Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions
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Blondin Linden
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04-24-2009 07:51
From: Couldbe Yue is account verification via a purchase on xsl
1. bringing money into xsl via paypal 2. bringing money into xsl via paypal *and* making a purchase 3. bringing money into xsl via paypal and transferring it to the sl account
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4. transferring money from sl to xsl and buying something.
edited to add: for either 1 or 3, what is the minimum $L price for the transaction to register verification? If you have used Xstreet in the past, then you are good to go. I don't think you need to bring any money into Xstreet or SL for that matter. As long as there's a credit card or payment history on file, you'll be all set.
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Blondin Linden
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04-24-2009 07:55
From: Carl Temin Greetings
I am not happy. I run an animation business connected to a large market. Dis assembling and moving my business would be a good deal of hard work, take a lot of time and time is money. My region is Mature, the other businesses on my region are mature ( sex industry mainly ). I don't want anything to do with this moving at all. As far as I am concerned the prudish minority should be given their own 'continent' and the majority should be left in peace. That's the first thing. The second thing is that....why do we physically have to move at all. LL should just be able to move the region server over to this mystical new continent. Where is it by the way?
If all you sell are animations, then you'll be fine staying on a mature region. Ask yourself - how do you advertise? What key words do you use and do you rely on specific words to target a specific market?
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Meade Paravane
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04-24-2009 07:57
From: Brenda Connolly I have to admit, if a true poll were taken and asked how many people want absolutely no possibilty of adult activity or content in the SL, THAT would be your 2-4%. I think a very large majority would wonder why they were being asked about it. I'd predict a lot of "why are you bothering me with this instead of dealing with real issues?" responses. And, since it's come up again in posts above, consider me another vote for making a new PG (or G) continent. A new adults-only continent is fine too but please stop this plan to screw up the existing mainland. The answer we got to this idea, a simple "that's not part of our plan" is, frankly, absolute crap. Having a PG-only continent is an excellent solution to the problem LL says they're trying to fix. Far better than the current plan.
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Couldbe Yue
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04-24-2009 07:58
From: Blondin Linden If you have used Xstreet in the past, then you are good to go. I don't think you need to bring any money into Xstreet or SL for that matter. As long as there's a credit card or payment history on file, you'll be all set. define what you mean by payment history. does this mean I can just transfer money to my alts, get them to buy something and they're verified?
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Qie Niangao
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04-24-2009 07:59
From: Blondin Linden If you have used Xstreet in the past, then you are good to go. I don't think you need to bring any money into Xstreet or SL for that matter. As long as there's a credit card or payment history on file, you'll be all set. Note that example 4, "transferring money from sl to xsl and buying something" would not necessarily put a credit card nor payment history on file with XstreetSL (would it?)... so that may be a class of XstreetSL accounts that shouldn't qualify the account holder for Adult. (Or is that not even possible?)
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Meade Paravane
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04-24-2009 08:01
From: Blondin Linden If all you sell are animations, then you'll be fine staying on a mature region. Ask yourself - how do you advertise? What key words do you use and do you rely on specific words to target a specific market? Been to Bits & Bobs lately, Blondin? Check out the upstairs. It's a nice store, widely known as one of the best animation shops in SL, but you can't expect them to be able to sell adult anims without having a few out for people to try. Same with Abranimations (and probably others).. They're going to have to turn on 'verification', aren't they?
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Meade Paravane
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04-24-2009 08:05
From: Couldbe Yue so, 3982 mainland mature and 1421 pg... I would say this demonstrates just how little demand there has been for pg land up until now. Obviously, demand for PG has been low because they're still too racy for most people. This is why LL is moving to more strict rules for PG regions.
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Kalderi Tomsen
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04-24-2009 08:05
From: Shockwave Yareach Ban on nipples. Ban on drinking, even though this isn't real. Ban on smoking, even though this isn't real. Ban on shooting and "killing" even though this isn't real. Ban on blood, even though it still isn't real. Ban on speaking about sex, drugs, alcohol. Just what kind of American ARE you? Shockwave, where on earth do you get the idea that these items are banned from SL? Heck they're not even banned from Mature mainland.
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Brenda Connolly
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04-24-2009 08:06
From: Meade Paravane I think a very large majority would wonder why they were being asked about it. I'd predict a lot of "why are you bothering me with this instead of dealing with real issues?" responses.
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Ian Nider
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04-24-2009 08:06
What is the criteria for being approved for a land swap? Will some people be turned down, or can anyone (land owner) who wants to go to Ursula go?
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Meade Paravane
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04-24-2009 08:06
From: Kalderi Tomsen Shockwave, where on earth do you get the idea that these items are banned from SL? Heck they're not even banned from Mature mainland. I think he's talking about PG regions. Burkha's-only is the new rule on them..
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Thorn Witrial
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04-24-2009 08:08
From: Meade Paravane Been to Bits & Bobs lately, Blondin?
Check out the upstairs. It's a nice store, widely known as one of the best animation shops in SL, but you can't expect them to be able to sell adult anims without having a few out for people to try. Same with Abranimations (and probably others)..
They're going to have to turn on 'verification', aren't they? I would think so, and that's a dang shame. BnB is one of the classiest, most useful, elegant businesses on SL in my opinion. They cover the spectrum of life for the most part - from sitting around, to swimming, to weddings, to dancing (amazing dances, those) to romance and beautiful lovemaking. They don't cover the spicier side of sex, sure, but lots of other people do. However, there is no way I'd buy and animation without trying it. I tested out LoveScene II in the store with my partner. We were enchanted by it and bought it. While we were there, we attracted a small, respectful crowd of other people who wanted to see what the balls did. We kept our clothes on, and people said lovely things about the beauty and healthy eroticism the BnB creators had managed to capture in their work. It was a completely enjoyable shopping experience. Under the new rules, this will not happen and you will be gutting part of what makes SL the brilliant experience it has been.
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Arizona Davies
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Land Options
04-24-2009 08:08
I know that I have asked before, and maybe it was answered in the 299 pages and over 4400 enteries and if someone could direct me to the information thank you.
I, as others here have stated, have looked long and hard to find good location on the mainland. I have over 1/2 a region that is protected on two sides with Linden water. If I need to move because we do at times have adult events (Topless Thursdays) how will I be able to get like type land if I move to the adult area? Can I keep some of my current land and give up a portion of it for the adult area?
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Lindal Kidd
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04-24-2009 08:10
From: Lord Sullivan ...what i am starting to see is a gradual growth of the guidelines as to what is adult and more and more people are going to get caught in this mess, it is spreading already to PG and i truly wonder what LL's long term plans are in all of this, but they won't tell us because i am sure if we knew the long term plans a lot more of us would cut back now and they would lose more monthly revenues than perhaps they have forecast. We will have to see I'm not waiting. I'm already cutting back. Brenda is cutting back. Ceera's not bringing her new BDSM equipment to market. Those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Blondin, these changes are already starting to affect SL and the way people work, play, create and spend here. If LL thinks that this will all just "blow over", you're all sniffing glue. Oops, sorry, that's "illicit drugs", isn't it? - From what I can see, Ursula is way too small, and its ambiance sucks. - The official definitions and what you say here in the forums don't match up. - The new policy still has not been publicized to the residents at large - LL has categorically stated that land speculation will continue to be permitted (Hey, how come THAT kind of rape is OK, and the other kind isn't, huh?) - This whole thing constitutes a bait-n-switch of enormous proportions. This is not the SL we signed up for. REMINDER TO EVERYONE: Please join the group *I* Am Adult Content. I re-posted the big "Scarlet Letter" objects, look for it in Group Notices. Put a big "A" over your parcel. Show the world that you're an Adult and damn proud of it.
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Ryanna Enfield
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04-24-2009 08:10
From: Blondin Linden If you have used Xstreet in the past, then you are good to go. I don't think you need to bring any money into Xstreet or SL for that matter. As long as there's a credit card or payment history on file, you'll be all set. What about people who are NPIOF and have earned money in world and then took that money and transfered some into Xstreet to make a purchase? Doesn't that mean that not everyone who has used Xstreet will qualify as verified and simply that it comes back down to you need to have supplied a credit card, paypal, or Aristotle Age-Verification? I think some people are thinking they can simply transfer their Lindens made in world into Xstreet and make a small purchase and that would count.
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Shockwave Yareach
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04-24-2009 08:16
From: Meade Paravane I think he's talking about PG regions. Burkha's-only is the new rule on them.. I am using as an example, the sim called Lusk. It is one of the First sims in Second Life. It's well known and well used, and the users and owners go out of their way to create an inviting, fun environment that's perfectly clean. But these folks who have now paid 11700 in tier for that one sim alone (they also have other neighboring sims) will have to close it down. Heck EVERY PG sim will have to close down, because there's no way to keep two people from saying the words Beer, Sex, Titicaca (a lake in Bolivia), or Grass. Banning speech anywhere in SL is a very very bad thing. What speech is and is not permitted should be up to the landowner, not Mark Linden or any of his appointed Oral Morals Squad.
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GreenKnight Kaul
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04-24-2009 08:19
From: Blondin Linden That is correct
Selling adult content does not automatically flag the store as adult. Look at the key words and how you advertise it. A lot of people will be able to skirt this whole issue by changing a few words in their descriptions. 1) I have publicly accessible sex. 2) I advertise my land, cabin, motel/skybox rentals on my land. The rentals come with sex furniture. The tenants can of course change out for what they prefer or i supply them with a variety of items i've purchased. 3) I have a couple complex sky box builds for people to play around sexually in a open atmosphere. Guess this would be a sex club. As long as I only advertise the property and the rentals, and don't mention the sex areas, I will not be subject to an Abuse Report? Is this just a matter of advertising or what is actually present? Is my property Adult?
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Brenda Connolly
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04-24-2009 08:19
From: Meade Paravane I think he's talking about PG regions. Burkha's-only is the new rule on them.. 
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Thorn Witrial
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04-24-2009 08:20
From: Shockwave Yareach I am using as an example, the sim called Lusk. It is one of the First sims in Second Life. It's well known and well used, and the users and owners go out of their way to create an inviting, fun environment that's perfectly clean.
But these folks who have now paid 11700 in tier for that one sim alone (they also have other neighboring sims) will have to close it down. Heck EVERY PG sim will have to close down, because there's no way to keep two people from saying the words Beer, Sex, Titicaca (a lake in Bolivia), or Grass. Banning speech anywhere in SL is a very very bad thing. What speech is and is not permitted should be up to the landowner, not Mark Linden or any of his appointed Oral Morals Squad. Can you link to where there is discussion about this sort of specific word censoring? I seem to have missed it as I'm quite dizzy and tired and worried from all that I *have* read. e.e;
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Anabella Spark
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04-24-2009 08:31
From: Blondin Linden If all you sell are animations, then you'll be fine staying on a mature region. Ask yourself - how do you advertise? What key words do you use and do you rely on specific words to target a specific market? I can't stand this nonsense anymore! People sell adult items and you tell them they are fine as long as they dont advertise them as adult? Are you really serious? How about you advertise SL without using keywords related to 3D worlds. People! Stand up against this nonsense! Few post before one sim owner who pays US$300 per month is being asked how many sex balls he has on his sim! WTF is that! Leave us ALONE!
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Anabella Spark
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04-24-2009 08:34
From: Blondin Linden If all you sell are animations, then you'll be fine staying on a mature region. Ask yourself - how do you advertise? What key words do you use and do you rely on specific words to target a specific market? I can't stand this nonsense anymore! People sell adult items and you tell them they are fine as long as they dont advertise them as adult? Are you really serious? How about you advertise SL without using keywords related to 3D worlds. Quote: Originally Posted by Paisley Dawes A partner and I are in the process of building a private region, and on that sim, in a skybox, we would like to have an area of a more adult nature. This space would not be advertised in any way, and would be for the sole use of our residents and close friends. A place to go, hang out and...whatever. What rating would that fall under??? From: Blondin Linden Is the purpose of the skybox to act as a sex club? Can you explain what you mean by 'a more adult nature'? the purpose is that he pays US$300 per month for his private region! So it's his own business what he keeps there! And the nature of his content is NOT OF YOUR BUSINESS! People! Stand up against this nonsense! What?!? You gonna ask how many sex balls he has?!? WTF is that! Leave us ALONE!
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Lindal Kidd
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04-24-2009 08:37
From: Thorn Witrial Can you link to where there is discussion about this sort of specific word censoring? I seem to have missed it as I'm quite dizzy and tired and worried from all that I *have* read. e.e; I don't think even LL has been silly enough to consider censoring speech...that's just residents pointing out what should be painfully obvious: Most sexual behavior in SL occurs in chat or IM, via emotes. Even if every sex bed and poseball disappeared today, it would still go on. And, if conducted in open chat, could still be overheard, and could still cause offense. So, guess what, Blondin? Your ghetto walls have some mighty big holes in them. Go ahead, banish all the adults to the ice fields of Ursula. Round up the poseballs. Make it illegal to haul any of that nasty stuff out of one's inventory. It won't do you a bit of good in the end, because people still talk. In voice, in text chat, in IM. You'll cripple everyone's Second Life experience, lose thousands of loyal customers, bankrupt thousands of thriving little micro-businesses...and the sex and violence will STILL be there. As long as SL remains a platform on which human beings can communicate with each other, it will still be there. You can't change human nature.
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Sapphire Hissop
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04-24-2009 08:40
From: Thorn Witrial Every strip club I have seen has people eventually naked and emoting explicitly what they are doing to their own bodies or to the bodies of their customers.
For example: Stripper smiles suggestively as her fingers dip in pleasuring her...making her shiver as she stares hotly at Big Tipper.
And that's mild, imo.
Personally, I don't have any problem with anything people say, but know a lot of people do, or we wouldn't be in this mess. I have been reading lately and trying hard not to respond...but this one is one needing a response. I have read many of Thorn's posting on XStreet and really value what he says. And yes I understand many strippers emote like the example above. I am also a stripper and work at a BDSM club. I also hostess there. I am flirty, playful, I tease and joke with my customers. I will go over and give them a kiss on the cheek, neck, someplace PG while I hand them a piece of clothing. I never, ever, ever emote like the example above. I am not saying that it is bad. Just that it is so not me. Yes, I take off my clothing and yes I let the patrons ogle my nude form. I do not let them touch me, I do not touch them other than a hug or kiss, (although if I know them really well I might grope their butt)  and I do not offer them anything other than the opportunity to ogle my nude tattooed body. And since I have spent a lot of time on my avatar the body I am told is rather nice to look at. I do not feel that I should have to be ashamed of my choice to be a stripper. I do not feel that I or others like me should be looked down upon because of our choices. Anyone in SL has a choice too. It's called walking away and leaving a situation that offends you. Self censor. It's what I do. I am an adult and wish to be treated as one. I believe I can strip and still be a lady and act like one. And yes, I make nice tips in case you were wondering. I am not saying that those who emote like the above example shouldn't - it is just not something I am comfortable with. I rather enjoy watching other dancers emoting that way because I could possibly learn something really good  They shouldn't be made to feel ashamed either. Be adults - live and let live. To each his own. Etc, etc, etc. And if you don't want to see mature or adult content then quit going to places that offer it. Don't go to a strip club then say you are offended because you saw my naked avatar. Get over it and go somewhere that doesn't offend you. Quit looking for reasons to complain or tell everyone how offended you are. Find a nice PG sim and leave the ones who want to experience everything SL has to offer to do so. And just for the record...I am checking all my landmarks of places I buy from and will have to think long and hard about continuing to shop there if they are on a PG sim. I really don't want to be ARed because someone doesn't like my tats or my clothing. And I will say some of the PG sims are absolutely gorgeous but I don't want my account suspended because I don't look PG enough for someone's happiness or comfort. I am going to be doing a lot more shopping on XStreet  This is supposed to be our world, our imagination. Let us experience that and let those who don't want to experience adult content control their own experience by letting them opt out of mature or adult content. Simple and easy. Don't segregate the adult content, don't segregate the PG content. Just make it so people have to choose. Then if they choose mature or adult they have no reason to complain about anything they see. They made the choice to see it. Period, end of sentence. And if they are offended by what they see then find a place that doesn't offend them. Quit making those who like adult content lepers. But quit making those who like PG content lepers too. To each his own... Rant over  *I* Am Adult Content...Still... Sapphire Hissop
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04-24-2009 08:52
From: Qie Niangao Note that example 4, "transferring money from sl to xsl and buying something" would not necessarily put a credit card nor payment history on file with XstreetSL (would it?)... so that may be a class of XstreetSL accounts that shouldn't qualify the account holder for Adult. (Or is that not even possible?) All the money I've spent on XStreet is money I've earned on XStreet. I haven't even transferred money there.
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04-24-2009 08:54
From: Thorn Witrial We kept our clothes on, and people said lovely things about the beauty and healthy eroticism the BnB creators had managed to capture in their work. It was a completely enjoyable shopping experience.
According to previous comments by Blondin, that's OK as long as you're clothed.
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