Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Having see people on the previous version of this poseball set, I can't imagine anybody considering it to be non-sexual in nature, clothed or not.

It's in the Knowledge Base item 6010.

Right, let me get this straight. Rather than be explicit in the descriptions so that someone can be pretty sure what they are going to encounter should they teleport there, you want people to be less descriptive and use euphemisms and vaguer, more ambiguous language, so that people are more likely to be surprised by the content they encounter when they teleport there...

Matthew

Your Bran New ADULT Hub at Arapaima has NO NUDITY Signs Up All Over It!


Of course I won't AR anyone for being nude there.
How will linden staff handle Nudes there? And any resulting ARs etc?

Ok so mature is going to become more or less pg and PG is going to become G rated. Linden Lab's initial faq's that they hastily retreated from are still very much at the heart of this is you look at the faq's and draft definitions, like on Openspaces LL seem to be appearing to be trying to pull the wool over people's eyes.

Now I doubt the person writing these definitions or FAQ's is a fan of Oliver Cromwell's puritans or The Taleban (although if they ask males to grow beards and ban music on PG land that might be evidence) so we have to ask, what's this all about?

The only logical reason for going to such lengths and causing so much disruption is because the kids are coming, nothing else makes sense. Hiding mature content is making the mainland kiddy safe.

So there are no immediate plans to bring the kids here, which is obvious because right now it would be silly to bring kids here, but when LL get their way over these moves then yes, bringing the kids in is logistically easier. I mean the island issue exemplifies exactly why this is more about making mature PG, owners can't flag by parcel, adults could deal with a flagged parcel but kids will not and their parents will complain.

So stop beating around the bush LL and tell us when the kids are coming? How long after the cleanup do you envisage this to be a goer? Will it be six months, 12 months?

I wonder why, though. Haven't they noticed that prims go right through clothing layers? Shocking!!

Trying to apply Real World standards to a virtual world is sheer folly.

- Prim "members" cannot be hidden in the pants. Clothes are no barrier to sex.
- They can't even be hidden by making them transparent, since anyone can hit CTRL_ALT_T.
- There's no privacy "behind closed doors".
- Many "private homes" don't even HAVE walls, doors, or roofs. They're open air platforms or gardens.
- Intent determines a lot of what's "adult" and what's not. Is it art, or education, or porn? It depends on the context, the individual situation, and to a large degree on the chat that accompanies it.
- Geographic separation does not mean actual separation. Everywhere is a teleport away from everywhere else.
- "violence", no matter how gruesomely it's depicted, isn't really violence. Nobody is hurt, no one dies.

Blondin, why don't you and the whole Adult Project crew go help Jack's team that's getting rid of the traffic and land bots? THAT's a real improvement to SL. THIS is not.

Is it me or is that answer not related to the question?

Blondin reread the question!

Shhhh!! *whisper* They're trying for a more "predictable" experience for the residents, applying the renowned Linden consistency!

Oh, yes! THAT will make our SL experience more predictable, now won't it!

Hey, I came here expecting to find horses for sale...not guys riding naked, harnessed women!!!

I have been asking this since the beginning and have not yet received an answer.

This is actually more important than the current upheaval. Before they can let the kids in *everyone* who wants to access adult content will have to age verify. Mummy and Daddy will allow junior to put payment info on so that can no longer be a valid gateway to Ursula.

Looks to me if a resident want certain allowed in private and therefor not required to be flagged adult content in their private homes they will need to verify anyway so that can go shopping for it.

It seems the only way for them to be part of the audience.

Seems with every post of questions of "is my business considered adult" it always falls into the same follow up question. "Depends on how it is advertised in the public search." So what if I have my sex club on a private sims IF I don't advertise it at all using SL's search engine and advertising I do is mature words only then I am good to remain in mature land? Am I getting this right? Seems like it is all coming down to how its being advertised publicly to me. I don't have public poseballs of sex..they are in a rental room only. What happens when the room is rented I have no control over except to close it down completely.

If this is the case, how about uniting forces and build our own search engine outside of SL completely? Just an idea.. but I am tired so I could be grasping at dreams again!! but its sounding more and more like something is considered adult by how its worded in the dang search engine to me.

And what about Honeymoon resort type places where you are just renting a cottage for a weekend, or a hotel? Are these considered adult too?

I have to admit that this whole project is really sucking the virtual life out of me. Never before have I been so disapointed with LL or so disinterested in continuing to participate in SL.

/me really wishes LL would restate their goals for this project. What we're seeing come from this it just doesn't make sense compared to what you say you're trying to do. I really don't understand what's going on here.

I feel the same way -- I just don't want to play anymore.


Persephone

I got no idea how to still keep my mall traffick if i cant use search and classifided if i cant use the words on the items in search.
In my mall there are items classified as PG as mature as adult,i got over 100 rentors.
There are no way i can have my mall in 2 full regions a Mature and a Adult.
My rentors also use search and classified to get costumers in to there shops in my mall.

I am not shure if Linden understand how a mall works? I got shops that sell skirts and shoes and stuff that are PG.I got shops that sells skinns that are Mature, and i got shops that sells sex items that are adult.
If i only use PG/Mature search words i loose costumers for the Adult items and if i put in adult words i loose costumers for the PG/Mature items as thay dont got payment info on file.
A mall are a mix of diff class items, i can not understand how i can support a whole sim/mall if half of the shops moves out, there are to many malls in SL today as it is, i used 3 yares to build up my mall and Isle Of Lesbos are well known in SL, i got 6 islands there and 5 i pay for my self, i want to keep them all and the business to support the tiers i pay ,and i want to grow, but if this going in as only Adult in my mall i cant grow in the mall, if Linden Lab can find a good method to help me get more traffick in to my mall if i set ALL there as adult i can do it, but Linden Lab can not limit my way of marketing my business if thay dont give me some other and better tool.

*sigh* I guess I won't bother to finish my Fantasy erotic fae photo book. It's adult. I can't advertise it or I'll be forced out of my home. So I can't sell it, except on xstreet.

Weeks and weeks of work and location scouting and assembly and cost (for the ThinC book stuff). Not to mention the hundreds of lindens I've spent on image uploads.

dammit. e.e;

So bummed out.

No you'd have to be on a private sim that was flagged as adult.

Same here. I was on the cusp of getting back in in a more involved way, especially financially. It was exactly a year ago that I backed out, tiered down and even cancelled for a brief period over dissatisfaction. I was starting to login more regularly the past month or so. But this has really soured me once again, even moreso this go round. I'm taking a wait and see stance, but truthfully, I don't know if what SL is heading toward is what I want to spend my entertainment money on.

It's ironic somewhat.In a lot of ways I'm the type of person LL seems to want more of in SL. I am not a creator, business owner, or computer hobbyist. I'm just a regular person, who enjoys spending a few hours a week goofing off in SL, having fun, and enjoying the creativity of others. Even if I weren't interested in any type of sexulaized content, I would not like this change, because the atmosphere that allows the freedom to create that sexually explicit material also fosters so much non sexual creativity, edgy, innovative, fun. And that, I think will be seriously hampered by all this.

"Just when I thought I was in, they push me back out."

You dont get it? After they bought xstreet you (the mall owner) are the competition for them. They just want to eliminate you. Note that on xstreet you just need to click the box to see adult content, but in your mall people will need to do age verification. LL is the company as many others and their goal is to make money, you are a competition so they want to destroy you.

We should seriously consider boycotting xstreet until LL changes this nonsense adult policy.
We should also find out other ways to boycott. Only by some sort of boycott we can show our opinion.

It'll be even better when they bring the kids in.

"Mommy mommy! Look! Pony play!"

The two of you here are FAR from alone in those feelings, I ASSURE you.

I haven't logged on all this week. I'm currently rethinking my plans.

It wasn't the adfarming / extortion that did me in, but LL's own inept, incompetent stupidity, in the end.

Part of me actually cheers it on, because I know what magnitude of disaster it is going to be, and it opens the door that much wider for real competition.

Maybe it is time I stopped giving LL my support and throw it behind something more important and relevant. SL just isn't "it" anymore.

Hello all

I did not follow the whole thread, and the details going on here are, well, too time consuming as I prefer spending my time inside SL than outside in some forums. The issue though is something concerning us all. Owning myself a region since over 2 years and it has been used for private, residential rental, shop, and lately for an exclusive place with sexual content, I guess I am somehow even more affected than maybe others due to that, but in general, every single one in this life is.

An image problem of SL to pull eventual futur companies to invest into same SL is fully understandable on a business side view, but I wonder if that is still the SL I joined. Second Life *ponders about the words* hmmm does that not sound like... different from First Life?
What the hell is this all about? I thought this was something different. NOT FIRST LIFE, not all the rules and restrictions of First Life (and yes I know there are RL persons behind their keyboards *tired of those comments*). I thought this was a place to enjoy between adults, not only by age, but also by mind. People that want to relax in a new environment and apart of the restrictions from their other life. Acceptance of all kind of people, hell, people, there are furries, animals, beasts, vampires, demons in this world. *wonders if those will be next to fall through the grid*

The first word popping in my mind is GHETTO and tagging people. Hell, do humans never learn from their past? Didn't humankind have that often enough in it's history, and we all know where it lead to. During WWII the jews and all other different thinking people were lead into GHETTOS for their 'own good' and 'to protect them'. We all know what it ended up in. Do you really now want to tell me, I have to cope with similar narrow minded people that only try to explain to people what 'good' it is for them, to simply explain their more than discussable actions? Is that the point where we are in an environment that was meant for people to enjoy? Can a team of people not come up with better ideas than the crap I read here?

Let's just look at the options given. I want sex, I am pushed off, yes, that's the simple answer of it if you want to use poseballs and have any explicit sexual intercourse. (they may even control your IMs and you may on a later basis get an adult tag because of those) So, if now I like sex, but I am someone that enjoys it tender and passionate, but does not want any BDSM or any other festish. I will have to move to people that enjoy stuff I may not enjoy. Will you make a continent for BDSM, one for bestiality, one for sexual RP, maybe one for gays and another for lesbians, hmmmm so many more.... wow, we will have many continents.

Ok, the layout of mainland may not be the best. And yes, some people on mainland may be annoyed by some neighbor activities that they cannot influence. That is fully understandable and I respect that. LL has to find a solution for that, BUT, that's not what this whole issue is about. Sorry LL, but you cannot tell us after not caring for those people for years, that NOW you do. The idea behind it, is just a business one, plain and simple. I do understand you want to make money, that's only normal. BUT there has to be another solution than create a GHETTO FOR THE SAKE OF SOME PEOPLE. That really should not and cannot be it!!
If you are not able to create a diversified life inside your created Second Life and need to get back on solutions like that, then YOU FAILED! Plain and simple. You try to dump your failure of organizing your mainland better earlier now on the residents. That is wrong.

No sain human wants to live in such a world if she/he is true to themselves. Or, people out there, do you want to live in a Second Life that hates you, because you have an opinion, preference or fetish that is different from others? Do not already too many people have to struggle with that in their RL?

BTW, of those 2-4% (laughable), how many are paying residents? Close to 100%? *ponders*

You already dumped your residents when you overflowed the land market, making the prices drop and leaving behind all those poor residents that bought at high prices back then. You did not give a second thought, you just did it and did not care. A lot of people lost money due to your decisions and you did not give a damn. In some way it was a similar situation. You tell people you listen to them, but in the end, you do not, you do not even give clear answers to people. I know it would be almost unlikely to happen, but if all those people did stand together and sue you. Are you sure you would head out as a winner? I would not bet on that if I were you.

Why are there no representatives of the paying residents or all residents in SL that have a word to say in decisions? I do not really like the idea, because it will again be too similar to the other life. But heck, is that the only option to have somewhat proper decisions?

Do you feel it, that people start to get sick of it? People that invest not only money into it, but time and creativity to make this SL a fun place to live in, a beautiful place to live in. What is the purpose of an SL that starts to become for some people RL even if they do not want, just because all the constant issues that make them mad or sad with the decisions of LL. Do you really have a clue that without all the residents that make SL alive, your companies you want to pull into SL will just not be interested in SL? It's already hard enough for the clubs in SL to keep the customers entertained as it is, do you want to scare them all off. They work hard to make a place a running club, a half-way working business. You just want to kick them and all their hard work?

My suggestion, take a week off, sit back, think about what you are doing here, and CHANGE YOUR MIND ON IT!

With all due respect to everyone
Eve and yes *I* am adult content

That is a joke I hope...That wall is no way in an ADULT sims. OMG, SL has lost it. They give us a new Adult sims, and already rules on nudity. LOL... I am really laughing badly. This only gets worse daily!!

QUOTED FOR F***ing TRUTH.