:23
From: Shockwave Yareach
I will continue to operate in my home as I always have. It's not a business, and it's not anyone elses business what I do in my private parcel so long as it's not visible from a road.


What you do in your home is your personal business and will not require a move. Carry on :-)
Wynd Ling
Registered User
Join date: 26 Mar 2007
Posts: 8
04-24-2009 10:24
I know this might ruffle some feathers but I assure you it is a valid comparison.

Clarification on Adult is important.
Firstly nudity, second on residential vs commercial as all things i have read seem to be more aimed at the commercial, lastly view.

OK some scenario

I own a home on my sim. All areas of the sim are mature. Except in my home i have a sex pose ball. Will this make my entire sim Adult?

Nudity- if i sell skins does this mean my shop has to be in the adult regions?

3rd....and prolly most touchy to folks but still just.

If i have a picture of Christ on a cross will this put my sim in adult, mature or, pg?
Reason i ask is most Christ depictions are nude, and the cross was used as a torture device also its death. from what i have read so far torture, death , and nudity makes your sim adult.
and if this depiction is allowed in a pg sim, can i have a picture of my avatar nailed to a cross also in the pg sim?

I am curious how it will be divided as to what is "art" "religion" and "porn"

Thank you LL for getting back to me on this.
It would clarify alot
Blondin Linden
Linden Lab Employee
Join date: 2 Jun 2008
Posts: 381
04-24-2009 10:24
From: Couldbe Yue
I suppose that's fair, we don't believe what they're saying after all ;)



:-)
Hypatia Darkstone
*I* Am Adult Content
Join date: 22 Jul 2008
Posts: 19
Waiting to see this:
04-24-2009 10:26
New Xcite Ad ? :

"The Finest Masculine, Feminine & Other Oriented Equipment"

:p
Blondin Linden
Linden Lab Employee
Join date: 2 Jun 2008
Posts: 381
04-24-2009 10:26
From: Moon Metty
Blondin, what if the venue is advertised on a website outside of Second Life?



Hm, Interesting. My gut would say that advertising is advertising and it would be adult.
BustyDustee Sideshow
Bustys Place! Owner
Join date: 24 Dec 2008
Posts: 44
04-24-2009 10:26
I've resigned myself that we will need 3-9 clubs total to feed the main adult club (s). a pg dance club that feeds a mature club that feeds customers to the adult clubs.

LL has done this, PG and mature land will become the new target as our advertising tool to grab new nonpayment on file customers.

there is no other way to prodeed now since advertising per'se wont be allowed. You, the lindens, will make the virtual adult industry unenforcible now as we in the REAL adult industry have been at this game a lot longer than you, linden labs, have been in existence.

I've worked adult over 20 years now. I've seen every trick in the book. You asked for this your getting it. Now all our group is doing is waiting to see what lands come open or, if SL actually survives this when the rank and file find out.

You had better have IN CONCRETE rules laid out on this one. As it is, a first amendment challenge may be needed here now if you want to continue to pretend this is a real world. Now wouldn't that make news?

Paying back all that tier would hurt.
Persephone Loon
Registered User
Join date: 30 Jul 2007
Posts: 29
04-24-2009 10:26
From: Thorn Witrial
Me too. *hug* e.e;


Thanks.

~~ sniffles ~~

BTW, your book sounds PERFECT for my customer base -- Persephone's Grove is targeted towards kinky pagans and their friends. We LIKE naughty fairies!

Too bad I'll likely have to move or be shut down though. :'(

~~ sniffles more ~~


Persephone
Blondin Linden
Linden Lab Employee
Join date: 2 Jun 2008
Posts: 381
04-24-2009 10:28
From: Marcia Moulliez
this will ruin sl for me...

I build generally and my store is on the mainland.

Currently mature as I sell sexually themed furniture/ bondage gear and Sci type vehicles. Most of this have the usual nukes fitted which is pretty damn violent I assume.


This does not qualify as adult. You would be fine on a Mature region.
Thorn Witrial
Registered User
Join date: 28 Jun 2008
Posts: 237
04-24-2009 10:28
From: Persephone Loon
Thanks.

~~ sniffles ~~

BTW, your book sounds PERFECT for my customer base -- Persephone's Grove is targeted towards kinky pagans and their friends. We LIKE naughty fairies!

Too bad I'll likely have to move or be shut down though. :'(

~~ sniffles more ~~


Persephone


Look me up on OpenLife
Thorn Witrial
Registered User
Join date: 28 Jun 2008
Posts: 237
About to Cry from frustration
04-24-2009 10:30
Okay, everyone, you were right. There was NO chance that the Lindens would read what I wrote and give an honest, thoughtful, helpful answer.

To refresh. This is what I wrote.

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*drops gracefully to his knees*

SL has taught me the art of pleading without shame. If what it takes for you to listen and understand what someone says is to put aside all pride and beg you, I will do it.

I beg of you to listen. Please. There is an important part of this transition to Adult Orientation that everyone has been trying to express. And after reading 4000+ comments on the Blog, it seems you either can't, or won't, acknowledge or understand it.


This move is going to hurt. A lot. It seems to us that you don't care about what we are saying because, when direct questions are asked in simple language on the blogs, they either are not answered, or are only answered by repeating the exact language of the official release regardless of the fact that people are asking for clarification of that exact same language. This is giving the impression of willful obfuscation, regardless of what you may really mean. Please understand that. If you don't mean to come across as steamrolling over people, you still are

It appears as if the 'discussion' is designed to entangle people long enough to pull this off and that people will just settle back down like they did after the casinos were removed. However, I think this time we are really screwed.

I think the sweeping changes made before in SL's history (casino removal, age play crackdowns) didn't affect the guts of SL like this will, but the lesson you seem to have learned is that Linden Labs can do anything if you are willing to wade through the backlash.

That nothing seriously different will happen to our world, however, in this instance, so many residents are going to lose so much time and money that I think they'll just leave. Linden Labs appears to not be paying attention to the fact that all the other major changes to SL occurred when people though the macro world economy was humming along fine. In this global recession/depression, people are feeling desperate and worried and angry and broke. They will not take this.

Again, I beg you to please please PLEASE listen to what we are telling you. Listen to the alternatives people have proposed and debate the pros and cons sensibly and clearly. LET US HELP YOU HELP US.

TRUST US.

If we do this, SL will not survive but thrive and we will all be the richer for it.

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This is the only answer I got.

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I’m done. I’m going to retreat and think about what I’m going to do.