Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Well, then, it can be a "very little continent" then, can't it? and that sort of proves the point that it will disrupt a *lot* fewer people and do less damage to the fabric of SL!

Besides, it's only fair- They built an all-mature Nautilus. It's the PG's *turn* to have their own place.

-V-

...if there will be an obligation to be extreme and violent all day 24/7 on Ursula?

Not that one sensitive soul like me, while rezzing a rosegarden, will then be forced by a G-Team to move my abcd back to Mature or PG.

I could be extreme and violent around the clock in handling one of the two M. Linden bears I have, but maybe I want to make some relaxing pauses in my rosegarden between the different treatments.

Yes, there will be roving bands of deviants looking to AR people who aren't engaging in vile acts of animated debauchery. "Look here you. You put on this dildo right now, and when I come back you best be using it, or it's off to HappySim with you. "

Considering how low the prices are for PG land now (in that its hard to even give it away...) you could have a whole Kew Gardens or Yellowstone Park just a tp away....just no canoodling on the picnic rug. Plus a rose garden will be an expensive waste of good sex space unless planned for bdsm thorn play.

They are going to need some place to put their advertising.

Since this quote is a reply to a comment on *my* post, I have to ask - did you even *read* my post? We are a *private* estate. Moving to Ursula isn't even a concern for us. All we want is to continue as we have been going without all these stupid hoops to jump through to keep things *the way our renters like them*. It's not *about* anxiously "avoiding" anyone with adult content. We have nothing against adult content, and I never said we did. We just choose to run our sim under certain regulations to make it a welcoming place for *everyone*. This includes, but is not limited to: child avatars, furries, Goreans, Non-Goreans, Sluts, Prudes, Religious, Non-Religious.... are you getting the picture here? Just because we understand and accept that not everyone wants to see sex in the streets doesn't mean we are against sexual expression.

But my post wasn't about that. It was about the way my Boss chooses to implement rules on our sims, and whether or not we could continue in the manner we have enforced from *the sims inception*. (We are not Disney-fiying anything to please LL - we have *always* run the sims this way.) My concern is *that*, and nothing more. But some people here on the forum seem to think that if one chooses to have *any* rules about what is/is not allowed sexually on a sim then that = prude and pro-Disneyesque. It doesn't. We are just aiming not to have a damned free-for-all. We *don't* want to be an Adult sim, but not because of the sex componant. We don't want to be an Adult sim because that *excludes* certain people. And we don't want the headaches and arguements that will result from having an adult rating when we have very particular rules about where those activities can take place in our sims. What would *you* expect if you TPed into an Adult region? I doubt you would want to be told "Sure, you can have sex here, but only in these areas of the sim. Anywhere else will get you banned." Wouldn't you feel we had misrepresented our sims, and that we shouldn't have an Adult rating if we are going to have restrictions? Wouldn't you be *angry*? I would be. We don't want an Adult ranking so we can avoid those headaches. So we don't have to explain "Listen - these are the rules we've always had. LL just forced us by virtue of allowing sex at all to be an Adult region. But we don't plan on changing the rules to accomodate an exclusively Adult clientel."

Can I be clearer? Or do some people still not understand what I was concerned about? For the record: my *personal* opinion is that anyone should be able to do whatever they want with land they purchased - be it open a church, or a bordello. And if you don't like where you ended up TPing to - leave. Sex should *not* be the bloody issue LL is making it into. But my post wasn't about *my* personal opinion, it was about how my Boss asks us to run his sims. So the rules on our sims that I quoted in my original post do not reflect my personal thoughts on the matter of sex or what rules *I'd* make. Only the rules I have to enforce in my job. On my *own* land, I'd let you f*** like bunnies, and completely ignore you or boot you if it got in my way. Pardon the rant, but I found it more than slightly *gasp* offensive that you decided you'd assume my personal opinion based on the rules I enforce in my job.

Or that our sims in general have anything against people interested in adult activity. We don't. You just can't do it in the *street* in ROMA. Take it to your house, or if you don't rent with us, to a private room we provide for visitors. Why is asking that it be kept off the public street such a bad thing to some of you people? Even if you think anything should go on *your* sims, why should everyone else lockstep with *that* idea either? It's the same extreme as LL trying to make (it seems) even simple nudity a violation. And the fact remains, in *my* case - I don't make the rules on our sims, I just enforce them. I don't have to agree with my Boss' policies 100%, but I certainly respect his right to impose any rules he chooses on *his* property. And I respect the right for others, on *their* property, to having their own rules - or no rules at all.

Oh, they're getting their own place. Places.

Heterocera
Sansara
Jeogeot

They will get their own place. Eight virtual continents worth.

Personally, I can say that *my* balls are policed at all times, and that I'm always prepared for a nipple (or even two!) to be exposed at them!

Sorry- had to do it.

-V-

I have sent a photo to some of the people on this forum. It was given to me by someone else in the hope that it could become an iconic protest picture in peoples' profiles. I think we could create a viral marketing campaign whereby people put the photo in their profile picks with their own statement beneath it. The common element across the grid would be the photo. If enough people passed the photo onto friends, it could become iconic, like pink or blue ribbons or the yellow/red shirts in Thailand

Why?

We've been telling them, over and over and over, about all the holes in this plan and they just ignore it.. Well over 10,000 posts here and what has changed?

Oh, you're married.

*chuckles*

Now, wouldn't that be a switch!

That actually sounds like a good event for a private pornotopia sim; I think it would be therapeutic for people to get over their socially-inbred prudishness.

With 156 votes on my poll it now has an error of +-8%, and 44.6% have voted their land as adult.

Yes, I'm sure some of them would be.

Well call me over optimistic but i had hoped for some semblance of knowledge and authority not throwing balls up in the air and seeing if they landed still attached..

Plus all these posts from the minority that know about this....

Well, it's the thought that counts, I suppose

-V-

http://www.geek.com/articles/news/taser-sues-linden-labs-over-second-life-virtual-tasers-20090423/

This I believe is the entire reason for the adult move bull****! Taser is suing LL's not because it's name and product were used in SL, but because the object was in an "adult" store. If any Linden wants to comment on this more then likely being the reason we would all love to hear it I'm sure. But the garbled mumbo jumbo and double speak is tiresome at best. Since I know I won't get a parcel just like my own in the adult content I'll just make a demo product that'll kill itself after a couple uses and then let people buy from Xstreet or something. Really, I'm going back to the animation business with other sites that I worked with so people can buy animations from there.

Other then that... This whole thing with the "adult" land and censoring... Well...

1. It's going to affect merchants... And I don't see it affecting anyone in a good way. It's going to force people to compete harder with one another.

2. No one is going to get as nice a parcel as they had. Sorry... It's the facts. Everyone knows there will be favoritism given to friends of the people in charge and whatnot.

3. Moving the adult stuff to the adult land is NOT going to stop the lawsuits. I see it as wishful thinking that corporate people won't be visiting these stores or getting adult verified. If someone from another company is looking for their IP being used... They're going to search for it.

Anyhow, I don't see this being a good thing. LL's listened when people went insane over the Open Space pricing... THIS ISN'T EVEN ABOUT PRICING!!! This is about LL's trying to cover thier butts because the lawsuits are filtering in.

Well... Then start looking over the textures, and stuff that people are uploading. Look for brand names that people are using. Instead of just having people sitting around doing nothing but chatting... Have them put in some real work instead of being "too busy" as I've heard so many times when asking for help.

I listen in on the linden and users debate on definations on Adult vs Mature content.
There was told that for exsample 1.a shooting or swodfight kill and a " lill" blod was ok as mature. But 2.a poseballset with 2 making love in publick sim/in a sex room was Adult.

Nr1 are illigal RL and you go to jail RL (LL deff as Mature)
Nr 2. a legal ack RL with love.( LL deff as adult)

I do not understand it,,are we doing deffinations based on LL/USA moral? or the law RL?
I also her samle of some in the debate say" i wil not take my 6 y old to a museum where there are a nude art pick" i guess you are in USA? Here in Europe you find nude statues all over.I can not understand hown Linden Lab can allow a RP sim with fighting and killing as mature but a sim with love poses got to be adult?

And also i am told that SL are a 18+ If you are 18+ then you are allowed to have and se sex! I am confused on all this, its MORAL not law.

The moral are " Kill but dont make love" in a mature sim. And i still dont get it, a 18+ place defined adult/mature eh? what? whats the diff on adult/mature if you are 18+ ????

This is the part of this that simply defies belief. I can even wrap my head around the logic behind not saying anything about these changes on the login screen (although I don't in any way agree with it, and If i was a shareholder, I'd vote to fire any CEO who allowed such exposure to a lawsuit).

But changing things so that *only* the people who absolutely *cannot* deal with a "nudebie" running around bumping people with his "freenis", or a penis-bomb going off and covering the welcome area in flying dicks, are the ones who will be *stuck* with them!

Meanwhile, you could hold a board meeting at a strip club on Ursula, and they on;y disruption would be the occasional gesture-whore!

Absolutely unbelievable! <shakes head as brain shorts out>

-V-

Well, that's certainly your right but, seriously, what's been changed as a result of what residents have said?

Aside from them revising the 'rules' because residents spotted that they were totally insane about 2 minutes after the initial blog post, what's been changed?

http://lindenlab.com/about/culture



and a few other bits and pieces

hot off the press from the latest linden blog post.. the IBM case study..

http://secondlifegrid.net.s3.amazonaws.com/docs/Second_Life_Case_IBM.pdf

and of course for those of you who just can't get enough of the latest marketing push by LL

https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/press/blog/2009/04/22/tune-in-to-see-m-linden-and-second-life-on-the-bbc

edited to add one more link to make the trifecta

http://www.secondlifegrid.net/

ok I lied, I found one more - the list of the big companies in sl..

http://www.secondlifegrid.net/casestudies

Can someone please hand me a brown bag?

I have'nt read through all the pages in this thread. I got a suggestion to ask my question here though. Possibly someone can link me to a relevant page if they have it.

Will there be any possibility of re-rating any of the sims on the mainland after the adult move.
As Mature will be the new PG. And PG will be the new G?

So much like the "What should we do with premium accounts?" that seems to have gone nowhere, when can we expect some sort of definitive (yeah I know) statement as to what the bloody rules will be.

As far as I am concerned PG land is worthless, Mature is heading that way as the sanitization of SL, nay a virtual Talibanization continues. I'm not actually into the so called "extreme", and much like the real world you know where not to go, but it sure would be nice to know whats going on.