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Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Ceejay Harvey
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04-24-2009 14:54
bugged and not working half the time yet at some point in the future we're expected to ..pay..for verification that dosn't work properly, and to a company with an iffy record of integrity
Maleena Tiraxibar
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Hummm
04-24-2009 14:59
Well they say 'no plans' to charge a fee for age verification but there 'may be' one in the future which means there will most certainly be a fee. Its funny how even in beta its broken.

I sense a money making scheme *sniff sniff* smells like a con to me :S
Karin Sweetwater
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censorship...which this of course is
04-24-2009 15:03
...is, and has always been, stupid, ineffective and hypocritical. I has been tried by every fascist power on earth and have always failed. Now the turn have come to SL...so sad, so very very sad. American moral values being imposed on the rest of the world. Sad, stupid, arrogant and narrow-minded.
Nicola Samiam
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04-24-2009 15:03
From: Maleena Tiraxibar
Ok my mina account is AGE verified and PIOF and I still cant get passed the age verification scanner, it still says not verified when i have been for ages. Humm I can only assume this BETA idea still leaves much to be desired. This is still a bad idea LL there are many better ways this could be handled with far better resaults, but what do we count eh? It's all already been done I guess so we are stuck with it.


Same happened here.
I age verified ages ago - LL seems to have lost all that information.
Try submitting a support ticket to ask about your verification - I did, and they said I wasn't verified. It took me 2 hours when the beta first came out to get it done. 120 minutes of wasted time kinda sticks in the memory!

I'm now also confused about the difference between age verified and account verified.
Brenda Connolly
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04-24-2009 15:04
From: Toy LaFollette
TY Meade and we do know what goes on in SL and simply avoid it to the best of our ability.


And it works pretty well, doesn't it? I've never met Toy,but I too have great affection for Marianne, and respect and admiration for the adult inside of her.I've found almost all the members of her community absolutely charming. But behind them all are mature adults who can think for themselves. They know what is what in SL, and where to stay away from. And if the accidently come across something inappropriate they know how to deal without....without some byzantine rating and segregation system. The urrent advertising and land use policies just need a litle tightening up, not a wholesale dismemberment. LL, you are grandstanding.That is obvious. What isn't obvious is WHO you are grandstanding for?
A handful of Nanny Staters* who can't make their own choices of where to go and what to see, or can't handle seeing something naughty accidentally? Who is this being done on behalf of?

*No pun intended
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04-24-2009 15:06
From: Thorn Witrial
There is tickle porn in the world. And tear porn. Don't ask me how I know, it's just too silly for words.


Well now you have said that you will have to spill the beans and tell us how you know :)
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04-24-2009 15:06
From: Deira Llanfair
Iterated??? Ok - I'll loop it. (You still won't _really_ be dead though.)
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04-24-2009 15:09
From: Carl Metropolitan
Luskwood are not the only people worried. I'm concerned about NCI's two PG campuses in Kuula and Hamnida. The recently proposed PG rules*, give me cause to worry that NCI officers and helpers will be subject to retaliatory ARs from ejected griefers for speech, actions, or content that would be entirely appropriate for prime time network TV in the US.

Is it possible for PG sims to be rezoned Mature if we can get buy-in by the residents of those sims?

I'm not trying to be rude here--but assurances of the "oh--we would never enforce these rules in such a silly way" type are meaningless. Nothing you or any other Linden tells us on this thread is material to the application of the rules by the G-team. They will be working off of what is written in the ToS, the Community Standards, and Knowledge Base articles they reference.

*("A Region may be designated PG so long as it does not advertise or make available any content that is suggestive of any (even mildly) sexual or violent themes, or references to social drug or alcohol usage.";)
https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6010


I think it was post 4508 Blondin said they were changing the PG back to what it was as this was not meant to have been like this as PG definitions.
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Cal Kondo
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04-24-2009 15:09
From: Blondin Linden
No, even with sexual content in your home, your region will still be mature.



It's all very cool that you are giving these interpretations to individuals. The problem is that no reasonable person could read the draft definitions for mature land and come up with the same judgments as you. I guess that's why you are answering so many.

Will the draft definitions for mature be modified to be in line with the interpretations you are making here?
Deira Llanfair
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04-24-2009 15:11
From: Sling Trebuchet
Oh I'm sure that religious depictions of that sort are definitely PG.

HOWEVER....

Make sure that you don't hand out - *or even mention* alter wine. That's Mature. (Unless LL really mean that the proposed new PG definition was slipped in by one of the SF office cleaners as a joke)


...and if you are Wiccan, don't mention "sky clad". That's Adult!
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Thorn Witrial
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04-24-2009 15:11
From: Lord Sullivan
Well now you have said that you will have to spill the beans and tell us how you know :)


*whisperwhisperwhisper*

In short, don't ever google 'crying' without other search terms grouped together.
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04-24-2009 15:13
From: Deira Llanfair
...and if you are Wiccan, don't mention "sky clad". That's Adult!
Not according to .
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Brenda Connolly
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04-24-2009 15:14
From: Karin Sweetwater
...is, and has always been, stupid, ineffective and hypocritical. I has been tried by every fascist power on earth and have always failed. Now the turn have come to SL...so sad, so very very sad. American moral values being imposed on the rest of the world. Sad, stupid, arrogant and narrow-minded.



Please stop painting all Americans with the Puritan brush, it's getting old. Despite what you see in the media, most mainstream Americans are not prudes. While perhaps not as open sexually as our European friends, we have a healthy, well adjusted attutude toward sex. Yes, we have the fundamentalists who do want to spy into our bedrooms but most average people here have a live and let live attitude on sex.There are apprpriate an inappropriate places for it. We find the ZOMG! attitude as ridiculous as you do.

The moralistic crusades are propogated mostly by pandering politicians, scandal mongering media, and corporate image consciousness. This is about American Corporate values more than anything else.And those values all center around one thing.
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04-24-2009 15:16
From: Lindal Kidd

And you know what? THEIR system works. They have even managed to sell adult content while flying under PayPal's radar, a rather remarkable feat considering how anal PayPal is about not letting their service be used to purchase adult content.

For gods' sake, LL just 8OUGHT these guys. You mean to tell me the company never looked as far as the guys in the office next door for solutions????



Paypal is not to bad on adult content as we sell RL adult stuff from our adult web shop and paypal are well aware of what we sell as we use them for payment and have done for the past 2 years. The only time they asked not to sell a particular item using paypal was for a vacuum bondage bed thingy other than that we have no problems with them :)
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Maleena Tiraxibar
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Hummm
04-24-2009 15:16
Still says im verified outside of game but not inside of game, AGE verified that is, I can only gues this beta thing is broken, Kind of annoying on finding out i was age verified all along to be told it dont see it. So more waiting and wondering 'will I be allowed to enjoy myself or will i be banished to disney land' I always knew walt disney had a evil streak. And I know its useless me sending a ticket as ive not got a permium membership, I was thinking about it till this came along now im not willing to give LL my custom, see its already having negative effects.
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04-24-2009 15:17
From: Brenda Connolly
The moralistic crusades are propogated mostly by pandering politicians, scandal mongering media, and corporate image consciousness. This is about American Corporate values more than anything else. And those values all center around one thing: The world's largest coffee pot is located in Davidson, Saskatchewan. It measures 24 Feet(7.3 Meters) tall, is made of sheet metal and could hold 150,000 8 ounce cups of coffee.
I'm sorry, that all ran together for me and I was all :eek: and then I was :p and then I was :D!
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Brenda Connolly
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04-24-2009 15:18
I believe Blondin said you have to wait for the next viewer to see the status displays be corrected.
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Nicola Samiam
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04-24-2009 15:21
From: Ceejay Harvey
bugged and not working half the time yet at some point in the future we're expected to ..pay..for verification that dosn't work properly, and to a company with an iffy record of integrity



From: Maleena Tiraxibar
Well they say 'no plans' to charge a fee for age verification but there 'may be' one in the future which means there will most certainly be a fee. Its funny how even in beta its broken.
I sense a money making scheme *sniff sniff* smells like a con to me :S


Perhaps why age verification seems to have been lost for (many?) people - They'll get it working, but with a fee, and expect us poor mugs who've already verified, but who are mysteriously not now verified, to pay for the priviledge of having our personal details hacked from their servers.

And still there's been no clarification as to the difference between "age" verification and "account" verification. How can a company that is going to start censoring/filtering by keywords ever hope to succeed in that, when they're so linguistically vague? There's gonna be boobs all over the place, aren't there?, and peeps who are morally outraged by door furniture are going to be suing LL for offending them when their searches keep returning hundred of knobs and knockers.
Drake1 Nightfire
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04-24-2009 15:23
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blondin Linden
Yes, people will be turned down. The reason is that the majority of people will not need to move. Many others would simply need to remove a word or two from their land info or search tags and they would be fine on Mature.



so.... we are now bieng told that if you can change YOUR land info and search tags you wont be given the opportunity to move......why should i change MY tags... F**k you.. im not changing a damn thing, why should i? as is i will have to move.. a word or two changed and im ok... screw it, i want to move. make me change it.
Deira Llanfair
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04-24-2009 15:25
From: Argent Stonecutter
Not according to .


Whew! That's a relief - well, it will soon be May Day.
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04-24-2009 15:25
From: Brenda Connolly
Please stop painting all Americans with the Puritan brush, it's getting old. Despite what you see in the media, most mainstream Americans are not prudes. While perhaps not as open sexually as our European friends, we have a healthy, well adjusted attutude toward sex. Yes, we have the fundamentalists who do want to spy into our bedrooms but most average people here have a live and let live attitude on sex.There are apprpriate an inappropriate places for it. We find the ZOMG! attitude as ridiculous as you do.

The moralistic crusades are propogated mostly by pandering politicians, scandal mongering media, and corporate image consciousness. This is about American Corporate values more than anything else.And those values all center around one thing.


I agree with you totally and long may you continue to wave you knickers in the air :P

Seriously though even i get annoyed when people paint the whole of the USA with the same brush, in the same way it gets me when people think here in Holland we all smoke pot, have sex in the street and live in windmills and all wear clogs lol dam i wish i could afford to buy a dam windmill to live in :)
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Maleena Tiraxibar
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Odd questions about nudity rules.
04-24-2009 15:25
What are the new nudity rules going to be like, I mean, if nudity is allowed in mature zones after the change well, will somone walking around with a dare I say it a happy chappy down below, be ARed and banished or is that perfectly on on mature places same with boobs etc.
Tammy Nowotny
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04-24-2009 15:28
From: Blondin Linden
Yes, people will be turned down. The reason is that the majority of people will not need to move. Many others would simply need to remove a word or two from their land info or search tags and they would be fine on Mature.



What if you have a build which is only incidentally adult (e.g., if it has a Strokerz Toys vendor, publcially accessible sex furniture, etc,) but you would PREFER to have a presence on the new Adult continent. Is there going to be much chance of having a request for a land swap turned down?
Lasher Oh
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Tsunami
04-24-2009 15:29
Dear Blondin and any other Lindens who are monitoring these posts. It should be clear to you by now that there is a swelling tsunami of resentment and frustration which is rapidly heading towards full blown anger.

The manner and methods with which you have introduced and handled this exercise is a text book case in 'how not to'

How not to - give anyone any information of any real worth

How not to - show a chink in the PR Spin and party line

How not to - show you are 'genuinely' listening to concerns and worries

How not to - demonstrate any kind of common sense

How not to - be considerate of your customers views and needs

To be honest I would rather you flex your commercial muscles and just tell us it's a business decision made from the top, rather than manufacture this pap about requests for 'predictive experience' - pull the other one - were not that naive!

What really sticks in my craw is this whole farce of a so called consultative process where you claim your listening to us. As far as the vast majority can see it's a done deal, signed and sealed - no consultation just stage managed FAQ gathering process so you know what main questions can be dealt with on an online help page and what might be more tricky issues to deal with.

But really guys from the underdogs point of view it's clear you don't give a fat rats (nawty word) what we think or feel - do you ? :-)
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04-24-2009 15:29
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The moralistic crusades are propogated mostly by pandering politicians, scandal mongering media, and corporate image consciousness. This is about American Corporate values more than anything else. And those values all center around one thing: The world's largest coffee pot is located in Davidson, Saskatchewan. It measures 24 Feet(7.3 Meters) tall,


Yup! Pure phallic it is.
The puritanical hypocrisy of it!
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