Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Dear Blondin and the other lurking Lindens.

Please understand that this is the precipice. Perhaps you had planned that there would be a lot of people resistant to this change, like there always is. Perhaps the planning was to make a few small concessions while pushing forward with the plan, and that this was no different than other unpopular decisions like the ones on openspaces, first land or gambling and banking.
Its not. This is going to tear the soul out of the grid. Its not about adult content anymore, its about listening to the community and giving them what they want and need.



Its not only that its no fun. Its a disaster! we have no benefits to this move, and yet we have to shoulder the expenses and do all the heavy lifting.

We have no help with this move and the only concession that anyone will admit to is that the transition time we are given will be judged on an individual basis...and that we wont have to pay double tier for a undisclosed amount of time.

Why the hell would we want this? What possible reason do we have for going along with this INSANE plan? There is NOTHING but problems and it cuts us off from our guests, our friends, our customers and our staff. Why should we trust Linden Labs now or in the future? Especially with all the BS PR speak that's been flying around.

No, just corporate bullshit. Pile upon steaming pile.

Catch, meet 22. I'm sure you'll be very happy together. Just don't talk about it or you'll be in trouble.

04-23-2009, 06:46 PM


04-24-2009, 05:26 PM


You'll act even more surprised on my follow-up question: Can this be policed?

We understand that people will want to test out products before they buy them. This is expected and reasonable on a mature region.

This is not as fanciful as it sounds. I have on my land a private "dungeon" containing BDSM equipement. I am a member of a group the charter of which says:
"We are a fun bunch of people who enjoy partying in each others house twice a week.
Our motto:
You called, we came, we f***ed your house..
Disclaimer:
Parties usually consist of foul language, rowdy behaviour and nudity!"

So when it's my turn again to host a party the group can be invited to my dungeon without fear of offending the new adult proposals? Somehow, I think not.

Nothing was stated about retracting the new definitions of Mature, which are much more like what we currently have for PG definitions. I am speaking specifically about the definitions listed on the definitions thread. That is why I'm asking, if the new definitions for PG are being retracted, then how does the new definitions of what is acceptable on mature mainland differ from the old definitions of PG? Specifically, what will be the major differences, and what would be the point of having PG mainland and Mature mainland definitions basically the same? To me, the new definitions for mature mainland look exactly like the current definitions of PG. Are sex beds allowed in private on PG land? I've seen plenty. Are fully nude skin vendors allowed on PG land? I've seen those as well.

Yes, people will be turned down. The reason is that the majority of people will not need to move. Many others would simply need to remove a word or two from their land info or search tags and they would be fine on Mature.

What if the words are ones they CAN'T remove from their search tags because they are the ones that describe their plot, the ones their customers use to find them? Why shouldn't they be entitled to move?

Exactly!

I *do* understand the distinction, Kalderi. Please re-read my post carefully. I was using this extreme example to point out the futility of trying to classify something as "pornographic" or "broadly offensive" based on a judgement of intent.

The Crucifixion is a symbol of hope, faith, and redemption. If I crucified a friend, it might very well be seen as torture/murder/pornography, and rightly so. But make no mistake: both crucifixions depict a scene of torture and murder, extreme violence at its worst. It's the intent that makes the difference.

And except in extreme cases like this one, it can be hard, or often impossible, to determine where the intent lies.

Yes. A reasonable person might be able to understand that.

However, the sort of person who demands "predictability" to a level that involves shipping sim-loads of content to an AO reservation would look at that and see one avatar giving another a blow-job.

If the whole traumatic AO move has been forced by demands for "predictability", then I don't understand how someone in LL having one concept of what is going on will be in the least helpful when the Predictocrat blows a fuse on seeing the blow-job being performed.

The whole thing on product-testing smell of vile hypocrisy. It depends on everyone adopting a convention in which they pretend that the obvious is unseen.

here's my current parcel description. which according to Blondin is adult.

so Blondin, this is a description of the types of things I sell and the tastes catered for..

*You* re-write it so I'm not going to get ARd. Go on, we'll all very interested to see what you come up with.

I assume something like this..

or

You owe me one Coca Cola Big Gulp, Missy!

Blondin, a lot of us don't WANT to be turned down, even those of us on Mature land who don't have anything beyond PG sitting there. We bought our land because Mature land provided the greatest level of freedom. We could do what we pleased with it. Now LL is changing that, telling us that what we really bought is PG land.

In other posts, you yourself have said that people who are on the borderline (wherever the heck that is this week) might be happier moving to Adult land, even if they do not have to.

I want what I paid for. If I had wanted PG land, I would have bought that. I paid extra, for the extra freedom. Thieves. Liars. Hypocrites.

Would that word happen to be FREEDOM? Or is it IMAGINATION?

No, we don't want people to be less descriptive, but often times, if they remove a word or two, then the ad won't be flagged as Adult.

This is what people have been saying for ages now as Aristotle as a 3rd Party verification service is total rubbish its not just the above fact but the fact that the information you give to Aristotle is true, it does not say it has to be your information, which frankly blows the whole thing out of the window as LL gets a token back to say this account is verified not to say with what they verified.

Its seriously flawed as a system for verification imho

fine. then re-write my parcel description for me.

At the moment I see no choice but to move. Mainly because I don't particularly want to miss the cattle truck because I think I'm safe yet as soon as it's gone i discover there's no way to fix my ad to keep me from adultsville.

If you give better guidance and keywords before you implement then you've got a very good chance of reducing those tens of thousands of support requests for a move down to the couple of thousand that you would expect for the 2-4%.

your choice of course.

These changes will come with the new viewer

I am actually cracking up reading all of this. Do these people (by these people I mean Lindens ) know anything about what they are getting into here? Did they ever hear of KISS (keep it simple stupid)? I am so angry about this but I can't wait to sit back and watch them squirm when push comes to shove and they try to get this move made.

There hasn't been one response from Blondin that hasn't been changed to a different response later and then back again.

They start out with a idea and then put it out to the public when they don't even know what the hell they are doing and they don't have answers to so many questions.

They will "require" that you move your adult area to a Ursula Sim but..... some people might get turned down if they just have to delete a couple of keywords from their ads. So this means that they can't advertise like they want.

SL has been my rl business for the last few years. I have done everything by the book and paid rl taxes as I am sure many others have. I went into this with an agreement and a TOS which I have followed. NOW LL wants to change things and I am one of the lucky ones that won't have my business effected too much by the changes. But.... what about the other people who have made a rl investment into their adult themed business's here and spent good money on mainland and spent years setting up their place and building their business to now just be lumped into a region with all of their compition right next door.

BAD BUSINESS TACTICS LL!

I think the "Lindens" have been living inside of their computers for too long and have no idea what kind of hell they are in for once they try and put this adult content thing into full effect.

As it stands now they can't handle all of the abuse reports and people who are caught doing age play and other illegal things are still fully functioning residents of SL. And now they THINK they can handle the abuse reports they are going to get from "someone is having sex in the lot next to me in my mature region" ? I doubt they will do anything about it.

I miss the good ole days of sl.

Hi,

will publishing your banned word list be a breach of TOS? If not, why not publish it yourself, if yes why do you think it would be effective? If your ad system notifies users of those words automatically it would be trivial to modify one of the alternative viewers (e.g. one of the Restrained Life things, as those have a higher rate of banned words probably), to automatically record all those words in close to no time.

So this is silly.

And another Adult/Mature/PG questions:
I usually play in a nice garden area, looks like a mix of caribbean with some greek temples inside, totally harmless. But close to all things there have hidden features to turn AVs into decorative BDSM statues..., sometimes naked, sometimes rubber clad, sometimes in jeans and T-Shirt. I could take a feather and tickle them, thats torture according to some definitions, so would i need to flag that Adult? How is having willing AVs act as decoration any more adult than having unwilling two dimensional souls decorate my place?

Hey, Blondin, I have a question for you:

How will LL handle "underage" ARs under the new system?

You had better say, "We will dismiss them out of hand if the resident has verified with either PIU, PIOF, or Aristotle."

Because any other answer will send the very clear message that Linden Lab doesn't trust their own verification system.

absolutely. Tickling *is* torture

No, even with sexual content in your home, your region will still be mature.



No



These things would not be considered adult.