Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

New Continent is Ursula.
They will not pick up and move your sim, nor will they help you. This is your problem. This is what they have told the rest of us, and saving you wading thru the mess, let me sum it up for you.

LL has decided. At some future point, they are saying June, you will have to file a ticket stating you are adult content, how much land you own, and that you wish to move. IF they deem you worthy, they will give you further instructions. You get X number of days to own both lots, then LL reclaims your mainland, and your stuck on the new parcel, and revenue lost, time lost ect, is all your problem.

If they deem you not worthy, you have to get your shit cleaned up. cause first time someone files an AR on you for adult things in M rating, you risk losing everything.

Sorry to be the bring you the bad news.. and you can ask, wait for and get pissed when a Linden doesn't respond, or you can feel free to wade thru the 3K+ posts before this and find out i have said nothing but the truth as they have given it to us already.

~Brie

Has anyone thought of emailing LL's PR firm??

[email]secondlifeus@lewispr.com[/email]

It's a public address connected to that incredibly dense and stealth media release about Adult content.

Based on what Blondin has said on here (well, said one way then corrected), you would be rated Mature.

Paging Lord Sullivan......

I'm not too sure why LL is so focused on appealing to Educators. Honestly there are already very viable competitors out there such as ReactionGrid, which is already a completely PG environment and accepting of all ages. In addition the costs are much more minimal. Schools don't usually have a lot of extra cash floating around to spend on side projects. I can't really see why an in world economy would be super important to a school using it as a learning platform, so again... Why is LL trying to attract Educators? This is the same LL that was going to shaft Educators by removing their Education discounts. I'm not sure what happened with that, but I recall that being an issue during the Open Space debacle.

They want to be "Legitimate". They are the Joseph Kennedy of the age.

My guess: they're going to allow true-PG regions to be mirrored onto the Teen Grid. Not actually connecting the two grids, but having the same build duplicated on both exactly, thus solving the "we can't market to everyone" complaint by external companies.

(Yes, educators would need this, because University recruitment targets under-18s.)

Now there's an idea... [/me starts thinking one step to the side about putting out our own press release...or at least, a letter to the editor...]

Hi Brenda

I know about Lord, but he does not sell content on sl and i beleive owns one or two sims only.

Since LL probably pays them a fair amount of money, I think they'd care even less than LL does. Unless LL started paying them to care.

You'd probably gave better luck contacting Visa and asking them if it's ok that LL is going to be blocking adult content based on if people have payment info (and the answer, according to Visa.com, is "no. absolutely not."

Ok thanks hun, i just checked and she owns a clothign store i believe. Not sure whatehr sales are like, but wonderign if they come close to the figures for meor the others i have asked that only get what is posted here and never see a linden.

Dear Lindens,

Thank you so much for the publishing of the new guidelines on the Knowledge Base (https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6010) but I hate to tell you, they are still too vague to know where one stands.

I have two major concerns and several minor ones regarding the new rules and region designations. Let's start with the 1st major one:

I am the Estate Manager for a group of 4 non-mainland sims - on these sims, we allow *non-sexual* toplessness and nudity, for both women and men (including non-erect prim "bits" for men). How does this fall under the new guidelines - adult or mature? Your guidelines state no "Photo-realistic nudity". Does this also apply to realistically drawn skins? (E.g. skins with realistically detailed *drawn* nipples and "kitties"?) If so, then you might as well say nudity is "Adult", and not allowed in Mature areas, since I cannot judge what sort of skins our visitors might choose to wear. And what about prim gentialia attachments? Is it still "Adult" if our sim rules do not allow them to be in an erect state? What about the activities naked avatars are engaged in? If a group of avatars is dancing naked in a field, but not engaging in sexual acts, is *that* "Adult"? Where is the line drawn?

Another concern regarding our sim and it's activities is this: while we allow non-sexual nudity in "public" (nothing in SL is really private anyway, but we define public as anywhere one should not normally expect sexual activity - shops, taverns, the street, the main square, etc.) we do have an underground region equipt with sex-gen beds for those who wish to engage in such activities in "private". Your new guidelines state - "Dance clubs that feature "burlesque" acts can also generally reside in Mature Regions so long as they don't promote sexual conduct such as through pose balls (whether in "backrooms" or more visible spaces)." While our underground private rooms are not a dance club, this would still seem to apply to them in that they "promote sexual conduct such as through pose balls (whether in "backrooms" or more visible spaces)".

We have taken great care to keep all sexual activity out of the eyes of those who might not wish to see it, while still allowing those who wish to engage in it the freedom to do so. But it seems that under your new guidelines, this would brand our sim "Adult", rather than Mature. Why are we being penalised for being *responsible* folk? If I am mistaken, and this does *not* define our sim as "Adult", please explain why it isn't and whether or not as an Estate Manager I will have to worry about fraudulant ARs from the small minority that might be offended anyway. For me, as a manager, that would be a *major* concern, because often, ARs are handled in haste and repaired after the fact. I cannot afford to be banned for "running adult activities in a mature sim", even if it were rectified later. I am part of the law and order in our sim, and need to be availible to maintain that order, as well as all my other duties as a manager.

Which brings us to our sims rental residents. Will they be forced to remove any sex-gen or similar items from their homes because of this "promote sexual conduct such as through pose balls (whether in "backrooms" or more visible spaces)" clause? Will they have to remove nude art (including artistic nude photographs, since these are certainly "photo-realistic"? How far does this "no sex poseballs in public" thing go? We will lose a *lot* of rental residents if they are forced to remove all things of a sexual nature from their homes.

And before you suggest "Well then, just re-zone your sim Adult", I will explain to you why we do not want to do this: We do not consider ourselves an "Adult" sim. We do not want to be re-zoned "Adult", and then have to argue with visitors who come in about not sex-scening in the street or removing erect attachments. We do not want to be ARed because we banned them from our land after they would not comply, having them tell us "This is an Adult region and I can do that here!" Even if the AR was not enforced, it makes more work for us, and we do not have a huge management staff. We also do not want to attract the sorts of visitors an Adult rating *would* attract - not because of their interests/desires/behaviours - but because they will come in assuming we offer entertainments we do not actually allow. This will hurt our reputation in the manner of "false advertising". (EDIT: Resulting in further arguements, ARs, and general ill-will between visitors and management) Not to mention the severe downturn of traffic we will see since only the age verified will be able to enter. (And would also result in banning some of our rental residents from their land, as they are Europeans who are having difficulty verifying.)

These new guidelines were obviously *not* meant to work with people who try hard to maintain a balance on their sims between sexual freedom and orgiastic licentiousness. You seem to have a assumed that if we allow any adult activity, then we are by definition an "Adult" sim, which is not always the case. Please clarify for me how these new rules will affect those of us who allow certain adult behaviours in a *controlled* and private manner. It seems as if these new rules, if implemented as I fear they will be, will end up punishing those of us who are trying to maintain a balance that will please almost everyone.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I think I might have been the token 'little' party at the landowners and for the second half of the definitions brownbags.

But as the little guy I tried to aim my concerns for what those of us smaller players are facing.

here we are, someone who doesn't mind the flashing of the titties and the "kitties" thinks we're unwholesome and doesn't want to be associated with us.

welcome to the new reality..

Mature, according to Blondin:

I never said you were unwholesome. But we see our sim as a *business* catering to all types. We *can't* favour one group over another.

That having been said - I think anyone ought to be able to f***, s***, and charge a buck (so to speak) til their heart's content. But I also believe that the whole neighbourhood doesn't have to see it.

I am a registered SL Service Provider. My largest business venture in SL is one that builds whole-sim and multi-sim projects for clients, ranging from prestigious Ivy League Universities on one extreme, to private multi-sim playgrounds with extensive XXX facilities on the other.

While I *did* get one e-mail inviting me to one of the Brown Bag sessions, the invitation came far too close to the start time of the session for me to schedule time off during my RL work day to attend. I didn't even see the e-mail until after the event was already over, since I don't monitor the SL Dev mailing list 24 x 7. I was *at work* when the e-mail came in, and had no chance to read the e-mail until I got off duty, well after the session had ended.

And even if I HAD attended, their insistance on using Voice meant I wouldn't have been able to hear a single word of their replies.

So technically I was invited. But they made sure I couldn't attend or benefit from attending!

From your description above, the store would be Mature. What kind of language does this store use to advertise?

The way I read your post is that one of the reasons you don't want to be adult is that it will attract the wrong type of crowd.

taking your comments at face value in that first quote, I assume you mean that by labelling adult you'll get all those who have sex on the brain and aren't capable of understanding what kind of sim it is and only want to fuck like rabbits where ever they can (amongst other things).

Nothing will happen to your poseballs.



Those items are not Adult.



Certain words will be filtered so that only verified account will be able to search for them. What kind of language does your store use to advertise?



Cuddle and Kiss poseballs are not considered adult.

I saw the same thing....*smiles*...can only go by whats written.

I amended my original post for clarity - I was really thinking about those that would show up and become angry because they were not getting what they expected to find. Often, that upsets people even more than not being able to do what they want. An Adult rating would *imply* they could engage in Adult activity anywhere on the sim, and that wouldn't be the case. Hence the "false advertising" I mentioned.

While 'In the Pink' may not be suitable for a PG region, there should be no problem with it, or any of your examples being on Mature land.

Okay that is more clear. And I get that. People think they can have something, and when they realize they can't, they get really angry.

Gee...Just like people thinking that Mature meant just that and their land would have value and options that they paid for. Hmm...

I know. And this issue had been raised before. I do apologize for the confusion. I've been making a conscious effort not to call it AO.