Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

I'd be ok with a policy that I didn't like if I understood why it was happening. Taxes, for example, aren't something I enjoy paying but understand that (at least some of) the money is going to good stuff.. But I just don't understand why LL is doing this.

finally someone else has noticed. yay!

me cracks out the champagne

Blondin Linden says, "...advertising is advertising", in re. to a question about "can I advertise my business on my own or a third party website?"

So now LL will attempt to extend their authority beyond their own website and virtual world, and control what we say and do elsewhere, is that right?

I have some news for you, Mr. Blondin Linden: That's flat out illegal. Try it and you WILL hear from my attorneys, and quite a few others.

Keep it up. Just keep it up. I'm actually starting to feel good about this debacle. We ARE recording all of this you know, and putting copies where you can't delete them. When it comes to the court fight, I predict the Residents you thought to screw will own you.

This leaves me to believe that despite the asurances of linden labs that anything is ok in your private home.

It is in fact not and just as mentioned before but never answered by LL if you F*$k in your own home you run the risk of an AR on you which means that you can certainly say about 50% of the population of the grid is effected by this not 2-4%

Ohh and the report that its ok to make sexually themed bdsm furniture as it would only be mature...what about a sofa in the shape of a giant penis..yes I would relly like to use the C word right now...ohh yes American's call C^cks Roosters because the word might offend someone.

the makers of dbdsm furniture will be effected because none dare use without risk of an AR comming down on them

Yup that's a fair point. I have no problem with the adult continent idea at all, I have big problems with the way it is being implemented and it makes no sense to implement in this fashion unless LL are bringing the kids here or maybe a potential big investor is driving this in the background.

Both scenarios however suggest LL aren't being upfront about the true motivations for this. The predictable experience line is absolute balderdash.

Yah, I was hoping for an actual clarification of what's OK, rather than "you might get away with it". I hope the clarification of "how many alts can you really have linked to your main" isn't equally unclear, because it's been "nudge nudge wink wink" for way too long.

OK. I've just been catching up on all the activities that aren't now apparently "adult"! I also note that the old definition of PG is to be reinstated. I'm rather left wondering what this is all about. 3 days ago I was confused. 2 days ago I was certain I was "adult" (having expressly been told by Blondin I was so). Yesterday I was certain I wasn't (having read that Blondin had changed his mind). Today, I'm back to being confused. Hopelessly confused.

Well I don't know about the rest of you but if this all goes ahead then I will probably just leave SL. We all know that the land barons will swoop on the adult mainland within seconds of it being put up for auction and charge an arm and a leg for anyone who wants to have sex in their own (paid for) homes.

Blondin, you tell us that animation businesses selling sex animations and having demos for those animations are mature as long as not advertised with "adult" language.

Here is my question: If part of my inventory cannot be advertised with accurate keywords and will open me up to overzealous ARs will that be sufficient grounds to qualify for Adult Land Relocation. Or will I be denied a land swap based on your opinion that I can just choose to not advertise the sexual animations?

I was wondering about that.

Problem is that worst case they'll just settle out of court and continue - just like they did with that guy who found the flaw with the land auctions.

I don't know if they still do it, but it seems they used to suspend your account if you disputed a cc transaction initiated by them,despite the fact it was blatantly obvious they were in the wrong. I can see that being the punitive action here.

Here's my question: How is it possible to sell sex poseballs without either describing somewhere (ie advertising in-store) using sexual language or sexual imagery what those poseballs do or alternatively allowing customers to jump on the apparently inncocent balls and play out what could be an extreme sexual act (which they may only realise after the event)?

It has been stated several times that Aristotle is not working right, you can put all sorts of false information into it and it will most times verify you. LL has stated that Aristotle sends back a token to say this account is verified, therefore LL will just see you are verified and therefore no problems.

Now I am not advocating anyone should use false information but when you verify you are only saying that the information is true that you have given it, therefore as long as the information is true, does it really matter whose it is? as Aristotle don't seem to care either and LL get their token to say you are.

conclusion, you are verified, LL is happy and Aristotle is ok because you gave it true information, just not yours No laws or rules broken either

http://www.massively.com/2007/12/09/aristotle-integrity-el-dia-de-los-muertos/

If this information is passed around then people can verify without breaking any rules and everyone is happy

Hi Ceejay, I think your confusion is because we've not able to search these forums properly to find the original posts.

The original example given here was a private home on a nonAdult sim which decides to ADVERTISE their one-time party. The key point here is that the party was advertised... advertising makes it a "public" event. Then the Adult room on that land winds up being accessed during the party, which means they are at that point technically violating SL's rules.

So Blondin was pointing out that "odds are they won't get in trouble" but the landowner could of course be properly AR'd because they had run advertising promoting that parcel and then Adult activity occurred during that advertised event.

LL you guys seriously need to wake up at this point and stop living in a dreamworld.

The educators and corporations who have been sucked into believing your second life platform can help their businesses will eventually wake up and walk away and not have poured in anymore investment than half of the residents you are knifing in the back with your totalitarian policies.

You might aswell tell the common folk to F*@$% off because we deserve a straight forward approach rather than the run around approach you are giving us thats usually reserved for government departments not wanting to fess up to collossal screw ups and take responsibility nor back away from their mistakes but maintain course to save face.

You obviously have forgotten who made your virtual world popular who invested their money in this platform when corporates and the media thought it was merely something that would come and go in a couple of months.

Without us you would be nothing and quite frankly when the majority of the money spenders who invest their money in this game for fun do walk away and quite frankly they will walk away you will be looking at your grid thats populated by a small amount of people who spend next to nothing and grief each other because the grid will be a barron wasteland where potential and ideas flourished but were destroyed by decisions made by a greedy corporate who lost touch with reality and their real consumer base.

We made you and we can break you and it will happen

You do not screw the general populace and expect it to be all rosey afterwards

How is it possible to hold a party without advertising it by some means or another? If you don't no-one will turn up!

Earlier on its been said that a store which sells adult poseballs/furniture would not be considered to be "adult" and could get by with a mature rating.

How would one advertise "adult poses" or "sex beds"?

how about "sex education"? or "Mature, Adult communities for those over 55", or announce a lecture to discuss "asexual reproduction of amoebas?"

what about people who sell "sextants" and their store's located in "Middlesex Mall". What keywords should they use to sell their products?

Finally can I still be an adult and remain immature?

I don't post often on the forums, but wanted to add another voice against these changes...

I agree.
Of all the cooky ideas LL have come up with over the years, this has got to be one of the worst. They're substantially and fundamentally changing the nature of SL, I think.

The conspiracy theory is that they've "massaged" the figures to make SL a more attractive propsition for "educators" and RL businesses - by allowing free, unverified accounts for example, and by never closing dormant accounts. Presumably, the big fish have now been hooked and are demanding that they "clean up". They haven't, of course, thought that these changes are going to reduce the "real" (ie: active) SL population drastically - Kiddies looking for a cheap thrill and who can't "borrow" mom's driving licence will go away, as too will a great many legitimate residents who would rather not pay premium grown-up prices for an artificial, anodine, sterile childrens' game that SL will surely become.

So why don't we make life easier on you and drop the whole idea?

You were paying attention then

So your gut controls the web now?

Originally Posted by Blondin Linden
Those who attended have disclosed their identities in earlier posts. And trust me, those who attended were not in favor the changes to Adult content

Which begs a question: Who and where are the significant number of SL residents calling for these changes?

With the memorable (for all the wrong reasons) exception of Nany Kayo, I don't recall seeing anyone expressing strong and clear views in favour of all aspects of these proposals in these forums.

I would have expected at least one educator to come forward and explain why he/she thought the present proposals were such a good idea. In fact, I may find that illuminating

Hmmm....
I'm paying tier AND Premium Membership fees for something that isn't easy or fun?

Often, rl isn't easy or fun.
SL is SUPPOSED to be something other than rl.

LL are really taking the p**s now.

"We'll get through this together" - A phrase recently uttered by a blinkered, wealthy, stupid, short-sighted UK politician. He'll be out of a job before long. See any parallels?

Blondin already answered this several tens of pages back - no that would be considered PG, so you can put it anywhere.

I think the quote he used then was something along the lines of if you want to crucify your friends, then that is Adult.

I think Blondin has indigestion.

LL are - the owners of this place. The ones that set the direction that the Virtual world will take.