Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

If you mean the Public Nightly (PN) viewer then of course it's going to be buggy. It's meant for testers to give feedback on and to test cutting edge features with and is not meant to be used for general release use so of course it's going to be buggy. If you're treating it like a real viewer then you really are looking at it the wrong way not to mention making yourself look ignorant since you clearly didn't read the documentation for it.



Edit: Read into the purpose of the open source portal, it is meant for people who are interested in coding and the development of the viewer so if you're just going to use a project meant to help people in bettering the viewer to bash LL then you should really just do everyone a favor and either learn to read or just keep your idiotic comments to yourself.

And you know what? THEIR system works. They have even managed to sell adult content while flying under PayPal's radar, a rather remarkable feat considering how anal PayPal is about not letting their service be used to purchase adult content.

I agree with you totally and long may you continue to wave you knickers in the air

Seriously though even i get annoyed when people paint the whole of the USA with the same brush, in the same way it gets me when people think here in Holland we all smoke pot, have sex in the street and live in windmills and all wear clogs lol dam i wish i could afford to buy a dam windmill to live in

In summary (so far)

SL residents can buy mature things in mature stores and use these items in mature sims as long as these mature things are not advertised (think a private house)

If they choose to advertise, then this content is considered Adult and qualifies for Ursula.

But, they won't be allowed to move if they change a few words in search.

However, the modified search can still bring someone to the above place, and that someone will be within full rights to AR the owner for falsely advertising (or rather hiding) adult content.

Meanwhile, in the PG Land, Joe Annoying straps on a 4 prim phallus they created on a public sandbox using a free account as they are about to parade it in the PG area and grief the prospective Warner, Disney and Sony CIOs...

meh...

It's not so much a question of forced relocation as much as it is are you lucky enough to qualify for land swap. The majority of businesses with adult content will simply be forced to change their advertising leaving a wide open playing field to those who qualify for land swap or can afford access to Ursula or private estates rated adult.

If you have a business that relies on adult traffic...that's not the gulag, that's the jackpot

Dont hamme ron poor old Blondin too much they are after all on the lowest end of things and can only say what they are told to, its the ones in charge who really should come out here and say whats going on instead of letting somone else take all the flack.

It's not so much a question of forced relocation as much as it is are you lucky enough to qualify for land swap. The majority of businesses with adult content will simply be forced to change their advertising leaving a wide open playing field to those who qualify for land swap or can afford access to Ursula or private estates rated adult.

If you have a business that relies on adult traffic...that's not the gulag, that's the jackpot

The new PG standards have been revoked, we're back to the old standards, so it's like the new mature standards but you can't swear or women cant 'go topless.

This whole policy is an epic fail. Even Amazon aplogised for their mistake, LL are too stubborn but their stance is far worse than Amazon's, I have an apology from Amazon in my inbox.

Well, they are going to re-visit them, anyway- But if you'll notice, there have been a whole lot *more* howls about the adult content policy than about the PG standards, but no back peddling there, is there?

I wouldn't be surprised if they threw those PG standards out there as a bargaining chip- "If they bitch too much, we'll put the PG standards back- that way, we'll look reasonable, and we can say that we made concessions"

Just my two cents

-V-

STD - Subscriber Trunk Dialling - "area code". Telephones used to have these metal disks on them called "dials" that you turned to "dial" a number.

What if one was buying them for "Educational Purposes"?

I totally agree and that is why I have made the decission to just stop making any poseballs or furniture or animations that are sexual. People keep asking me why I have boxed them all up and put them out for free and it's because I KNOW that it will become an issue. People come in and they want to test them. And, anyway, I will have no way to advertise them without the keywords needed to do so. And it's just easier to write it off and work on making my store (that is located in a mature area) more PG friendly. Saves me a lot of heartache later.

Anyone wanting full permisson sex balls come and get them now. I doubt that I will even keep them out free for too much longer.

When people ask me why I am doing this I just say "Because Lindens have gone nuts"

Yes, people will be turned down. The reason is that the majority of people will not need to move. Many others would simply need to remove a word or two from their land info or search tags and they would be fine on Mature.

Folks, the time has come for me to leave this forum. I have deleted the bulk of my conversational posts, but I leave behind my articles to be locked when this thread is closed.

Blondin, I am sorry for all the grief you are getting, but, honestly, in your heart, I'm sure you have some sympathy for the loss we all feel as Second Life changes from an open and organic world, full of promise, hope and joy, to a large-scale corporate platform, regulated, sterilized and controlled.

I have tried throughout my time here to be balanced and sober in my posts. I have tried to write coherent, well-reasoned articles that would be helpful to Linden Lab. Equally, there are superb posts here from other people - insightful posts, intelligent and sophisticated posts. I now believe all that work was in vain.

I am sorry that Linden Lab does not have the genius to seek win-win solutions to problems. I am sorry to see the turmoil in this forum. I'm sorry to have witnessed the changes since 2007. The new people coming into SL will never know what existed before. Perhaps they are better off for it. For us, the old guard - particularly those who came before me - the residents who built Second Life - who made Linden Lab a successful company - well, I am sorry they must now be sacrificed. More poignantly, I'm sorry their spirit must be sacrificed - the spirit of freedom and responsibility that we all craved and could never find in RL.

As for these fora (plural of forum), I suppose some future issue will ignite my desire to contribute, but, to be honest, I believe Linden Lab has become complacent and arrogant in its success. You have first-mover advantage, but, one day, someone clever will cherry-pick the best of Second Life, avoid the mistakes and add new dimensions that will bring the virtual world industry to maturity. Until then, I shall limit my exposure to the vicissitudes of Linden Lab. I shall retire to my own private world and complete the novel for which Second Life has been the backbone of my research for the past three years.

"Good night, and good luck."

Wow, I don't remember seeing anything about an Adult Content conference either. I guess this must have been somewhat 'secret', attended only by involved Linden staff. Sure wish we could get hold of the chatlog of that meeting...!!!

On the 1.23 testing people testing the new viewer have been trying to drive that in for LL that the messages it gives when blocking a search for using "adult" words needs to specify what words have been blocked otherwise it's a total crap shoot, I honestly doubt LL will change it but they really should at least tell people what's being blocked.

((Pulls up a stool, sits down, takes a large leather bound book out of her backpack. The book looks old, very old and gives of an air of.. power. Thumbs thru the book a moment, finds the page she wants and smiles mischievously. Pulls her glasses down to the tip of her nose and looks to the assembled crowd *))

All right everyone, this is a story of abuse of power, lack of consideration and how some people have to be FORCED to see reality.

One upon a time, there was a Mobile Home Community that had been in existence for many, many years. Not a 'trailer park' where people come and go with the blowing of the winds, but a COMMUNITY. People rented their plots of land, paid monthly fees and made homes there. Some even made businesses out of their home, writing, painting.. creating. Many had been there for 10+ years and had made their little plots of land into a real home. Adding landscaping, gardening, turning bare pieces of land into THEIR lives, THEIR way. Retired people that had come there for a real home. These homes were not cheap either, double, even TRIPLE wide homes that would equal and even SURPASS normal homes in comfort and design.

All was good.. people were happy....

Then one day, the owners of the rented land got a bug up their arse and decided that they could make more money if they used the land to build overprices, cramped, only mediocre houses. Take the rental plots and wipe them to the ground and build new houses.

Only one problem. The people LIVING and WORKING there.

The owners didn't care "we're doing this and nothing you can do about it.."

"But we LIVE here, we WORK here, we've spend years and thousands and thousands of dollars to build our IDEAS, our IMAGINATIONS here" the residents cried.

"Tough tookies" the owners said "you can find other places.. see we have another park here.. way way way across the city, down there in the low part of town. No one is there yet, but you can start over there."

"NO!" the residents screamed "it's ridiculous for us to move, this place is full, gives you a good income from our rent! You've got EMPTY LAND OVER THERE, build the homes there!"

"Ridiculous or not, we're going to do it... you'll have 90 days to find a place to live and move your homes, you're welcome to move to our other park... if you can find room. And oh, you'll have to pay for moving yourselves."

"That's incredibly expensive and time consuming! If you're going to MAKE us move, then at least MOVE us!"

"Nope, your problem, we'll save a spot for you, but you'll have to packup, move, unpack, redo all your landscaping, new deposits, new utilities, new everything.. and it's outta your pocket... oh and if you are NOT moved in 90 days, we'll be locking this area down. You can't get in and we'll put all your stuff in storage until you can find a place to use it."

The residents looked at each other, looked at the owners and in a clear voice said "FRACK YOU!" **

So the residents sought out a barrister, who looked at their situation and say "This is not fair, not reasonable and not logical. I will help you." So the barrister sought out a wise and intelligent judge and got an injunction preventing the owners from carrying out this plan until some reason and sanity could be applied. After about 16 months of legal wrangling, the owners finally had to give in to an arbitrator...

And what did the arbitrator say? Well, that the owners DID have the right to reuse their land how ever they chose, HOWEVER they also did have the ABSOLUTE RESPONSIBILITY to the people that lived there to treat them with RESPECT and FAIRNESS. The arbitrator decided that -

- the owners had to bear ALL costs of relocating the residents, including their homes, their properties, even their landscaping and additions. Those represented work and money that the residents had put in to their HOMES and must be recognized. Deposits and costs for new utility hookups, electricity, water, sewage, etc.. must ALSO be covered, since the OWNERS were removing these people form their homes at the OWNERS decision, not the residents.

- for those RESIDENTS that had their business at their homes, the OWNERS had to make COMPENSATION for lost income, costs of re-advertising their business at the new locations.

- that he owners COULD NOT "shut down" and "lock people out" of their homes until EVERYONE was moved, and had to give them AMPLE TIME to do it.

In the end....

The RESIDENTS carried on, some left the area totally, disgusted with the situation, some went to other places to live and tried to rebuild their happy lives and some muddled on and tried to make a life.

The OWNERS? The cleared the land and then the housing bubble broke.. they ended up with 2/3 of the land barren and empty, 1/3 of it with houses, but only about 1/2 of those occupied because no one had the money to buy their over priced homes and the bad publicity during all the legal wrangling made people not want to buy there.. and lost more money than they could have made had they just built new homes in the new land.

Here ends the tale my friends... but the story goes on...

((closes book, puts it back in her backpack and smiles.. ))

* 100 bonus points to whoever reads the "Grimm Fairy Tales comics from Zenescope Entertainment and may have seen this coming.

** Sanitized for public consumption, no relation to "Battlestar Galactica" or any NBC/Universal property.

I am howling about the mature changes, personally. Those are the ones that will affect me.

I own PG land on the mainland, that's not really a huge issue for me, tho it has gotten more disneyfied, it seems. Not that they ever enforced it very well before, the PG sims are still smack up against mature ones, so I guess nerfing mature is how they are getting around that problem

shrug.

I have this to say.

If they screw up the mature estates, or try to make me move to an adult sim because I sell things like skin, I will sooner leave Second Life than allow them to force me out of Caledon to some adult continent that is nothing of the theme, community and environment I wish to live in.

Great! So, when these "Mature" animations stores are ARed, and are told to put away their "adult stuff, or move to Ursula", what will become of your response then? Are you going to be the one policing it? I mean, you suuuuurre do use a lot of "I thinks" and "My gut tells mes" for this to be a policy being delivered by an innocent messenger.

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