Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

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From http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Adult_Content_Forum_Transcript



No.. Their virtual world, not THE virtual world.. I guarantee that other VWs are watching this with interest. Sadly, none can compete with SL quite yet.

Oh I'm sure that religious depictions of that sort are definitely PG.

HOWEVER....

Make sure that you don't hand out - *or even mention* alter wine. That's Mature. (Unless LL really mean that the proposed new PG definition was slipped in by one of the SF office cleaners as a joke)

Sling, they've backed off on that one - the PG/Mature distinction is the way it was, apparently.

Post #4570 from Blondin

There is a difference between advertising a public party event, and informing friends of a private party event. Let's look at a wedding as an example.

If Jane & Bob run a land ad, a classified ad, or an event ad about their upcoming wedding on their private parcel, then they are publicly inviting strangers that they don't know, to come to their land. That constitutes a public wedding. It would have to conform to the Adult Content guidelines. (No adult content should be accessible at their event, if their sim isn't marked Adult.)

If Jane & Bob only send out IMs, notecards, and/or prim invitations to their personally selected friends, inviting them to their wedding, that's a private event, because they didn't run ads inviting strangers to show up. Private event - not publicly advertised - therefore a personal party where they can have a Wedding Reception Sex Orgy with their friends if they feel like it.

Correct, Blondin?

What a strange demarkation they are making between what is adult and what is not.

If *anything* would be seperated I would certainly hope it would be something that caused wars, torture, sex scandals ...

Uh huh. It's OK to crucify the Son of God, but it's naughty to crucify your friends.

Blondin, don't spend all of that 30 pieces of silver in one place.

I admit, my tongue is a bit in my cheek here. The Crucifixion has become a major religious symbol, and it isn't strictly fair to try and hold it up as a way to judge other torture depictions.

But it's yet another example of "intent" being the key determinant. The Crucifixion was the torture and agonizing, bloody murder of an innocent man. It is the context, the *intent* that makes a picture of THIS torture scene "suitable for viewing by all ages" and a very similar torture scene "adult pornography".

LL doesn't get it. There is no way to fairly judge and enforce standards based on "intent".

These were posted a while ago:

http://www.massively.com/2007/12/09/aristotle-integrity-el-dia-de-los-muertos

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To Linden Labs.

I'm an alt and I've just age verified myself with fake information.
Entered a name, address, street name, country;
Choose verify with Drivers license and I entered a random number.
Tick the checkbox that I agree to terms and that I am supplying correct information.
Click next.
Your information has been successfully verified.
At least improve your verification because this is absolute nonsense.
I'm only telling you this, because you have to look at the verification process before even implementing the changes to adult content.

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I passed them along to the team and we're going to be looking into them early next week. (It's Friday ) Thank you for posting the link and for whoever created the alt.

Cheers!

Yes. Well, except for the definition of 'mature'.

So who asked for it? They claim that someone, outside Linden Labs, asked for this... and it wasn't corporations or educators? Was it Nany Kuyo?

FINALLY!

We've been saying that Aristotle doesn't work for over a year!!! Really - dig back and you'll find lots of people in the forums who had valid info rejected and lots of people who had totally bogus info accepted.

Is that how we get LLs attention, by getting it posted to massively??

edit: just noticed the articles date: Dec 9th 2007.

edit: while you're asking the team about the massively article, can you also ask about this article: http://usa.visa.com/merchants/new_acceptance/merchant_responsibility.html ?

What are the differences in the definitions between the old PG and the new Mature?

Yep, you got it. Fortunately, most businesses have store/club groups. They can send out IM's, notices, and notecard invitations to *very large* numbers of...friends.

That's not "advertising", is it Blondin? That's just me inviting a couple thousand of my friends over to my private parcel for some private entertainment. And of course, it would be churlish of me to turn away any guests that they might bring along with them.

Whew, I'm glad we have THAT cleared up.

We're on top of it.

Old PG is new PG - nothing has changed, according to Blondin's retraction and correction.

Mature is the old Mature, minus what they define as Adult (refer to this thread for THAT can o' worms!)

That reminds me:

Blondin: I'd like you to clarify this answer:
Let me be as specific as I possibly can.

Jane Doe owns a 512 square meter parcel. She has a store selling shoes for bunnies and ear warmers for kittens. Nothing in the store is anything beyond PG. The parcel is listed in search with the keywords "bunny boots, kitty snoods". 3000 meters up she has her home, a small skybox with among other things a sex-bed in it. Is that "Adult", "Mature", or "Mature unless someone finds her store on search and flies up 3000 meters and ARs her because she's listed in search and has a sex bed on the parcel"?

If you hang a crucifix in your bedroom, I don't think anyone would really have much to say about it (unless they were rabidly anti your religion. YOU are not crucifying anybody - you are hanging an accepted religious icon on your wall.

If you crucified a friend in your bedroom, I think you would have bigger problems (like being thrown in jail).

The fact that you don't see the distinction is a tad worrisome to me

Argent, Blondin answered that one specifically a long time ago and said that it was Mature.

You did an excellent job of explaining that this person should get a free swap of land into Ursula. If they don't then they will be at permanent risk of an AR. The knowledge that this is the case will poison their experience.

Needless to say, if this person's land is beachfront and with a Linden protected sim on one or more boundaries, they should get the same in Ursula. Although they will be obliged submit a request to be moved, they never actually asked to be moved.

How does this effect tier... since one wd want a while to move yr stuff to the new location. Also will there be any limits on terraforming? (One of the big problems on the mainland are hilly or rolling terrain which gets flattened out arbitrarily by the landowners. And even on flat regions, occasionally someone will raise or lower his or her land for no good reason.)

Making Second Life safe for all those out of work Native American graphic designers to finally come into SL and make a living.

Kalderi, I'm the one who asked it in the first place, and I quoted his answer from the first time around right there in my message.

A BDSM club would be adult.
A store selling BDSM content would be mature.

unless they advertise - which, oddly enough, is what shops have to do to attract customers