Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions
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Studly Lockjaw
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04-24-2009 15:32
From: Lord Sullivan It has been stated several times that Aristotle is not working right, you can put all sorts of false information into it and it will most times verify you. LL has stated that Aristotle sends back a token to say this account is verified, therefore LL will just see you are verified and therefore no problems. Now I am not advocating anyone should use false information but when you verify you are only saying that the information is true that you have given it, therefore as long as the information is true, does it really matter whose it is? as Aristotle don't seem to care either and LL get their token to say you are. conclusion, you are verified, LL is happy and Aristotle is ok because you gave it true information, just not yours  No laws or rules broken either http://www.massively.com/2007/12/09/aristotle-integrity-el-dia-de-los-muertos/If this information is passed around then people can verify without breaking any rules and everyone is happy  hmm... kind of makes this whole process just a Bgger PR campaign if you or I could do this what stps a child of 11 from doing the same? so protection of the childern wasted.
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04-24-2009 15:33
From: Sling Trebuchet Yup! Pure phallic it is. The puritanical hypocrisy of it! LOL i had to google a pic of it love the big cup thats a decent size coffee cup 
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Lord Sullivan
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04-24-2009 15:34
From: Studly Lockjaw hmm... kind of makes this whole process just a Bgger PR campaign if you or I could do this what stps a child of 11 from doing the same? so protection of the childern wasted. I totally agree with you its a waste of time and should be scrapped as a verification system imho 
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Studly Lockjaw
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Child Avatars and the furniture that goes with it.
04-24-2009 15:36
How will this effect childern's furniture and if it is placed on a mature sim or even an adult sim?
would this be breaking the rule in a backwards way?
I say this because although I am not offened by what someone else does not my point but know of a play ground that is in plain view of everyone on a sim the is clearly marked as a mature sim and when time comes will be flagged adult is my understanding.
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Studly Lockjaw
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04-24-2009 15:39
From: Lord Sullivan I totally agree with you its a waste of time and should be scrapped as a verification system imho  yes just so they can put on a happy face go to FOX NEWS and say see all better now they can fill in all kinds of faulse infor and get to see the dirty little things that you did not want them to see before just that they have to do it under an fake name hmmm... last time I looked I did not use my RL name here giggles
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Gummo Zaks
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04-24-2009 15:40
You all mention the advertising/intent aspect alot,
What about my place which is not advertised for it's adult content but has it publicly available?
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Tammy Nowotny
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04-24-2009 15:41
From: Tammy Nowotny What if you have a build which is only incidentally adult (e.g., if it has a Strokerz Toys vendor, publcially accessible sex furniture, etc,) but you would PREFER to have a presence on the new Adult continent. Is there going to be much chance of having a request for a land swap turned down? LOL. I am tempted to go put up some adult content on my useless piece and oddly shaped piece of land on Banyan (a mainland sim which used to be a mix of adfarms and businesses and currently just a fragmented wasteland riddled with junk and overpriced microparcels). I would be delighted to swap it for the same amount of land on the adult continent (which is likely to be a fairly vibrant area, for a while at least.) http://slurl.com/secondlife/Banyan/142/18
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Ayla Holt
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04-24-2009 15:43
From: Maleena Tiraxibar Ok my mina account is AGE verified and PIOF and I still cant get passed the age verification scanner, it still says not verified when i have been for ages. Humm I can only assume this BETA idea still leaves much to be desired. This is still a bad idea LL there are many better ways this could be handled with far better resaults, but what do we count eh? It's all already been done I guess so we are stuck with it. I have the same issue. So they haven't even fixed the age verification problems and already they are making room for more problems. lol. It's insane. Looks like some people will get the new adult land but won't be able to go there because their age verification didn't get processed right.
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Maleena Tiraxibar
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Lolness
04-24-2009 15:44
Uh oh they may ban that teapot, this is all nui ts the USA guys are stuck with the bible belt and the press nutters, the Uk IS STUCK WITH THE ''Loony lefts' who want to ban everything in the name of a 'safety' and europe is ruled by the EU who give in to the vovcal ban it all monorities, Lets all move to china lol.
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Lasher Oh
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04-24-2009 15:47
From: Maleena Tiraxibar Uh oh they may ban that teapot, this is all nui ts the USA guys are stuck with the bible belt and the press nutters, the Uk IS STUCK WITH THE ''Loony lefts' who want to ban everything in the name of a 'safety' and europe is ruled by the EU who give in to the vovcal ban it all monorities, Lets all move to china lol. Not before we've done a risk assessment though 
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Carrah Rossini
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04-24-2009 15:52
In summary (so far)
SL residents can buy mature things in mature stores and use these items in mature sims as long as these mature things are not advertised (think a private house)
If they choose to advertise, then this content is considered Adult and qualifies for Ursula.
But, they won't be allowed to move if they change a few words in search.
However, the modified search can still bring someone to the above place, and that someone will be within full rights to AR the owner for falsely advertising (or rather hiding) adult content.
Meanwhile, in the PG Land, Joe Annoying straps on a 4 prim phallus they created on a public sandbox using a free account as they are about to parade it in the PG area and grief the prospective Warner, Disney and Sony CIOs...
meh...
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Ayla Holt
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04-24-2009 15:54
From: Drake1 Nightfire Quote: Originally Posted by Blondin Linden Yes, people will be turned down. The reason is that the majority of people will not need to move. Many others would simply need to remove a word or two from their land info or search tags and they would be fine on Mature.
so.... we are now bieng told that if you can change YOUR land info and search tags you wont be given the opportunity to move......why should i change MY tags... F**k you.. im not changing a damn thing, why should i? as is i will have to move.. a word or two changed and im ok... screw it, i want to move. make me change it. Yay Drake1 ! I can't believe that Blondin even said that. Maybe they should just log in with our avatars and play the game for us and run our busineses for us as well. I am getting more upset with LL with every post from Blondin that I read. Stick to your guns Drake.  (wonder if I am going to have to be moved to an "Adult" forum now that I have the word "Gun" in my post) lol
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Nicola Samiam
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04-24-2009 15:55
From: Ayla Holt I have the same issue. So they haven't even fixed the age verification problems and already they are making room for more problems. lol. It's insane.
Looks like some people will get the new adult land but won't be able to go there because their age verification didn't get processed right. Same here - My main account has lost its age verification, but my ALT account (verified with the same information and at the same time) is still ok inworld and out. It's not very encouraging is it? Perhaps this is going to be LL's final solution? - Everyone who LL suspects may want to move to Adult land gets their age verification revoked. Then, their "adult" content is removed from the original sim, but when they try to get to the Adult Sim - "You are not allowed access.....". BINGO! - A pure, clean, predictable Second Life.
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Akira Luminos
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Join date: 19 Mar 2009
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Non sexual BDSM - or 'How to start a flame war' by LL
04-24-2009 15:58
From: Blondin Linden A BDSM club would be adult. A store selling BDSM content would be mature. May I politely suggest that you do some research into this lifestyle, as this comment will likely offend a lot of people... considering the question was specifically: From: MystressAnna Lovenkraft Ok so Strip Club are Only Mature ..
What about BDSM Club where there is No place for Sex
I thinking an area with only kneeling pose and a few racks and some cages .. but without any poseballs to have sex with??
There's a lot of very good, authoritative information on the subject out there - doing some (more?) homework might make you reconsider your answer as I doubt you want to be personally labelled as discriminatory, because, as I read it, you are stating that a BDSM club where there is NO place for sex will be deemed 'Adult'. Just a few to start you and your colleagues off: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDSMhttp://www.bdsmrights.comhttp://www.ncsfreedom.org
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Couldbe Yue
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04-24-2009 16:00
From: Milla Janick Kinky, erotic, sex, slave, BDSM and bondage all trip the search filter.
Oddly, D/s and S&M don't. Neither do two of George Carlin's seven words, and not the two you think. interesting, are you using the beta version of the new viewer (I can't remember what it's called)? Blondin, say if I do remove these evil, dirty words.. what am I going to do about all of my items that currently show in search? rename them bambi?? I'm sure as hell that I am not going to rename them and repackage them, redo the vendor ads etc etc etc - just so you can try and keep your customers by saying one thing to outsiders and another to us. and for those of you who don't understand the George Carlin reference (like me, I had to go look it up) here's a little bit of enlightenment. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwelMWLBPikso, how the hell can two of those 7 be ok but kinky isn't?? and just so we all understand just how ridiculous this is - here are those glorious 7 words of which 2 will be ok to use in mature/pg ads: shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker, and tits.
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Brenda Connolly
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04-24-2009 16:01
From: Nicola Samiam Same here - My main account has lost its age verification, but my ALT account (verified with the same information and at the same time) is still ok inworld and out.
It's not very encouraging is it? Perhaps this is going to be LL's final solution? - Everyone who LL suspects may want to move to Adult land gets their age verification revoked. Then, their "adult" content is removed from the original sim, but when they try to get to the Adult Sim - "You are not allowed access.....".
BINGO! - A pure, clean, predictable Second Life. AOL in 3D
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Ayla Holt
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04-24-2009 16:04
From: Carrah Rossini In summary (so far)
SL residents can buy mature things in mature stores and use these items in mature sims as long as these mature things are not advertised (think a private house)
If they choose to advertise, then this content is considered Adult and qualifies for Ursula.
But, they won't be allowed to move if they change a few words in search.
However, the modified search can still bring someone to the above place, and that someone will be within full rights to AR the owner for falsely advertising (or rather hiding) adult content.
Meanwhile, in the PG Land, Joe Annoying straps on a 4 prim phallus they created on a public sandbox using a free account as they are about to parade it in the PG area and grief the prospective Warner, Disney and Sony CIOs...
meh... That's what I have gotten from what Blondin has said also. Basically it seems to me that its all about the advertising. It's like if you don't advertise your Adult place you get to keep it in your mature area. So isn't this rather like a "Don't ask , Don't tell" type of theory? Maybe not, My head is spinning now. 
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LaeMi Qian
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Happy to move to adult continent
04-24-2009 16:05
I presently have a small southern-continent parcel that is supposed to be a swamp (though making the swamp-surface with prims looks not so good). It contains explicit adult content tucked away and so the proposed Adult continent is perfect for me. I am wondering if I can request that your Adult Continent designers consider implementing a sim-or-two of 0m-elevation land (or a flattish sim with waterlevel set to the mean land level) be created somewhere for us swamp-dwellers. My own preferences (I don't necessarily expect to get all of this- it's just what would be ideal for me) would be for an inland sim surrounded by a thin strip of rugged and heavily-treed linden-land on 2 sides. Possibly a navigable river along one side if you are going to have such things in this continent. Butt the 4th side up against a sim suitable for a place like my present diagonal neighbour Hamman (those sewers would be soooo nice draining in!). Appropriate windlight atmospherics too. I don't have the resources (somewhat financial, but mainly time) to run an estate which would do this for me - I'd rather rent my parcels from LL as part of a continent if a suitable sim could be provided. Feel free to call the sim Murky Swamp (presently the name of my parcel) 
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Nicola Samiam
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04-24-2009 16:07
From: Blondin Linden These were posted a while ago: http://www.massively.com/2007/12/09/aristotle-integrity-el-dia-de-los-muertos& To Linden Labs. I'm an alt and I've just age verified myself with fake information. Entered a name, address, street name, country; Choose verify with Drivers license and I entered a random number. Tick the checkbox that I agree to terms and that I am supplying correct information. Click next. Your information has been successfully verified. At least improve your verification because this is absolute nonsense. I'm only telling you this, because you have to look at the verification process before even implementing the changes to adult content. =========== I passed them along to the team and we're going to be looking into them early next week. (It's Friday  ) Thank you for posting the link and for whoever created the alt. Cheers! There have also been quite a few posts about the age verification system being broken. Will this be looked into too please?
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Valerius Constantine
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04-24-2009 16:19
From: Couldbe Yue They've used that crappy ice terrain texture, which is the equivalent of that damn rock on Corsica. tell them to use the proper snow terrain like they used originally around Koss. You can at least *try* not to be so grudging about this. In order to prove that they're not sending us to a ghetto, they've created a *gulag* instead, then? -V-
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Ciaran Laval
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04-24-2009 16:26
Blondin cut the crap and tell us the timescale for when the kids are coming. This whole process is absurd nonsense, you're making mature search PG, that's a fact. When are the kids coming, stop beating around the bush.
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Couldbe Yue
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04-24-2009 16:27
From: Valerius Constantine In order to prove that they're not sending us to a ghetto, they've created a *gulag* instead, then?
-V- well I suppose it's like being suckered by the predictable experience question. I'm to blame. I wanted my snow replacement so of course we get an icy gulag lol
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Talarus Luan
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04-24-2009 16:29
From: Blondin Linden We understand that people will want to test out products before they buy them. This expected and reasonable on a mature region. Great! So, when these "Mature" animations stores are ARed, and are told to put away their "adult stuff, or move to Ursula", what will become of your response then? Are you going to be the one policing it? I mean, you suuuuurre do use a lot of "I thinks" and "My gut tells mes" for this to be a policy being delivered by an innocent messenger.
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Sin Toshi
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04-24-2009 16:33
From: Valerius Constantine In order to prove that they're not sending us to a ghetto, they've created a *gulag* instead, then?
-V- It's not so much a question of forced relocation as much as it is are you lucky enough to qualify for land swap. The majority of businesses with adult content will simply be forced to change their advertising leaving a wide open playing field to those who qualify for land swap or can afford access to Ursula or private estates rated adult. If you have a business that relies on adult traffic...that's not the gulag, that's the jackpot
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Talarus Luan
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04-24-2009 16:38
From: Blondin Linden No, we don't want people to be less descriptive, but often times, if they remove a word or two, then the ad won't be flagged as Adult. Blondin, I am curious. Do you have an inner monologue that you run these answers by before you post them, or do you just dump them out without thinking? IF YOU REMOVE A WORD OR TWO, ESPECIALLY WORDS WHICH ARE *HIGHLY* INDICATIVE OF THE TYPE OF CONTENT WHICH WILL BE ENCOUNTERED, IT *WILL* BE LESS DESCRIPTIVE AND, HENCE, BECOME A "LESS PREDICTABLE" EXPERIENCE FOR THOSE WHO COME TO THAT LAND! Do you REALLY expect us to buy THAT? Please do us all a favor; stop pissing down our backs and telling us that it is raining.
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