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Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Ciaran Laval
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04-24-2009 17:49
From: Couldbe Yue
as a side note you can see just how widespread the term AO is with the organisation. Obviously they note we use different terminology and chose to ignore this, nor make any effort to tailor their communication style to their audience.


The misuse of AO is due to their lack of living inworld like residents. Their policy decision is due to their lack of living inworld like residents.
Storyof Oh
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04-24-2009 17:49
Already some poorly placed land parcels are being stocked with adult items and verbage in an attempt to qualify as adult...search 'Ursula' for examples.

FACT...Ursula land will be at a premium expecially if LL underestimated the number of users being *forced* to move...how will they distinguish between the genuine cases and the potential land speculators attempting a move under the radar?

LL may not agree to a user moving to Ursula??? This is like saying a business cannot expand its range...what it IS SAYING is 'you wont get a free move, you will have to live in fear and be excluded from search by removing key words until you decide there is no alternative but pay huge bucks to move yourself'

What if eventually a non adult business decides adult is the way to go, or that their products have to be adult rated/described?..will there still be room left to move into? What if the business cannot then afford the land price required having missed the free swop?

What if LL doesn't allow a free swop but at a later date decides (or as an AR result) you need to go adult, can you still swop?

So far the Blondin response 'customers are expected to try out poses' flies in the face of the definitions brown bag meeting where it was clearly stated that sex acts and balls were adult when in public plus presenting a storeowner nightmare to police...

For those still wondering why LL are bothering...you only have to read the glowing tone of the blog on some Mexican University using SL to understand the safe, predictable direction LL want 'your world, your imagination' to go. Core users are now a risky inconvenience to be fragmented and sidelined.

What is being overlooked is the dollars received by the established gamers v 'educators and commerce'. In a global recession is SL presence really top priority for these operations bearing in mind only top range computers can even RUN the game? LL need to stop sucking up to this wish list and return to its roots of providing a fun virtual reality for humans over 18 years old...(as adult seems to equal porn now)
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04-24-2009 17:52
From: Ciaran Laval
The misuse of AO is due to their lack of living inworld like residents. Their policy decision is due to their lack of living inworld like residents.

Let's just use FU. There's no confusion as to what that means.
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Nicola Samiam
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04-24-2009 17:54
From: Couldbe Yue
https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=496188#496188





there's the answer (if slightly obfuscated as someone actually asked if it was age verification and meta dodged that by calling it AO verification)

as a side note you can see just how widespread the term AO is with the organisation. Obviously they note we use different terminology and chose to ignore this, nor make any effort to tailor their communication style to their audience.


Nope. Still don't get it! Perhaps I'm too stupid for Animation OverriderLand.
Tali Rosca
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04-24-2009 18:02
From: Ciaran Laval
The new PG standards have been revoked, we're back to the old standards, so it's like the new mature standards but you can't swear or women cant 'go topless.

No they haven't. One single Linden has in this (unofficial) forum said, "Ah, but we don't really mean to enforce it that way".
Valerius Constantine
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04-24-2009 18:05
From: Evelyne Bourdeille
Hello all
<snip>
The first word popping in my mind is GHETTO and tagging people. Hell, do humans never learn from their past? Didn't humankind have that often enough in it's history, and we all know where it lead to.

<godwin snippage>

Do you really now want to tell me, I have to cope with similar narrow minded people that only try to explain to people what 'good' it is for them, to simply explain their more than discussable actions? Is that the point where we are in an environment that was meant for people to enjoy? Can a team of people not come up with better ideas than the crap I read here?


That's something else that I haven't let into my thoughtspace- The fact that LL is listening to, and acting on the wants of a group of people, *however* large, who actually said:

"My SL experience would be so much better if only *those people* would stay where I can't see them. Get rid of them!"

You know what? I'm not sure I'd even give the *time* to someone who said that to me.
I'd very much respect someone who said "Hey, could you put your plums away? there's *kids* here! and I realize that there will be some people who simply will not participate in a *polite* society.

But to *cater* to the kind of person who thinks that they can improve *any* aspect of *their* life by getting rid of people who are doing nothing wrong?

I'm not sure I'd like to do business with anyone like that in any case.
And if the opinions driving the changes come from *within* the company itself? Even worse.

LL, You *are* planning on rounding people up and transporting them to please a minority. Maybe you might want to step back from that decision and think about it for a while- look around and see what company you'd be in *then*.

-V-
Brenda Connolly
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04-24-2009 18:06
From: Nicola Samiam
Nope. Still don't get it! Perhaps I'm too stupid for Animation OverriderLand.


Do you think maybe there is a chance whoever invented the Animation Override could get LL with one of those YMCA Takedown thingies?
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Thorn Witrial
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04-24-2009 18:10
I have come to the conclusion that this plan of Linden Labs is ethically untenable. The dilemma before me now is this:

Do I want to continue to contribute financially to a company that may (not totally sure on this either actually) be acting legally, but certainly not honestly?

I put it to the community. Do you want to do business with a company that is not acting with honor or consistency with regard to their stated goals for working with this community?
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04-24-2009 18:12
From: Marigold Devin
But I did initially find it by accident while bot-hunting so it was a wee bit of a shock to find real life photographs of cum-shots and the like when I wasn't expecting it.

Thanks, that's the funniest thing I've heard all day.
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04-24-2009 18:14
From: Thorn Witrial

Do I want to continue to contribute financially to a company that may (not totally sure on this either actually) be acting legally, but certainly not honestly?
No, but what does that leave? I can't live on Ben & Jerry's alone!
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04-24-2009 18:19
From: Ciaran Laval
So because you're a peeping Tom you want content you shouldn't be poking your nose into in the first place removed?
Where did Marigold say she wanted it removed?

I've gone green dot hunting now and then and landed in the middle of weird stuff as well. You'd think they'd think to set a landing point outside the fetish zone, oh well...
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04-24-2009 18:21
From: Brenda Connolly
Let's just use FU. There's no confusion as to what that means.
That was the STD code for Vaucluse back in the '70s, when it was only two digits and before they quit putting letters on phone dials.
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Ciaran Laval
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04-24-2009 18:21
From: Brenda Connolly
Do you think maybe there is a chance whoever invented the Animation Override could get LL with one of those YMCA Takedown thingies?


DMCA dear, it's a DMCA!

It's fun to file a D-M-C-A
It's fun to file a D-M-C-A
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04-24-2009 18:22
From: Argent Stonecutter
That was the STD code for Vaucluse back in the '70s, when it was only two digits and before they quit putting letters on phone dials.

I have no idea what that means.
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-24-2009 18:23
From: Brenda Connolly
Do you think maybe there is a chance whoever invented the Animation Override could get LL with one of those YMCA Takedown thingies?

Young man, there’s no need to feel down.
I said young man, this law is good.
I said young man, it helps the MPAA
There’s no need to hack at all now

Young man, do away with mp3
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If you do now, I’m sure you will find
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04-24-2009 18:23
From: Ciaran Laval
DMCA dear, it's a DMCA!

It's fun to file a D-M-C-A
It's fun to file a D-M-C-A


Catchy. It would make a great song.

EDIT: QED
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Valerius Constantine
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04-24-2009 18:24
From: Blondin Linden
Hm, Interesting. My gut would say that advertising is advertising and it would be adult.



I think you would be hard pressed to find a lawyer who agreed with you- the LL TOS applies only to Second Life- not any other venues. LL can only control the advertising it it's *own* sphere of influence. Seach, etc. The SL TOS didn't even apply to XstreetSl until LL bought it.

I'm not a lawyer, but I'd check with marty on this one :)

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04-24-2009 18:24
From: Brenda Connolly
I have no idea what that means.
STD - Subscriber Trunk Dialling - "area code". Telephones used to have these metal disks on them called "dials" that you turned to "dial" a number.
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Lindal Kidd
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04-24-2009 18:29
From: Akira Luminos
May I politely suggest that you do some research into this lifestyle, as this comment will likely offend a lot of people... considering the question was specifically:



There's a lot of very good, authoritative information on the subject out there - doing some (more?) homework might make you reconsider your answer as I doubt you want to be personally labelled as discriminatory, because, as I read it, you are stating that a BDSM club where there is NO place for sex will be deemed 'Adult'.

Just a few to start you and your colleagues off:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDSM
http://www.bdsmrights.com
http://www.ncsfreedom.org


Um...well, MistressAnna has kind of thrown out a red herring here. BDSM is a sexual paraphilia...that is, a fetish, becoming sexually aroused by something that is not normally considered considered a sexual cue. Someone into BDSM can get an awful lot of sexual pleasure out of things that would not be considered "having sex" by the vanilla folks.

But I still find Blondin's response amusing. It's OK to SELL the whips and chains, but not OK to USE them. Hmm. :rolleyes: Uh, no...I don't think the Nannies are going to go along with that one. Too unpredictable.
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04-24-2009 18:32
From: Lindal Kidd
Um...well, MistressAnna has kind of thrown out a red herring here. BDSM is a sexual paraphilia...that is, a fetish, becoming sexually aroused by something that is not normally considered considered a sexual cue. Someone into BDSM can get an awful lot of sexual pleasure out of things that would not be considered "having sex" by the vanilla folks.

But I still find Blondin's response amusing. It's OK to SELL the whips and chains, but not OK to USE them. Hmm. :rolleyes: Uh, no...I don't think the Nannies are going to go along with that one. Too unpredictable.


What if one was buying them for "Educational Purposes"?
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Ciaran Laval
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04-24-2009 18:41
From: Argent Stonecutter
STD - Subscriber Trunk Dialling - "area code". Telephones used to have these metal disks on them called "dials" that you turned to "dial" a number.


Behave, next you'll be telling me the numbers had letters on them too!
Lindal Kidd
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04-24-2009 18:44
From: Marigold Devin
...So, if all the more specialised stuff gets shipped off to Ursula at least the majority of the users will be able to explore without fear of coming face to face with fetish stuff, and lets be right on this one, surely the fetishists would prefer to not have to hide themselves away in skyboxes as though they are just low life scum...


Marigold, I'm sorry you got startled by rezzing into something you didn't expect. Surely, though, that is one of the most interesting parts of "dot-hopping?" You never know what you are going to find. Dot-hoppers are (or ought to be) open-minded and adventurous explorers of the unknown. If you want predictability, use Search instead.

As for it only applying to "the more specialised stuff" (and thank you, that's a nice way of putting it)...have you read the official definitions? According to LL, skirts that are too short and necklines that are too low are "specialised stuff".
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04-24-2009 18:46
From: Ciaran Laval
Behave, next you'll be telling me the numbers had letters on them too!

And phones had cords.
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Akira Luminos
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Adult Content 'Conference'?
04-24-2009 18:51
Just found this while trawling:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/danielvoyager/3350351900/in/photostream/

11th March...

Anyone got a clue? I've not seen a reference to a 'conference' in the forums. Maybe I've missed it.
(check out Daniel's photostream for other LL events, Teen SL stuff etc.) - maybe someone there can clarify anything about it?


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Lindal Kidd
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04-24-2009 18:53
From: Tali Rosca
...In Blondin's defense, I'm beginning to get the vibe that he's advocating a little "civil disobedience", when his phrasing slips into "get away with" and "you can skirt it".


I haven't the slightest sympathy for Blondin. He is, in his official capacity as a representative of Linden Lab, actively encouraging us to lie and cheat.

Blondin, in case you had forgotten, lying and cheating are sins. Unlike sex, which is performed between consenting adults and harms no one, lying and cheating destroy the sinner's moral fiber and cause harm to others.

You have a very, very warped set of morals, sir. In attempting to stamp out one "sin" that you can't even define, you introduce...nay, encourage...the commission of more and worse sins.

You disgust me.
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