Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Who said it was just a story.. it really happened.

This is why the Aristotle thing is a waste of time unless it will become a money making thing later on for LL That is why everyone should use it and verify using true data as Aristotle requires but not necessarily their own as Aristotle does not require your own data to verify, just true data

It might come back and bite LL on the arse at a later date because it is an ill conceived system for here.

Ooooo icy gulags, now that sounds painful

If you select a form of ID you don't possess (e.g. driving license if you don't drive, passport if you don't travel etc.), and enter "Not possessed", "Not applicable" or some such in the box, the system has been known to accept that for verification. However, you will not have entered either false data or data not applicable to you, so you cannot be accused of entering false or misleading information.

Matthew

STD= Sexually Transmitted Disease

What does DTC mean then....HMMMMMMM???

I'm afraid I've lost track in the recent explosion on this thread. However, the new definitions also includes a revision to the PG definition which means that this policy is no longer just about "adult" content.

The new PG definition is radically more restrictive than the current one. The current PG definition indicates that it is similar to the MPAA definitions. However the new one explicitly bans alcohol, smoking and drug abuse. However, compare this to studies of G-rated movies. The following link is to a somewhat dated study but is still interesting and valid

http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/afilm.html

47% of films they randomly selected from 1937 and 2000 included alcohol, with Dumbo, Sleeping Beauty and Fantasia in the top five.

43% of films they randomly selected included smoking with 101 Dalmations and Alice in Wonderland in the top five.

An Alice in Wonderland themed sim would be an interesting case study, with the smoking caterpillar, symbolism of the potion and the mushroom, the violent duchess and queen, etc. it would not meet the stringent PG restriction of not including "any content that is suggestive of any (even mildly) sexual or violent themes, or references to social drug or alcohol usage." so again under LL's definitions Alice in Wonderland would automatically be "mature".

LL's new PG definition is far more restrictive than even MPAA's G rating (let alone their PG rating). As such I suspect there will be a significant amount of PG mainland owners whose activities whilst currently allowed on PG, will be deemed inappropriate for PG areas under the new definitions. What compensation (such as free swaps with mature land) will LL be offering to these people?

Matthew

Please, let's not go down this route. We will get to the "press button A or press button B" bit soon.

Aren't they??

Discipline, Thought, Control

Something LL Lack totally

Blondin posted somewhere here that the new PG definition will be reverted. There's some idle amusement to be had in speculating about what motivated the new definition in the first place, but probably we'll never know for sure. (I'm guessing a desperate attempt to find some excuse for anybody to continue owning sub-Adult "Mature" land, which looks a lot better if PG is made to look much worse.)

I know the feeling. I've been trying to separate chunks of my Mainland into "Adult" and "Mature" and it's going to be difficult to part with any of it. And I don't even have a Buddhist land baron neighbor (AFAIK).

I've mentioned elsewhere that this could be a big reason for the content segregation: to get LL's customers to tier-up. Now that one piece of Mature land can't serve both residential and adult-commercial purposes, the choice is to move everything to Adult land or to have both Adult and non-Adult addresses. And I don't know about anybody else, but for some of my Second Life, I feel compelled to have some prude-friendly place that doesn't require adult verification, as well as some place where anything goes. In the long run, that's going to mean more total land to have (an approximation of) the same utility.

Is it 21 or 18?

Anyone who wishes to retain their current ability to host an adult event advertised with adult keywords will *need* to move.

Anyone who is worried that the existing definitions are too vague, and that there seems to be no consensus or consistency within LL (or even the same Linden) as to what Adult means, and hence wants to move just so that they do not wish to worry, needs to move.

Any landlord who just doesn't want to worry about what his current or future tenants may do on the land (even if the current tenants are not currently doing anything adult), needs to move.

Anyone claiming that they intend to host an adult event someday, needs to move.

I'm sorry, turning down requests is just not an option if LL intends to do this properly and meet the obligations it was making in the first blog post on this policy change. If someone wishes to retain similar restrictions on use to those they currently have (for whatever reasons), then they have a legitimate need to move, and LL has a moral obligation (and blog posts effectively claiming a commitment to moral obligations) to move them.

I suppose everyone who wishes to move should quickly add an event ad for a public adult themed party!

Matthew

I tryed to search..... 300+ pages of post... you gotta miss something...

I don't belive in alts and all that...
but one thing of curiosity...

If I ever got a socalled "alt".... lets call the alt for "alt alterson"
and vertifyed "alt alterson"with the same RL info I gave my normal/main account.
would SL residents be able to know that Im allso "alt alterson"?

in a way I dont care, but Im shure some don't want others to know who theyr alt/alts are

please reply if you can, and send a IM with the answer...
I belive I will loose track of forums fast... I dont like forums
thanks

I'm glad about that - apart from the issues for PG land owners, it is also the case that profiles must conform to PG, including picks, and under the proposed PG definition it would be pretty hard to include any club or venue in picks!



The original posting of these definitions back in March were withdrawn for a number of reasons, one of which was the that the new definition of PG pushed a lot of currently permissable PG activities into mature. It is notable that the latest version did not do anything to address this, but instead added the additional explicit restrictions of alcohol and smoking (references and depictions of both can be found in many G rated movies, and childrens books, let alone PG rated material).

However, in the light that the PG definition is apparently not changing, can we revisit this question?



Under the new (and now claimed to be unintentional) definition of PG, all of the activities mentioned are indeed mature, and prohibited from PG areas. However, under the existing, original definition of PG, all of these (with the possible exception of nude beaches) would be permitted on PG land (depending on their explicitness and/or realism in the case of combat sims or lingerie shops) on the basis that they would be permitted in MPAA G and PG rated materials.

So, I'll rephrase the question: Are there any clear uncontroversial, unanimously agreed, examples of activities which are mature only, i.e. would not be deemed adult, but would also not be deemed PG under the current definition of PG within SL?

Matthew

In a nutshell, NO

HTH

this is a quote of a statement by meta linden. I haven't found the original post yet but I needed to share. paragraph 3 is a classic



edit: found the link.. https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=496050&highlight=#496050

Meta is also the one that clarified the xsl verification that I posted last night:
https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=496156&highlight=#496156

They seem pretty quiet on the forums - all these supporters.

Actually, I think Meta or LL is missing a particular nuance (possibly deliberately). There *is* a lot a support for LL's goals and objectives. There is, however, little support for their actual implementation.



I still don't know why LL is so prejudiced about Animation Overriders!

However, the change doesn't address the issue these potential users have. Most of the high visibility adult content is due to griefers around PG infohubs, and is due to lack of proper policing.

Few (if anyone) disagrees that the problem LL's has raised is not a valid one.
Few (if anyone) disagrees that the problem should be addressed, and most (if not everyone) supports the idea of LL addressing the problem.
However, few (if anyone) agree with or support the particular solution that LL is proposing.


What would be my proposed solution? Well:

Create new PG only and Mature only continents (or even PG, Mature and Adult continents if LL really need three classes). Use the moles to include cities on these new continents as well as having countryside (with different themes on different continents e.g. having both futuristic and historic themed PG and Mature continents).

Properly police PG regions as well as search.

Newcomers would start on PG regions and have a safe predictable experience unless they wished to move to Mature regions.

Leave the existing continents as is - designate these as the "wildlands" or some such. Land where PG and Mature is chaotically intermingled. Over time people will grativitate from these wildlands to the new continents. This could be speeded up by never auctioning off land abandoned to Governor Linden or even automatically buying up any land places for sale at or below the going/average land rate. When an entire sim is owned by Governor Linden replace it with an OpenSpace to free up resources. Eventually when an entire continent is owned by Governer Linden decide whether to keep it as a large OpenSpace for historic interest or just remove that continent from the map.

Matthew

Thanks so its the comment below from Meta Linden that probably is nearer the truth than what we are being told now:



Its like a FU now you have built SL we will go get "*these* silent potential users we are making this change." for in here while we shove you in a corner as we feel you are disposable now you have beta tested our world for us.



As an adult content provider i like the idea of an adult area but not the way LL are going about it, ah well just another LL corporate piece of bullshit.

Linden Lab are too full of spin. I could be cited as someone who supports the adult continent, but there's no way I support forced relocation or forced flagging of whole islands as adult for partial content.

Relocations should be voluntary and islands should have a parcel option as well as whole island option.

That gives users choice.

Pandering to people who aren't here and who aren't engaged in the economy here seems a bit of a strange move but LL proved on Openspaces that they are quite happy to bite the hand that feeds them.

Who is Meta Linden? This could explain some things.

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Meta_Linden
http://honeywendt.blogspot.com/2007/05/dear-linden-lab-is-this-what-you-call.html

I was a bit curious about the Linden who posted such things and I feel the community has a right to know.

I've just re-read Meta's comment, and this phrase suddenly struck me as nonsensical (I'd been distracted by the annoying continued use of AO to mean something different from its usual meaning in SL)



I could understand that adult content in PG spaces might be a blocking concern for them - but adult content in the areas specially designed to separate adult/mature content from "safe" content as a blocking concern?

I can quite imagine LL going back to these new organisations after building Ursula only to be told that the new highly publicised adult continent, and the high visibility of adult content in the adult continent was now a blocking concern for them.

Matthew

PG parcels neighbour mature parcels, I've been in that situation. I was told when I raised the issue with a Linden that it was a known issue and they were considering building a PG continent. However it would appear LL have decided to just make the public face of mature sims PG instead.



It's far more likely that these said organisations are going to complain about private goings on, when a neighbour has an adult party even if the naughty stuff goes on in a private skybox, guests running around the garden in skimpy clothing is going to lead to these same people complaining at which point LL will move the goalposts again.

Thank you posting this and informing us it gives an interesting perspective to things.

Is this the kind of Lindens we are dealing with here? This is total abuse of Linden Power by Meta Linden and her alt, and I'd like to know if this is the sort of thing that the Linden's condone? Is this the kind of behavior we can expect from the G-Team regarding AR's?

http://honeywendt.blogspot.com/2007/05/dear-linden-lab-is-this-what-you-call.html