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Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Roguewolf Vollmar
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04-24-2009 10:32
Well if I could understand how this affetcs me in any way I would likely more more worried ..but you can't get less sales then the zero sales I have now after spending thousands upon thousands..(meanwhile one poster is woried about spending hundreds Pfft).When it all comes down to the bottom line its all their bottom line that seems to be the main issue.The only thing i need worry about as far as any success here is whether on nor my visa gets cancelled as thats the sole customer base that supports me here .In fact it might even be a good thing to happen by this move certainly can't get much worse then zero sales daily ...
Talarus Luan
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04-24-2009 10:35
From: Anabella Spark
are you a linden alt?


Only in the most sarcastic way possible. :p
Argent Stonecutter
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04-24-2009 10:36
From: Thorn Witrial
No make it Etomologist Death
I suspect you're not an etymologist. :)
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Thorn Witrial
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04-24-2009 10:37
From: Argent Stonecutter
I suspect you're not an etymologist. :)


No but my spelling gets noticeably worse when I'm this upset.
janeforyou Barbara
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What?
04-24-2009 10:38
From: Blondin Linden
This does not qualify as adult. You would be fine on a Mature region.

So now "Bondage" are not adult?= i can put that in Mature and on classified?
What bouth BDSM/Ds?


"Originally Posted by Marcia Moulliez
this will ruin sl for me...

I build generally and my store is on the mainland.

Currently mature as I sell sexually themed furniture/ bondage gear and Sci type vehicles. Most of this have the usual nukes fitted which is pretty damn violent I assume."
Talarus Luan
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04-24-2009 10:39
From: Blondin Linden
I've been in the forums since day 1 and I've been to some amazingly complex builds. I know this isn't going to be easy or fun.


To be fair, Blondin, your sympathy/pity/pretenses at understanding are going to be taken as insulting in the extreme, precisely because your posture in this whole debacle makes you just as responsible for it as anyone else there at LL.

If you don't like that fact, you shouldn't have taken the job.

It probably won't come as any more comforting that your behavior over this idiocy is one of the primary factors in inducing me to tier down and leave SL.

Edit: I suspect I won't be the only one who feels this way, either.
Studly Lockjaw
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04-24-2009 10:40
From: Blondin Linden
I've been in the forums since day 1 and I've been to some amazingly complex builds. I know this isn't going to be easy or fun.

not to mention the over all cost of this on a business. less traffic due to the fewer people willing to be exsposed to ID theft. and don't give me the line that this place is secure been there had the 1700 usd taken from my account so blow that smoke up someone else you know what. had a grand plan of investing here to the tune of over 9,000 usd but sence you all have it in you collective heads that this is not a fantasy world but an exstention of the real one and any creativity that does not fall with in your scope of pure art is outlawed.

Please take a moment and define art to me. I have only been a partime practising artist for better part of my life. you through around terms like PHOTOREALISTIC with out really understanding the term you use that has a defined use in the art creative world so it is just one more level of prove that you have no clear understanding of art. would be glad to share any insight i can to help inlighten you on such matters. and yes i also am the one that owns the real life strip clubs and has a direct knowledge that the things that you are saying come from a place with limited knowledge of the business. the adult entertainment business is not sleazy, not dirty, AND by NO MEANS against the any federal law. the word Nipples offends people well then let them stay way for world travel if this was intended to be inclusive that one point alone set it way out of that mind set it is a way for you LL to save face and the soon you can get that out on the table the soon people in the (dare I say) GAME will or may start to support you. You say many but how many you say from the adult entertainment industry in sl what about someone that has been in it for years and to be freak longer then sl has been into the adult entertainment business.

but I am sure you never indtened to hear me for it is clear that you slect never to reply to anything I have ever said. and if my comments offend you sir I am sorry but your actions offend me.
Argent Stonecutter
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04-24-2009 10:40
From: Thorn Witrial
Me too. *hug* e.e;
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Blondin Linden
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04-24-2009 10:42
From: Talarus Luan
Just if you "advertise" it, eh?

Here's a hypothetical scenario for you:

Someone has a private home with their own private BDSM dungeon, sex beds, torture devices, etc. The Dungeon is not normally publicly accessible or even viewable. Now, let's say the owner decides to throw a wild, but completely non-sexual, party, and advertises it as such. Let's say it is his mate's birthday. 20 people show up and start having a good time. While it was not announced or advertised as part of the party in any way, many of the party-goers want to go play in the Dungeon for a bit.

Will this get the owner and/or party-goers in trouble? Will it require the parcel to be Mature or Adult?

Think carefully, it IS a trick question. :rolleyes:



I was never very good at trick questions but I'll give it a go: Oh And I'm assuming this is Mainland:

Odds are, they won't get in trouble if they are discrete. However, what would happen if 10 of the party go-ers felt uncomfortable b/c the other 10 decided to take things to the dungeon? They just thought it was a simple party! If one of those 10 submits an AR, then yes, the owner of the land could get into trouble.

How did I do?
Thorn Witrial
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04-24-2009 10:42
From: Argent Stonecutter
Group Hug!



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Argent Stonecutter
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04-24-2009 10:44
From: Blondin Linden

Odds are, they won't get in trouble if they are discrete.
What if they're continuous?
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Wynd Ling
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04-24-2009 10:45
can i get a response also please.
Melody Regent
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04-24-2009 10:45
Will LL offer free moves to private estate owners that want to rearrange their sims to have an adult region.
Persephone Loon
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04-24-2009 10:45
From: Argent Stonecutter
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Wynd Ling
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04-24-2009 10:50
I know this might ruffle some feathers but I assure you it is a valid comparison.

Clarification on Adult is important.
Firstly nudity, second on residential vs commercial as all things i have read seem to be more aimed at the commercial, lastly view.

OK some scenario

I own a home on my sim. All areas of the sim are mature. Except in my home i have a sex pose ball. Will this make my entire sim Adult?

Nudity- if i sell skins does this mean my shop has to be in the adult regions?

3rd....and prolly most touchy to folks but still just.

If i have a picture of Christ on a cross will this put my sim in adult, mature or, pg?
Reason i ask is most Christ depictions are nude, and the cross was used as a torture device also its death. from what i have read so far torture, death , and nudity makes your sim adult.
and if this depiction is allowed in a pg sim, can i have a picture of my avatar nailed to a cross also in the pg sim?

I am curious how it will be divided as to what is "art" "religion" and "porn"

Thank you LL for getting back to me on this.
It would clarify alot
Argent Stonecutter
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04-24-2009 10:58
From: Wynd Ling

I own a home on my sim. All areas of the sim are mature. Except in my home i have a sex pose ball. Will this make my entire sim Adult?
No.
From: someone
Nudity- if i sell skins does this mean my shop has to be in the adult regions?
No.
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Qie Niangao
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04-24-2009 10:58
From: Anabella Spark
From: me
But you can do anything you want, you just have to do it on Adult land. Just join the rest of us pervs on Ursula. Don't worry: all your friends and customers will follow along soon enough: it's the only place left for "pioneers", and LL is making a whole continent for us, safe from the suits, the prudes, and (nominally) the kids.
are you a linden alt?
Oh crap! :eek: Now they'll have to shoot me!

(Just in case you were being serious: Believe me, the very *last* thing LL wants is for too many of us to get to Ursula, depriving the balance sheet of all that speculative auction revenue. That's why practically everything we can imagine is coming up "Mature." Today, that is.)
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Wynd Ling
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04-24-2009 10:58
Thanks
what about the last question
Wynd Ling
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04-24-2009 11:00
hehe might have to but i have my own sim. its mature fantasy...hope fantasy is not a hot word for the adult scanner
Blondin Linden
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Pg
04-24-2009 11:01
Hey All,

There has been a tremendous outcry about the PG definitions and how it appears in the KB article that they will be affected in all of this as well. This was never the case and I apologize for the team that it came across this way.

I just want to say that there will be NO changes to the old definition of PG. We'll revisit this document internally and make the corrections.
Milla Janick
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04-24-2009 11:03
From: janeforyou Barbara
So now "Bondage" are not adult?= i can put that in Mature and on classified?
What bouth BDSM/Ds?

There's a build of the 1.23 viewer at the Open Source Portal: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Source_Portal

and it appears to have the search blocking incorporated (and no way to turn it off).

I assume this is still very much a work in progress, but a search for either "bondage" or "bdsm" returns:

"Some terms in your search query were excluded due to content restrictions as clarified in the Community Standards."
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Nicola Samiam
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My previously submitted age verification has been "lost"
04-24-2009 11:03
Well, it looks like I'll be selling up and shipping out when this ridiculous policy comes into force:

As I previoulsy posted, I age verified myself and my alt not long after the system was put on the SL site.
It took me a few attempts (as I said, flaky system), but eventually it worked. For months afterwards, whenever I checked, the page said "Your account is lready age verified".

Recently, I found that I couldn't get into age verified areas, so I submitted a ticket yesterday. Response? - "Your account shows as not veirified in our system".

So... having ALREADY age verified, LL have LOST the fact that I was successfully verified on its site.

Naturally, I'm not really keen to let these careless idiots have more personal documentation - just think what will happen when someone breaks into their systems (again) and finds lots of lovely scanned documents.......

It really, really beggars belief. How on earth can I trust LL to keep anything? How many times will we have to continually resubmit information due to there flaky systems?

As I've also said before, nearly $90 a month for tier, and another $90 a year for so-called Premium membership just isn't worth it for s kids' game. Looks like I'll be digging my (completely free) "There" account details out again!!

Perhaps they've all had enough, and are commiting commercial suicide because they just wanna go surf or something?
Meade Paravane
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04-24-2009 11:06
From: Blondin Linden
Hey All,

There has been a tremendous outcry about the PG definitions and how it appears in the KB article that they will be affected in all of this as well. This was never the case and I apologize for the team that it came across this way.

I just want to say that there will be NO changes to the old definition of PG. We'll revisit this document internally and make the corrections.

Er... There's been tremendous outcry for pretty much every part of this plan, Blondin.

Please revisit the whole thing!!!!
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Shockwave Yareach
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04-24-2009 11:07
From: Blondin Linden
Hey All,

There has been a tremendous outcry about the PG definitions and how it appears in the KB article that they will be affected in all of this as well. This was never the case and I apologize for the team that it came across this way.

I just want to say that there will be NO changes to the old definition of PG. We'll revisit this document internally and make the corrections.


If you try to control our speech or actions in any way, we're gone.

Remember - you sell adults a fantasy land in which they can play let's pretend. Nothing more. If you remove our ability to play and make Second Life merely a homogenized version of Real Life, then we have no reason to spend money here anymore. We pay to play, not to create M's vision of a VR Disneyworld for him.

And you will dearly deserve the bankruptcy.
Deira Llanfair
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04-24-2009 11:07
From: Thorn Witrial
That fits too.


No, I'm sorry Thorn - Epistemological Death is a completely different animation. It has to run via Rodin's "The Thinker" into Socrates taking the hemlock and from there into horrid convulsions with foaming at the mouth and running for the maximum 30 seconds... but, I'll send you a test version later.

/me needs to lie down in a darkened room now.
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